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musher0


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 03:01    Post subject:  

Karl Godt wrote:
musher0 wrote:
Hello, Mick and all.
The pupsave-creation bug has decided it was not done with me. (hehe) Rolling Eyes
@Mick: Which blkid version did you use ?
Edit, 14h10, my time:
For the time being, as a work-around, here are a couple of antidotes. Use
one OR the other. BFN.
musher0


Musher, please do not scatter your workarounds everywhere again.

You had said that it was solved because of blkid.

I was able to reproduce your bug slightly by playing with the code :


We need you to run it in urxvt terminal an post the content of /tmp/schoices.txt in [ code ] tags .

Many thanks !


Hi, Karl.

No offense intended, but I spent enough time on this bug already.
Maybe you have too: it's up to you to decide that, of course.

You may recall that I reported this bug a few years ago. I suggested
then a workaround that worked -- perhaps by chance, but nevertheless
it worked.

This bug has been reported occasionally, as far back as mid-2008
(Puppy 4.0), AFAIK.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1067632847&t=30718

This time, with the input of developer Mick and others testers, I was
able to present a summary of 4 workarounds that will enable use of a
pupsave in slacko, pretty much no matter what hardware combination
the user has.

As I understand it with the info provided, this is a rare bug that occurs
occasionally on some older hardware combinations, whatever the Puppy.
And there are workarounds. So the problem has been greatly reduced,
IMO, almost to the point of being simply an annoyance.

From a project management point of view, it would make sense that
talent be better applied to a more common problem.

Again, no offense intended. But there are times when one has to accept
that being obstinate simply yields no results. That's where I'm at.

Respectfully,

musher0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS. Don't worry, I won't spread the workarounds further! Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 09:19    Post subject:  

go on and keep harping on petty quirks that need fixing. upload those bad boys code fixes to wolfce and let the rest of us cboose to include them. One great benefit of open woofce is some of this tiny pet peeves can finally be fixed. Mine are the multisession bug AND mouse freeze on non racy or wary builds.
do not let the rising dictators of the code base force you into silence. Im fighting this mindset from the get-go. And be rude, they are! how dare they force their will on a open source project!!!
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 14:24    Post subject:  

There is a kernel module driver named alx.ko. It is for Atheros AL8162 Fast Ethernet. The ethernet port doesn't work without it. I need it, but more important I think it is becoming "popular." As I recall Ubuntu left it out of maybe 12.10 (not sure which version) and heard a lot about it.

On the lighter side: I found out this morning that the warning about putting a pupsave on an ntfs disk should be taken seriously Embarassed And, oh yeah, the ntfs disk is an SSD which should not be defragmented. As 01micko has said, I am also struggling with how to run Puppy on new laptops and Windows 8 computers. When Windows 7 boots in 15 seconds (!) everything else seems quite slow. A fast usb 3 flash drive would be a solution, but evidently many computers won't boot reliably from usb 3 (including mine). Resizing the existing hard drive caused Windows copy protection to go off. My solution will likely be to replace the dvd drive with a second ssd but I know that is not really feasible in most cases.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 14:30    Post subject: pae?Fixed  

I'm new at testing puppy and virtualization (I installed VB yesterday and still learning how it works).

I get to the intro screen but then it says my CPU doesn't have pae installed. Does this mean (a) I need to check off some kind of compatibility in VB or (b) that I need a delta? (I don't even know how the deltas work so, keep in mind, kind of new at this. Never tested an Alpha Puppy before.)

Or should I wait till I have another flash card handy?

EDIT: I found the PAE option in VB, sorry., trying to get it to work
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 17:10    Post subject:  

SFR wrote:
Just for the record: it turned out that the case of "always max quality" is strictly connected to rtl8192se/rtlwifi driver (my Toshiba's wireless card).

Got ya! Twisted Evil

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg114353.html

I _knew_ the problem was with this specific file, but had no idea what to do with it!

@Mick: I'd be grateful if the patched version would be included in the next version. Smile

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Greetings!
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 17:23    Post subject:  

@playdayz

ALX is already in my kernel config for the next, I will have to have a look at your video driver issue.

@SFR

I see it is only a very small patch so I'll check the change log for the next kernel and see if it is fixed or else apply the patch.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 17:28    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
@SFR

I see it is only a very small patch so I'll check the change log for the next kernel and see if it is fixed or else apply the patch.

Ok, thanks!
BTW, I just noticed that there are two more patches, also for rtl8192cu and rtl8192de.

