http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php/?page= ... px=MTQ3NjIWhile the Mir Display Server and the Wayland protocol are widely viewed as the next-generation display technologies for Linux systems, there's already been delays with Mir and Wayland hasn't yet been widely adopted. Even if/when Mir and Wayland manage to lift off, the X.Org Server won't suddenly die and will be supported for years to come.
Many are excited about Wayland and Mir, but still these new display systems present new demands on the Linux desktop stack in terms of graphics drivers and acceleration, there's issues with non-Linux operating systems, legacy X applications continue to need to be supported, and there will be enterprise Linux distributions that still need to maintain X support for years
Barry Kauler announces his retirement from Puppy
From Phoronix.....
If you change that much will the result still be Puppy, or just another Debian spin? Then, name Puppy for a final product as one from group of Linux distributions doesn't have connection with what it suppose to do. That is not catchy name like Mint, Ubuntu, Arch or Slackware.tronkel wrote:How about taking a minimalist Debian Server Stable install and using that to master a system that has as many puppy characteristics as are feasible.
I was thinking he sounded rather familiar. *sigh* Hi, simargl
Since you clearly have the sense to figure out what you like and what you don't like -- and having established that Puppy is firmly in the second category -- could you kindly please just leave, so we can all have some peace (you included)...? PLEASE...?
Maybe you and that dude I can't remember the name of, whotsizface who had the falling out with John Murga, could get together and form a Puppy Users Hate Group or something...?
Since you clearly have the sense to figure out what you like and what you don't like -- and having established that Puppy is firmly in the second category -- could you kindly please just leave, so we can all have some peace (you included)...? PLEASE...?
Maybe you and that dude I can't remember the name of, whotsizface who had the falling out with John Murga, could get together and form a Puppy Users Hate Group or something...?
A really quick and dirty Debian w/ JWM and Rox-filer..... screenshot taken w/ MTPaint :And apt-get...... Fresh netinstall.tronkel wrote: How about taking a minimalist Debian Server Stable install and using that to master a system that has as many puppy characteristics as are feasible.
Sure, it wouldn't be a "real" Puppy Linux as such, but it might make a great little platform for up-and-coming developers to hack around with. Only include stuff like JWM, Rox ,MTpaint, Abiword etc.
JWM, Rox-filer and the deps pulled in 86.3 mb.....removed Openbox and Thunar and got back about 12 mb.
EDIT:
Just looking at the screenshot ..... the slimmed down version is occupying 1.7 gb...... I have a pretty stock, fairly fresh Wheezy KDE install on here too and it's 5 gb.
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Pussy Linux by sickgut is a project to create a Puppified Debian
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475
That's a nice screenshot James C. Good proof of concept. I wonder if, for example, .jwmrc configuration file from a recent Puppy could be used in order to make it look more like a classical Puppy with JWM.
On an seemingly unrelated topic, I've just been looking at Quidsup's latest test on Ubuntu-Gnome. He is not all that impressed with the latest Gnome 3.8 desktop. You can see the video on his YouTube channel. He likes Unity a bit more than Gnome though. But this is the point. According to Linus Torvalds,
This is surely a lesson for Puppy. The Puppy desktop has always done a great job of keeping it's interaction with the user to the bare minimum. Debian and Arch do this as well, (climbing up the Distrowatch rankings recently).
To stay ahead of the pack here, even more effort is needed to keep the dog on the lead as regards simplicity. How would this proof-of-concept look with Fluxbox, to take one example?
On an seemingly unrelated topic, I've just been looking at Quidsup's latest test on Ubuntu-Gnome. He is not all that impressed with the latest Gnome 3.8 desktop. You can see the video on his YouTube channel. He likes Unity a bit more than Gnome though. But this is the point. According to Linus Torvalds,
This is very far from the case with Ubuntu Unity/Gnome and also, of course, Windows. The refusal of these OS's to to disengage with the user of the system seems to mightily annoy a lot of users. How many users have stopped using Ubuntu and Windows altogether because of this user misuse (quote from RMS) interference? They seem to be sowing the seeds of their own demise here.the operating system should not get noticed by the user at all.
This is surely a lesson for Puppy. The Puppy desktop has always done a great job of keeping it's interaction with the user to the bare minimum. Debian and Arch do this as well, (climbing up the Distrowatch rankings recently).
To stay ahead of the pack here, even more effort is needed to keep the dog on the lead as regards simplicity. How would this proof-of-concept look with Fluxbox, to take one example?
Life is too short to spend it in front of a computer
Well I have to say I was purist when it came to Puppy Linux but I have thought about this debian with Puppy on top thing and it when I considered it makes sense and solves a lot of problems with out of date libraries so whatever you guys decide to good luck with it and look forward to the results. Besides Debian is pretty rock solid. I like James C's pic.
hey i'm confused
will there be another official puppy
will Barry K ok (and the devs do) a community edition
I assume (hope) that all the devs
will keep working on their own projects
and posting to the forum
so we will have a whole lot of great puppy projects
by the way I use ttuuxxx's GREAT Classic Pup
the best for my hardware
thanks Barry K and ttuuxxx
wanderer
will there be another official puppy
will Barry K ok (and the devs do) a community edition
I assume (hope) that all the devs
will keep working on their own projects
and posting to the forum
so we will have a whole lot of great puppy projects
by the way I use ttuuxxx's GREAT Classic Pup
the best for my hardware
thanks Barry K and ttuuxxx
wanderer
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wanderer refers to this "community edition" thread.
Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? [url=http://puppylinux.info/topic/freeoffice-2012-sfs]Get the sfs (English only)[/url].
