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peebee


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun 2014, 02:39    Post_subject:  

Jejy69 wrote:
But why did not you change the name to avoid conflicts ?

Hi Jejy69

I liked the name Wink and I considered my versions to be direct "descendents" of your trailblazing LxPup13.01.

I chose month of release naming - so there was no confusion whilst we were in 2013 with 13.10 and 13.11 versions - but then 2014 arrived and 14.02 and 14.03 versions were released - and because you had created your LxPup14 version with more radical departures from traditional Puppy (different pm), this is where some confusion crept in.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jul 2014, 17:12    Post_subject: New version 14.07 for testing  

I've uploaded a 14.07 version of LxPup for testing:

LxPup-14.07-s-nopae.iso

It's based on Slacko6Beta2 (Slacko5.9.3) so is based on Slackware 14.1 components and has kernel 3.4.94 no-pae. (thanks to 01micko)

pcmanfm (and libfm) have been updated to latest version 1.2.1

pup-volume-monitor has been patched to work with the new savefolders (thanks to gyro)

gvfs and menu-cache have also been updated.

I've included the Broadcom wl 223.141 driver and also updated libblkid.so for f2fs partitions (thanks to SFR)

Main changes you will notice are in addition to Slacko6 changes: the trash can on the desktop; partitions no longer display twice in pcmanfm when mounted; sfs/iso/2fs etc. mounting changed

On the last, feedback is requested - there are 3 possibilities as to how sfs/iso/2fs etc. files could be displayed when clicked - in a new pcmanfm window; in a new pcmanfm tab; in a rox window - I've implemented the 1st (a new window) but welcome feedback on whether this is the best option.

LxPup14.07 won't go to release until Slacko6 goes to release so may be 14.08 on release.....or 14.09....or....

I may also update some more components to Slackware14.1 standard before release.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jul 2014, 23:03    Post_subject: Re: New version 14.07 for testing  

peebee wrote:
I've uploaded a 14.07 version of LxPup for testing:

LxPup-14.07-s-nopae.iso

It's based on Slacko6Beta2 (Slacko5.9.3) so is based on Slackware 14.1 components and has kernel 3.4.94 no-pae. (thanks to 01micko)

pcmanfm (and libfm) have been updated to latest version 1.2.1

pup-volume-monitor has been patched to work with the new savefolders (thanks to gyro)

gvfs and menu-cache have also been updated.

I've included the Broadcom wl driver and also updated libblkid.so for f2fs partitions (thanks to SFR)

Main changes you will notice are in addition to Slacko6 changes: the trash can on the desktop; partitions no longer display twice in pcmanfm when mounted; sfs/iso/2fs etc. mounting changed

On the last, feedback is requested - there are 3 possibilities as to how sfs/iso/2fs etc. files could be displayed when clicked - in a new pcmanfm window; in a new pcmanfm tab; in a rox window - I've implemented the 1st (a new window) but welcome feedback on whether this is the best option.

LxPup14.07 won't go to release until Slacko6 goes to release so may be 14.08 on release.....or 14.09....or....

I may also update some more components to Slackware14.1 standard before release.

Cheers
peebee


All good here on the Pentium M ipw2200 laptop. Pristine frugal install, Set up new savefile then added in my customizations. Panel now comes up without a mouseclick on boot on the Pentium M 1.6GHz, more what people are used to. Changed to my usual themes and wallpaper ok. Installed rightclicks pet using Menu>Desktop>Change Appearance>Options. Connection using Frisbee fine OOTB. I'll play with the drop wait time later. It's pretty kernel dependent. Set at 15 secs for now. Sound fine OOTB. Added .desktops for my external browsers etc. Simplegtkradio works well. Laptop lid suspend works OOTB.

I strongly favor opening a new pcmanfm window for sfs/iso/2fs display (option 1).

Not much else to say except..

Thanks Exclamation

Edit: Just slipped a couple of items into a savefile (another pup in the Grub4Dos kennel) for testing. Really like the new 2fs opening scheme. Makes it much easier to remember what I'm juggling Confused

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jul 2014, 13:55    Post_subject: Kernel change easy peasy  

Wow - that was easy!!

Just changed the LxPup14.07 kernel to k3.14.11-pae as described by 666philb over in the tahrpup thread - see http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=788482#788482

All you do is download the kernel pack, unpack it, rename the zdrv to be lxpup14.07 compatible and then replace vmlinuz and zdrv - frugal install of course....and reboot

The only problem I foresee is obtaining a compatible devx.sfs for the new kernel - do I use the tahrpup devx in LxPup I wonder hmmmmm....will have to try compiling the new Broadcom 223.248 driver.....yep, that worked

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jul 2014, 17:44    Post_subject: Kernel change... Wow  

Posting from Lxpup 14.07 with kernel 3.15.4 swapped in per above. Indeed easy peasy Exclamation The 3.15.4 kernel is a PAE kernel but compiled with the patches required to allow booting from the 'PAE but non-PAE flag' Banias Pentium Ms. Of interest to old Pentium farts Confused Screenshot attached as proof of pudding. I'm particularly interested in how this pup/kernel handles lid suspend under acpid.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jul 2014, 14:47    Post_subject: Re: LXQT version  

cicerosc wrote:
Peebee are you working on an LXQT version? Any hope of that?


First attempt at LxQtPup.....