Greetings!

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 17:31    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
There is a kernel module driver named alx.ko. It is for Atheros AL8162 Fast Ethernet. The ethernet port doesn't work without it. I need it, but more important I think it is becoming "popular." As I recall Ubuntu left it out of maybe 12.10 (not sure which version) and heard a lot about it.

On the lighter side: I found out this morning that the warning about putting a pupsave on an ntfs disk should be taken seriously Embarassed And, oh yeah, the ntfs disk is an SSD which should not be defragmented. As 01micko has said, I am also struggling with how to run Puppy on new laptops and Windows 8 computers. When Windows 7 boots in 15 seconds (!) everything else seems quite slow. A fast usb 3 flash drive would be a solution, but evidently many computers won't boot reliably from usb 3 (including mine). Resizing the existing hard drive caused Windows copy protection to go off. My solution will likely be to replace the dvd drive with a second ssd but I know that is not really feasible in most cases.


I notice the boot issues with usb3 as well. Tried a external bluray with Usb3 and it was very unreliable. something about the power not being on at port early in the boot process. Also, im working on different methods for flash and win8 boot. Seems like it would be possible to not have a boot record needed if the flashdrive was preformated fat32 if the efi. boot file is in the root directory of vfat. Will be testing that idea later.
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oldyeller


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 19:23    Post subject:  

Hi Mick,

Video-Info 1.5.1 - Fri 29 Nov 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.6.3 - Linux 3.10.19 i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Everything is working ok on this Dell D430

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 21:38    Post subject: Slacko testing (for 5.7)  

Manual frugal install to a 32gb MicroSD card, computer is an AAO
721-3801 netbook.
video-info-glx 1.5.1 Fri 29 Nov 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.6.3 Linux 3.10.19 i686
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS880M 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1024x600 pixels (270x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4

AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo K125 Processor
Core 0: @1700 MHz

Memory 1812MB (113MB used)
Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)

I tried to compile the proprietary driver for the graphics card but it
failed, couldn't view the log because I had to hold the power button
down to turn of the computer and the log file was not created/lost.

I think the proprietary driver would make this netbook run a little
cooler.

That's it so far.

EDIT:
I tried again and managed to get the log file this time by booting
into precise retro and loading the slacko savefile, then copied the
log from /usr/share/ati
The slacko savefile is euchred so I had to restore the backup save
file.
While in precise which is using the fglrx driver I took a screenshot
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 00:18    Post subject:  

Pretty normal temperature. For Netbooks.
Atom cores run 55-60°C at the moment in cold northern hemi November .
Summer 65-70°C is normal for me .

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 01:19    Post subject:  

Removed 1 Gb of ram from this old box and then upgraded from 5.6.1 to 5.6.3. Other than the expected icon fun there were no real problems. Looking pretty solid.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 5.6.3

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse record

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
378 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.393 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.169 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.143 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.141 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.147 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.141 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1544MB (312MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Slacko Puppy - 5.6.3
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 29 Nov 2013 11:32:49 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 04:21    Post subject:  

@Karl_Godt:
Following your advice, I have gathered all solutions and comments on the
pupsave-creation bug in its own thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90417&sort=lastpost

Hopefully, this will improve the focus of both threads.

Best regards.

musher0

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 04:39    Post subject:  

Ted Dog wrote:
go on and keep harping on petty quirks that need fixing. upload those bad boys code fixes to wolfce and let the rest of us cboose to include them. One great benefit of open woofce is some of this tiny pet peeves can finally be fixed. Mine are the multisession bug AND mouse freeze on non racy or wary builds.
do not let the rising dictators of the code base force you into silence. Im fighting this mindset from the get-go. And be rude, they are! how dare they force their will on a open source project!!!
Twisted Evil


Hello, TedDog.

English is not my mother-tongue. I'm relatively at ease with "official"
English, but I easily get lost in "colloquial" English. So I'm not sure who
you are mocking: me, perhaps? Shocked Smile

I'll only add that, rare as it may appear to be, failure to create the 2nd
most important file in a Puppy system is hardly a "tiny problem" for the
user. It prevents him/her to use that Puppy in any meaningful way.

Best regards.

musher0

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 05:58    Post subject:  

Let it be known musher0, that slacko-5.7 will NOT be released with that bug.

Karl is working on it, me too when I get the time. I don't think Ted Dog meant anything too serious, possibly aimed as much at me (& company) as you.. Laughing

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