Vincent Van Pup 3992

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musher0 · #91 Post by **musher0** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 14:54

LazY Puppy wrote:I think, big packages like office suites and/or applications like browsers that are seem to be updated every few weeks should come as sfs or as portable RoxApp by default and NOT being installed into a Puppy or a derivative.

But that's only my humble opinion...

On the other hand, Libre Office contains Draw, a paint and drawing program.

(Un)fortunately, you cannot cut LibreOffice or OpenOffice into just the portions you want.
You have to take the whole lot -- or leave the whole lot.
I'm pretty sure this can be done - it just needs one to do so.

Though I'm not sure if this will return a small Libre Draw only package (small in size).

Well, ASRI "isolated" the OO "writer", but the entire package lost only +/- 20Mgs.
Not worth it, IMO.

Presenting LO or OO as a separate sfs -- instead of integrated to the puplet -- may
be a good idea. Just to stop damned pelo from grumbling it is a good idea!

Anybody selling ear-muffs around here?

LazY Puppy · #92 Post by **LazY Puppy** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 14:56

Well, ASRI "isolated" the OO "writer", but the entire package lost only +/- 20Mgs.
Not worth it, IMO.

True!

musher0 · #93 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:20

Hello Lazy_Puppy, starhawk and all.

I got starhawk's VincentVanPup out of the moth balls and set it up again.

Since I am not a graphic artist myself, I hadn't paid much attention to it the first time
I used it. IIRC, I had found the backdrop a bit childish. (But hey!, at my age, who
am I to judge!)

On second install, this looks like a very fine derivative -- with a solid base, pemasu's
raringPup-3.9.9.2..

Using my "qc.sh" script at Startup, I could access the French accents without any
problem. Also it connected fine to the Internet; I'm writing this post from it now.

We may criticize the inclusion of the whole LibreOffice suite, but artists need to write
letters to agents and for promotional purposes (LO writer), maintain records of who
they sell their artwork to (LO base), keep a personal checkbook and have a
business budget (LO calc) -- like any free-lancer. I think it's justified to have a good
office suite even in a specialist Puppy.

IF we needed to gain space in this puplet, I would rather suggest that one of the two
big browsers (Chrome or SeaMonkey) be removed. But probably starhawk had his
reasons.

Included is my take on the icon placement on the background, plus proof of accented
characters utilization.

As I said, I'm not a graphic artist, but judging from the general allure of this puplet
and the wide range of graphic tools available, I'd say:

"Hats off, well done, starhawk!"

BFN.

starhawk · #94 Post by **starhawk** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:50

Thank you for the compliment, musher! I needed a smile today...

musher0 · #95 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:56

Hi.

You can find many of Vincent van Gogh's paintings as wallpapers if you invest
a minimum of effort, through ask.com or any major search engine:

http://www.ask.com/web?q=computer+wallp ... archTopBox

Or here, among many other places:
http://www.artwallpapers.biz/Vincent-Va ... Wallpapers

BFN.

Pelo · #96 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 01:34

"Included in this Puplet are a whole pile of applications for creating digital artwork. Wine is in there, which means that if you want to add Adobe's Creative Suite or Photoshop or CorelDRAW or whatever, you're able to do that, right out of the box. I've also stuffed in The GIMP, in case Photoshop's outside your budget Wink and Xara Xtreme should substitute adequately for CorelDRAW, for those who like vector illustrations (SVG type stuff, anyone?). There's also MyPaint, which appears to be a very powerful application for digital painting -- I'm pretty sure that, given the right drivers and such, you could use it with (for example) a Wacom Tablet, and do some VERY nifty things. It can also be used with a mouse, of course... these are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg; Vinnie's got a TON of stuff! " who could disagree whit that ?

RSH opinion reinforce mine. I would have liked some people Appreciate graphics applications available in Van pup.
Libre Office has his own topics. Not only one. Artists only have two artwork puppies with old kernel.
Sure they can load L.O SFS on the fly, When Van gogh needed money, no need to write to his brother to loan some florins.
But their first ennoying bug is that they cannot paint pure colors !
They should post in business forum, because the will never sell anything.

GNU Cash perhaps should be added.

What about getting pure colors with MyPaint, because they look as having washed in a washing machine, The red is an old Pink, never red will allow painting roofs. Because you cannot apply pressure to the brush !
The subject has got wrong way when starhawk decided not wishing post on his topic... If Musher0 agrees on taking the leadership, well, it's a salvation.Argolance would be Jesus Christ, if he could appear in the show.

musher0 · #97 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 01:58

Hi pelo.

I would suspect the cause of pale colors is rather a low-quality monitor, or your monitor
settings, or the angle you are looking at it. Not MyPaint. Colors on a so-so LRT do not
have the depth that they had on the old CRTs. (In my experience.)