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2014, 17:36    Post_subject: LxPup14.03 vs 13.01
Sub_title: Performance difference
 

Hi PeeBee,

I'm currently running LxPup14.03 (along with Quirky Tahr) off some cheap flash usb on my v low clockspeed ASUS EeePc 701 4G (but with 2G RAM).

My intention was to copy my install onto a quicker flashdrive I have once I was happy with it. This quicker flashdrive currently has LxPup 13.01 on it, which has served me very well (good performance, and LXDE can be set up well for my 7" lo-res screen), although I'm aware is no longer being maintained.

I'd always assumed that LxPup14.03 would run more quickly on my quicker flashdrive. However to test this, last night I copied my old LxPup13.01 instal onto a cheap flash drive, exactly comparable to my 14.03 setup.
13.01 starts up quite a bit faster, and is generally a lot less sluggish in operation...

It makes me think that LxPup has plenty of potential for my speed challenged hardware. However I'm wondering - is this general performance difference due to:
1) Different versions of LXDE components (LxPanelX instead of LxPanel, etc), or
2) The way 13.01 appears to have integrated LXDE from the 'ground up', rather than as an addition to standard Puppy... ?

Any thoughts?

In general I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with LxPup14.xx, or whether it's overhead is too much for my hardware, & I should perhaps just go with Slacko & just add PCManFM to it....

Don't get me wrong - I greatly appreciate your work on LxPup - and would love to continue with it...

cheers,

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 02:58    Post_subject: Re: LxPup14.03 vs 13.01
Sub_title: Performance difference
 

Chris_W wrote:
Any thoughts?

In general I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with LxPup14.xx, or whether it's overhead is too much for my hardware,
cheers,

Chris_W


Hi Chris_W

Not many thoughts I'm afraid....AFAIK there isn't much difference in the way that LxPup14.03 is constructed compared to the "original" LxPup13.01 - other than obviously its a different Slacko base and a different kernel.

Perhaps you could run top in a terminal on both your systems and see if you can detect which process is consuming more cpu power? Although I'm not sure what we would then do with the result other than say "thats where its going"....

You may have to stick with the version that works best on your hardware.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 03:47    Post_subject: Performance of one LxPup version versus its predecessor  

An idea for comparison of distros in the same family.

Boot each Frugal version on same USB via
Code:
puppy pfix=ram
Once on desktop, complete FirstRUN then open a terminal to run
Code:
# free > SystemReport-LxPup13or14.txt
# hardinfo -r >> SystemReport-LxPup13or14.txt
Save each System Report to some permanent media.

There will be a performance report at the end of each report you saved from each LxPup version you did this on.

You can compare the performance numbers by comparing each report. This will tell if there is ANY internal system performance differences and may hint to which subsystem to focus should you discover any real differences.

Hope this helps to take the guesswork or perception out.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2014, 06:27    Post_subject:  

PeeBee, GCMartin,

Thanks for the thoughtful responses! - and quick - much appreciated Surprised)
I'll have a bit of a think - if running any tests as GCMartin suggests shows up anything that seems useful I'll report it back here. Otherwise, it might just be sticking with 13.01 as you suggest PeeBee.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug 2014, 04:49    Post_subject: 14.07s  

Quick check 14.07

Write ISO to USB stick using universal installer (Pendrive).

EeePC1001HA: everything works OOTB. Great.

DELL E6430 (Intel i5): cannot find SFS file during boot. Dropping out. Any idea ?

This is the same USB stick. The SFS fie is there.... Maybe a timing issue ?
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug 2014, 11:24    Post_subject: Re: 14.07s  

Volhout wrote:
Quick check 14.07

Write ISO to USB stick using universal installer (Pendrive).

EeePC1001HA: everything works OOTB. Great.

DELL E6430 (Intel i5): cannot find SFS file during boot. Dropping out. Any idea ?

This is the same USB stick. The SFS fie is there.... Maybe a timing issue ?


Hi Volhout

14.07 (beta) is based on Slacko5.9.3 (Slacko6Beta2)

There have been lots of discussion about sfs handling on the Slacko6 thread.

You could wait until Mick issues his next version of Slacko6 and see if the problem remains - or you could try Slacko5.9.3 now on your usb stick and see if it exhibits the same problems as 14.07

There is also a version of Slacko5.9.3 (5.9.3.8 I think) by Shinobar with different SFS handling....

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Aug 2014, 02:38    Post_subject: SFS handling  

OK PeeBee,

Will wait for Slacko 6 release. I will try 5.9.3.8 and report in Mick's thread.

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2014, 11:56    Post_subject: 4 beta versions to try and test  

A quartet of new LxPups to try (all pre-release).....

LxPup-14.08.01-s-nopae.iso based on Slacko5.9.3 with nopae k3.4.94

CompizPup-14.08.01-s6-nopae.iso LxPup14.08 with added Compiz

and then with LXQT instead of LXDE:

LxQtPup-14.08.0-s-nopae.iso also based on Slacko5.9.3

To check sizes and md5 checksums visit:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/

See this post for LxPupTahr 14.09

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug 2014, 15:28    Post_subject: What are changes from 14.07 to 14.08  

Hi peebee

Quote:
LxPupTahr-14.08.0.iso based on TahrPup5.8.3 with pae k3.14.11

What are changes from 14.07 to 14.08?


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