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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 00:27    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Maybe the 'foreign' portion of the PPM could be nothing more than an sfs - so that it allows the foreign package to be run in a nondestructive way, then discarded at next boot if unsuccessful. Sort of like a "static_package_on_the_fly"
Things other than sfs and {2,3,4}fs files can be unioned. For instance you could install all Debian Wheezy packages to /mnt/sda1/wheezy and union it to / ... likewise for any variant of any distro.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 04:03    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
For instance you could install all Debian Wheezy packages to /mnt/sda1/wheezy and union it to / ... likewise for any variant of any distro.
If that process was used - how easy would it be to "un-union" or unload or disconnect those packages if they started to show an undesirable effect and the user wanted to get rid of them? I was thinking that an sfs was easier to disconnect (unload) but is an sfs really no different to the unioning you have described?
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 04:13    Post subject:  

An SFS is a file system image. You can make a file system image using any file system you like. Any of them can be used any of the ways normal file systems are used -including adding them to a union mount -either as read-only or as read-write if the file system permits that(SFS, cramfs, and cromfs do not).
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 13:28    Post subject:  

amigo wrote:
An SFS is a file system image. You can make a file system image using any file system you like. Any of them can be used any of the ways normal file systems are used -including adding them to a union mount -either as read-only or as read-write if the file system permits that(SFS, cramfs, and cromfs do not).


For file systems that are read only, having a writable layer above them makes it look to the user like a write can be done. Making a utility that can make a new SFS from the old with the changes can be added as a "rebootish" option so that the user can do it on demand.
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 04:21    Post subject:  

I want everyone to understand that I am NOT a Linux distro/application developer. But, over the years, I have heard and understand rationales presented for compressed filesystems as well as use of SFSs as well as unioning and other ideas and implementations.

One of the things that is constantly thrown onto the table is the notion of install packages "trashing" a running system.

Here's my problem
Excepting for the often times when a newer distro is released and where a user tries to use/install the new distro to the PC using the old distro's older save-file(s), I have not witnessed any general user complaints of installing package(s) that locks or crashes their Puppy distro system.

Questions
  • Even though its a conceivable occurrence, are package installation crashes happening?
  • And if so, at what scale?
  • Does the current package system really need a re-architecture?
  • Should or will any new approach be simple for new and experienced users to extend PUPPY with subsystems and application should a user desire?
Curious

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 13:55    Post subject:  

Sure.
Don't bundle stuff together.
Get dependencies straight.
Package each binary and library separately.
Separate architecture independent resources.
The package manager should warn if an uninstall will affect other packages.

Debian, for one, has strict rules about this.
Puppy, on the other hand has played fast and loose.

Side note: Puppy went about half a decade without a proper uninstaller. It took <10min for me to write one in ~10 lines including reverse dependency checks (I actually wrote it as a 1-liner at first). The current method is bad for multiuser though since installed packages go to /root/.packages/... instead of /var/...

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pp4mnklinux

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Dec 2015, 05:39    Post subject:  I'm interested  

Hello everybody at the community:

I'm interested in being a supporter or tester or puppy linux CE

I'm spaniard, so I can help with some translations

Feel free to mail / post me

HAVE A NICE DAY U ALL

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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Dec 2015, 02:51    Post subject:  

Hello pp4mnklinux.

Thanks for the offer, but for all intents and purposes, this Community
Edition of Puppy -- although quite good at the time -- has faded away. If
you look at the first post of this thread, you will see that it was started in
the Fall of 2013. Time runs fast in our Puppy environment.

I'm not discouraging you, quite the contrary. Perhaps browse around the
forum some more and find an active / recent Puppy you'd like to test
out / improve / translate.

Of course, "iguleder" and the members of the woof-CE team are always
looking for "personnel", Puppy-testers as well as Puppy-makers.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101174
But be fore-warned: woof-CE is a tall order. The woof-CE github project is
where the new Puppies are being crafted, so, to contribute / collaborate,
you have to know your Linux and your Puppy through and through.

On the other hand, you may have noticed that the forum has a Spanish
section. I believe that a good forum member to contact about its needs
would be "nilsonmorales". He's pretty much abreast of what's going on
with Spanish and Latino Puppies. (E.g. the "pupjibaro" series, but there
are others. In general, these Puppies rock, and in particular their graphic
aspect is always remarkable!)

Welcome to the kennels, my friend, and good luck! Smile

Bye for now.

musher0

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Dec 2015, 12:24    Post subject:  

Hello @pp4mnklinux. In addition to what @Musher0 shares, you would, also, want to get in touch with @L18L. Send him a PM or post him here with your desire to contribute your language skills. Expect to receive advice and/or instructions.
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