Have you tried the other paint tools included in VVP? Do you get better colors? Don't
expect crisp and resplendent colors on the monitor of a portable, IMO.

As I said, I'm not an artist, so I have very limited experience with paint programs. My son
is a professional graphic designer, and he's using the best-quality monitor he could find
with his desktop.

Hopefully other members will ring in on that. Argolance certainly could provide a valid
perspective, he's a professional artist. Invite him to join the discussion on this thread?

Or perhaps dejan555? I believe he's a professional photographer? He showed us some
of his work a few years ago. I am sure there are other Puppyists here with interesting
experience in art, but we don't know them as such.

I can probably provide an approximate, half-valid hint now and then, but art is NOT my
field of expertise. If starhawk has other projects, then maybe a real artist could become
the maintainer of this puplet. Certainly not me.

BFN.

Pelo · #98 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:09

That can be discussed here. Perhaps i use badly available tools. The topic should be about these subjects.. Nice Musher0 that you guide it on the rails.
I want to underline that VanPup is the only Puppy running MyPaint correctly nowadays.. Others install it. But it does not work.
Personnal info : there was a carnival in my town. The (quite professional) photographer takes more than 1000 pictures. I have reworked most of them for publishing on the Facebook site of The town (yes, in France, administrators use Facebook to inform their electors, 95% of them, perhaps the 5% are linux users))

greengeek · #99 Post by **greengeek** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:49

Hi Pelo - did my remastered version give any improvement to the qc keyboard bug?

Pelo · #100 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:56

Greengeek, not yet. I will do it ASAP (yesterday i was dealing with audio (transfering to my computer old tapes in mp3, nice subject using Puppy Linux, successfully).
Musher0, Argolance was an artist a long time ago, Before using a computer ! He was a GoldFinger in his artshop 'the Goldfoot', now he is a GoldPuppy maker

musher0 · #101 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 04:47

greengeek wrote:Hi Pelo - did my remastered version give any improvement to the qc keyboard bug?

Hi greengeek.

Please forgive me for the trouble. I just re-edited my qc.sh script. I did a bit of research
and tested a couple of times (pretending I was a Frenchman for a couple of minutes!)

.

This new version of the script should work for French-from-France users who use the
azerty keyboard. (Whereas we French-Canadians use a modified qwerty keyboard.)

Code: Select all

#!/bin/ash
# qc.sh 
# IMPORTANT ###########################
# Objectif : activer le clavier Québec (dit "fr-legacy") ou 
# un autre clavier francophone. /
#
# Goal: properly activate the "fr-legacy" keyboard or other Francophone keyboard.
# (The usual way was too iffy.)
#
# Note to Anglophones: since you don't need this, the script is made such 
# that your keyboard set-up is not altered in any way.
#
# Persons speaking a language other than French or English : you may use the section
# "other_laguages_here" reserved expressly for you.
##########################################################################
# Dérivé d'une astuce de "Médor" sur le forum Puppy francophone vers le temps du 
# premier jet. / Derived from a trick by Médor on the French side of the Puppy forum
# at the time of first writing.
# 
# (c) Christian L'Écuyer (alias musher0 [forum PuppyLinux]), Gatineau (Qc), Canada, 12 mai 2013. 
# Rév. : 26 déc. 2014; 16 janv., 3 févr., 1er mai 2016. 
# LGPL2
#### set -xe
case "${LANG:0:2}" in
	fr)case "${LANG:3:2}" in
		CA)Clav="qc" ;; # Vérifié
		FR)Clav="fr" ;; # Vérifié 
#		CH)Clav= ;;
#		BE)Clav= ;;	
	   esac ;;
#   autres_langues_ici|other_languages_here)
#	pt)case "${LANG:3:2}" in
#		PT)Clav="?????????" ;;
#		BR)Clav="?????????" ;;
#	esac ;;
#   autres_langues_ici|other_languages_here)
#          ;;
esac

setxkbmap -v 1 "$Clav" &>/dev/null 

# Notes :
# -option compose:ralt (entre la commande et le param. -v )
# Ne pas utiliser. Prévient l'utilisation de AltGr + autre_touche...
#### set +xe

In the previous version, the "fr" keyboard had not been actually activated.

Also, I don't know how to say this... Your effort is greatly appreciated, but you didn't need
to give yourself the trouble to re-master and re-upload the entire iso just for these few
lines... It would've been ok to just copy and paste the script in /root/my-applications/bin,
and then put a symlink of it in /root/Startup.

It will be ok for pelo to copy and paste the above script in /root/my-applications/bin, and
then put a symlink of it in /root/Startup.

