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#31 Post by wanderer »

Hey guys

here is what i intend to do this weekend
i will download woof
and try to build an iso
from debian stable
i will try to make it as small and as simple as possible
only the core x jwm xrvt rox geanny
maybe dhcp
and the downloader for debs (i dont know how that works)

we will see how this goes
any advice or thoughts ?

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#32 Post by Iguleder »

By the way - I'm working on a tiny Puppy with musl, lazy-utils, loksh, Xfbdev and cwm. I'm curently trying to port tinyxserver to x86_64 - if this port works, we can use this tiny thing as a base - it's similar to pupngo, but modern, fully automated and 64 bit.

I think we mustn't give up the alternative to Woof, full independence, in case the community release model fails.
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#33 Post by wanderer »

here is my plan

1. build a core of woof debian --- command line only (busybox ash)
2. build an basic x image --- x jwm rxvt
3. build an basic apps image --- rox leafpad
4. build internet access image --- dhcpd
5. build additional apps image --- firefox mplayer
6. build (whatever else we want) image

loopfile symlink these images together to form a working distro
they can be compressed SFS or uncompressed ext2 image

we shall see if this can be done with woof
and if i can do it

any thoughts ?

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#34 Post by bark_bark_bark »

Why Debian?

Slackware is a much more suitable base.
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#35 Post by wanderer »

sounds great
but a 32 bit will run on everything
both 32 and 64
is there a 32 bit version

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#36 Post by bark_bark_bark »

I think if one was to come out it should be 32bit. Some apps (even with multilib) don't work at all on 64bit. And many of us here are to poor to have 64bit hardware.
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#37 Post by wanderer »

i think the debian ubuntu mint crowd
has more overall support

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#38 Post by Iguleder »

If the buildings procedure is automatic, the 32/64 bit question is irrelevant ;)
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#39 Post by bark_bark_bark »

yes but they can't help us. Slackware is much more stable and faster than debian/ubuntu/mint. If you want a TRUELY stable distro, Slackware is the ONLY way to go.
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#40 Post by wanderer »

i really like the pupngo idea
of statically linking the applications in the core

and i also like the idea of putting all the dependencies
of an application
in an sfs or uncompressed image file
and loopfile symlinking it

so that each part is independent

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#41 Post by wanderer »

the community puppy cant fail
if we just keep working on it
it will continue to evolve
and it helps bring the puppy community together

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#42 Post by mavrothal »

bark_bark_bark wrote:yes but they can't help us. Slackware is much more stable and faster than debian/ubuntu/mint. If you want a TRUELY stable distro, Slackware is the ONLY way to go.
There are already both 32 and 64 bit slackware based puppies and as far as I know both Micko and Q5sys intent to go on with them.
Regarding stability, Debian-stable is stable to the point that is boring! You have to go to enterprise solution (RedHat) to find something more stable.
Actually Debian-testing may be better and a bit exciting too :wink:
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#43 Post by 01micko »

mavrothal wrote:Debian-stable is stable to the point that is boring! You have to go to enterprise solution (RedHat) to find something more stable.
Actually Debian-testing might be a bit exciting too :wink:
:lol:

Probably a good choice though, especially since BK did a lot of work on PPM for debian compatibility.
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#44 Post by Iguleder »

Guys, we're starting a distro war. Gotta settle on one distro or go solo :lol:

I think Debian stable and Slackware are the best options, because it's extremely hard to follow testing with Woof. I've built puplets from stable, testing and sid - it's amazingly complex to keep up with sid and testing seems to break on a monthly basis before the freeze :)
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#45 Post by jamesbond »

gcmartin wrote:@JamesBond suggests that we find ways to raise money for the idea and strategies for Puppy LInux. And to use that money to disperse to those individuals who actually work on the package(s).
No, I'm not making a suggestion. I'm asking you to do it.
But, If he wants, I will help him do so. I'll assist anyone who has some ideas of how to advance this distro. And, new approaches to make it attractive to bring others on-board and advance Puppy Linux is just what is needed.
No, I don't need or want help because I'm not going to do anything. I am asking *you* (gcmartin, not anyone else) to take the lead and *do* it. In case it's not clear, I am asking *you* to organise the fundraising. Me, I will just watch from the side and give comments :lol:

Are *you* willing to do it? Is Puppy worth enough of your time to spend on fundraising efforts?
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#46 Post by wanderer »

i am going to try to build an iso
with woof debian
this makes the most sense to me at this time
if things change
we can also make changes

hopefully i will be able to do this
i will start actually downloading things tomorrow
and will work over the weekend
i will report back to the forum
on my progress

i'm sure i will need a lot of help
so any help or any kind of input is appreciated

remember our goal
is just to work on a new puppy together
as a community
so that everyone will have an opportunity to participate
the fact that you are reading this forum
means our goal is being accomplished

thanks to everyone
and i'm sure i will be begging for help soon

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#47 Post by mavrothal »

Iguleder wrote:Guys, we're starting a distro war.
I do not see any war. I believe we settled on Debian-stable (we do not need any excitement now :D )

On a different but related note. I can see that Playdayz is arround these days... :wink:
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#48 Post by gcmartin »

jamesbond wrote:... Are *you* willing to do it? Is Puppy worth enough of your time to spend on fundraising efforts?
???

Maybe you miss-understood. I already agreed to help with your suggestion. :lol: In fact, I think it's a good idea.

Thoughts.

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#49 Post by mavrothal »

gcmartin wrote:
jamesbond wrote:... Are *you* willing to do it? Is Puppy worth enough of your time to spend on fundraising efforts?
???

Maybe you miss-understood. I already agreed to help with your suggestion. :lol:
gcmartin,
3000 post of no code or debug contributions but plenty of ideas on how Puppy should develop, suggest that you can really mount a campaign.
Put this ability into good use to produce a tangible beneficial outcome for Puppy yourself.
I think that $100,000 is probably too high of a goal but even $10,000 can go a long way in puppy development.
So, as you suggest in your signature "Get ACTIVE"
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#50 Post by zigbert »

Debian or Slackware - who cares?
The one who leads the project will decide.

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