I have followed Puppy from the very early days, I installed one of the early versions when the installation instructions were posted on the website. After the live cd and the save file were introduced that is what I used. I have used Puppy pretty much as it was released. Many of the posts on the forum do not apply to me as I have not installed it. I have had very few if any issues except those caused by myself. Thanks to all that have contributed.
BDFL +1
Cheers
BDFL +1
Cheers
Time to change the thread names
Don't forget there is now a fork of Woof on Github! And 01micko's already got a Slacko compiled on it! Barry Approved!raffy wrote:wanderer refers to this "community edition" thread.
I'm thinking these two threads need to be renamed, as the first focuses on the future direction of Puppy while the second is creating the technical underpinnings of the next versions of Puppy.
Either way, PIN THEM UP!
Puppy is alive-- the community has succeeded and Barry K's on board!
(Yeah dog)
Well, being I've used this in the past as a tool to fix Microsoft Windows issues, and this being the one Linux I really enjoy, I also want to say I hope this project NEVER ceases...
I'm taking a different approach then you guys though, see..
Puppy Linux 4.3.1 has been to me, like the de-facto for trial/usage of this OS.
I don't see alot of work being done on that version itself which I think deserves more attention.
It's the only version I'll use and have started a site which is still under construction atm. When it is time to reveal such [that will be soon!] ,
I'll leave it up for anyone looking for help with that version as it's a maze of pages to get a decent working OS with that version.
That's all I can offer to the community, but I'll keep pushing forth.
[I have to, because alot of the files are scattered with no central home or puppy linux 4.3.1 site]
Kent C.
I'm taking a different approach then you guys though, see..
Puppy Linux 4.3.1 has been to me, like the de-facto for trial/usage of this OS.
I don't see alot of work being done on that version itself which I think deserves more attention.
It's the only version I'll use and have started a site which is still under construction atm. When it is time to reveal such [that will be soon!] ,
I'll leave it up for anyone looking for help with that version as it's a maze of pages to get a decent working OS with that version.
That's all I can offer to the community, but I'll keep pushing forth.
[I have to, because alot of the files are scattered with no central home or puppy linux 4.3.1 site]
Kent C.
I'm going to steer clear of any technical comments, but I'll chip in from a psychological/sociological point of view.
Committee or consensus leadership is probably not the way to go. It might work, but I've seen too many committee-based IT projects die out and/or descend into slanging matches to be convinced that it's the way to go here, especially as nobody's being paid and people can just walk away.
As others have noted, Puppy has succeeded because it has one overall leader, whether you call him a benevolent dictator or a lenient father figure. Replacing that person with a group of people is unlikely to work well, in my experience and opinion. Something will be produced, but that something is unlikely to be wonderful.
As Nathan F and others have pointed out, and as Jemimah (Puppeee, Fluppy, Saluki) would no doubt agree, creating and maintaining even a variant of Puppy is a tiring, time-consuming, almost full-time job.
For the best chance of success, you really need someone who has no major time constraints, no children (or adult children), no spouse (or a very understanding one) and an independent source of income. Plus experience, coding skills and a variety of other abilities and traits. And a huge interest in Linux.
That all points to someone older. I think the best chance of Puppy continuing after BK retires is to vote for one single dev/leader with the right skills and experience, and then agree to abide by his/her decisions.
Just my 2c worth.
Committee or consensus leadership is probably not the way to go. It might work, but I've seen too many committee-based IT projects die out and/or descend into slanging matches to be convinced that it's the way to go here, especially as nobody's being paid and people can just walk away.
As others have noted, Puppy has succeeded because it has one overall leader, whether you call him a benevolent dictator or a lenient father figure. Replacing that person with a group of people is unlikely to work well, in my experience and opinion. Something will be produced, but that something is unlikely to be wonderful.
As Nathan F and others have pointed out, and as Jemimah (Puppeee, Fluppy, Saluki) would no doubt agree, creating and maintaining even a variant of Puppy is a tiring, time-consuming, almost full-time job.
For the best chance of success, you really need someone who has no major time constraints, no children (or adult children), no spouse (or a very understanding one) and an independent source of income. Plus experience, coding skills and a variety of other abilities and traits. And a huge interest in Linux.
That all points to someone older. I think the best chance of Puppy continuing after BK retires is to vote for one single dev/leader with the right skills and experience, and then agree to abide by his/her decisions.
Just my 2c worth.
"As Nathan F and others have pointed out, and as Jemimah (Puppeee, Fluppy, Saluki) would no doubt agree, creating and maintaining even a variant of Puppy is a tiring, time-consuming, almost full-time job."
" I can tell you from the experience of trying dozens of distros, creating my own, looking over the edge and realizing the lonely life of a sole developer, and walking away: open-source is nothing without community. Help create that, and you'll create a host of fellow Linux users."
I hope that helps.
Deacon Joseph Suaiden
Former Big Cheese, Colorwheel OS
Exactly why would you put it all on one person=burnout.
Open source is about the team model.
It is whether you just end up with a lot of talk talk or actually produce something.
Debate is necessary but you need to stop after certain amount of time and implement them or all you have is vapourwear. The CE model can work.
" I can tell you from the experience of trying dozens of distros, creating my own, looking over the edge and realizing the lonely life of a sole developer, and walking away: open-source is nothing without community. Help create that, and you'll create a host of fellow Linux users."
I hope that helps.
Deacon Joseph Suaiden
Former Big Cheese, Colorwheel OS
Exactly why would you put it all on one person=burnout.
Open source is about the team model.
It is whether you just end up with a lot of talk talk or actually produce something.
Debate is necessary but you need to stop after certain amount of time and implement them or all you have is vapourwear. The CE model can work.