I know this may be confusing, so ask any and all questions that you may have!

BFN.

Pelo · #102 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 12:24

One day, somebody had to modify the ISO source (Upup). I really like old Dpup Squeeze (light, nice and full-featured). Upup is replaced even by its most active defenders as Musher0, Augras for tahrpup or Pupjibaro Jessie.
Pemasu would be sad about that.
The end of a dinasty

I will remasterize asap taking account of yours feed-back and tatsing greengeek version.
Spring is a very nice season. This morning i added a dozen of picture to edit in my collection. Weather is bad, People always show country with a nice sun, Not me.

Pelo · #103 Post by **Pelo** » Mon 02 May 2016, 22:28

greengeek, four hours (40Kb/s) is too much, tonight.
Yes keyboard bug was solved in 2013... you are right.. a pet exist. when you search history. To fix the non-US keyboard bug you need to install libX11-1.6.1 from here:- Bruno installed it for success ... Oscar Talks was the provider, the brain of that..
link
çà rame ce soir

musher0 · #104 Post by **musher0** » Tue 03 May 2016, 18:50

THE place to discuss "brush pressure" or similar subjects in MyPaint is obviously:
http://mypaint.org/blog/2015/12/09/community-forums. Not here.

Here, on this thread, we do not discuss art or art techniques; we discuss the distro that
enables you to make art and use art techniques. Hopefully you see the nuance?

Pelo · #105 Post by **Pelo** » Thu 05 May 2016, 17:19

That is true Musher0, you are right. I asked too much detailed information about MyPaint.
For my self defense, it's the only Puppy where MyPint runs and can be used. Topics about MyPaint elsewhere are blocked at the installation step. So nobody knows Mypaint. So i was, ignoring what it was able to do. Starhawk would have known.

musher0 · #106 Post by **musher0** » Thu 05 May 2016, 18:17

I am not talking to you pelo. I am talking in general, at the idea level.

I am stating the fact that here we build distros of the Puppy variety. If you want
specialist advice about a particular application, the logical first step would be to ask in
that application's forum.

The Puppy developer may not be a specialist of any particular app, he may only know
that it's important to include application X or Y in his thematic Puppy.

Pelo · #107 Post by **Pelo** » Sat 07 May 2016, 03:27

there is still a huge distance between users and puppy builders.
Puppy builder provides the restaurant, users search the food...
The main, the food,both the puppy buider and the user ignore how to do it...
Go to Ubuntu Forum to get information about My-paint.. Here in the forum, you will find only how to install, or why install fails.
Ubuntu chapter 4 :
"Utilisation
Lancez l'application depuis le menu Applications → Graphisme → MyPaint ou via la commande suivante :
....[/i]
English version is available in Ubuntu description.
For Music lovers, all is explained, excepted what to listen to.. When Musher0 provides Jajuk, he uses it.

greengeek · #108 Post by **greengeek** » Sat 07 May 2016, 04:55

Pelo wrote:That was the first reason i Posted on this topic, to help solving and releasing a new ISO (Without Libre Office... )

Hi Pelo, I hope that my latest reconstruction of vincentvanpup will offer you what you were looking for. Here are three versions to choose from:

1) This version of vincent has the non-US keyboard ("qc") bug fixed and also has all LibreOffice functions removed:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/74obu ... .9.9.2.iso
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4zbv5 ... so.md5.txt

(447MB download)

2) This version has the non-US keyboard ("qc") bug fixed and keeps the Libreoffice "Draw" and "Impress" programs but the other Libre programs like Word Processor, Calc and Base are removed:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/9i9dn ... .9.9.2.iso
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4cp2l ... so.md5.txt

(634MB download)

3) This version has the non-US keyboard ("qc") bug fixed and retains all of the Libreoffice programs:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jg280 ... c-3992.iso
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8q5xx ... so.md5.txt

Please let me know if you find any issues that need fixing.
cheers!
.

musher0 · #109 Post by **musher0** » Sat 07 May 2016, 06:41

Thanks greengeek.
Downloading your "no-Libre" variant now.
Will get back to you. BFN

musher0 · #110 Post by **musher0** » Sat 07 May 2016, 09:53

Good job, greengeek! Works fine!
I can even hook up my OpenOffice sfs to it with sfs_load if I want to.

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Vincent Van Pup 3992

you cannot apply pressure to the brush !

Nice Musher0 that you guide this topic on the rails.

Greengeek, not yet. I will do it ASAP

The end of a dinasty

Yes keyboard bug was solved in 2013.

That is true Musher0, you are right.

Re: That is true Musher0, you are right.

Go to Ubuntu Forum to get information about My-paint

Re: Yes, greengeek, if i forget, send me a PM.