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Barry Kauler announces his retirement from Puppy
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 16:23    Post_subject:  

From Phoronix.....

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While the Mir Display Server and the Wayland protocol are widely viewed as the next-generation display technologies for Linux systems, there's already been delays with Mir and Wayland hasn't yet been widely adopted. Even if/when Mir and Wayland manage to lift off, the X.Org Server won't suddenly die and will be supported for years to come.

Many are excited about Wayland and Mir, but still these new display systems present new demands on the Linux desktop stack in terms of graphics drivers and acceleration, there's issues with non-Linux operating systems, legacy X applications continue to need to be supported, and there will be enterprise Linux distributions that still need to maintain X support for years


http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php/?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NjI
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mafur

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 18:08    Post_subject:  

tronkel wrote:
How about taking a minimalist Debian Server Stable install and using that to master a system that has as many puppy characteristics as are feasible.

If you change that much will the result still be Puppy, or just another Debian spin? Then, name Puppy for a final product as one from group of Linux distributions doesn't have connection with what it suppose to do. That is not catchy name like Mint, Ubuntu, Arch or Slackware.
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oldyeller


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 21:07    Post_subject:  

No matter which way it goes to call it Puppy Linux will need Barry to approve it, Since Puppy Linux is copyrighted.

People may see things that need change or improvements, But puppy is one of a kind and no other linux is close to its uniqueness.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 22:13    Post_subject:  

mafur wrote:
That is not catchy name like Mint, Ubuntu, Arch or Slackware.
Or, like "mafur"?

The clown is back under a new identity.
But the accent, the trolling pattern and BS talking remain just the same.

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starhawk

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 22:29    Post_subject:  

I was thinking he sounded rather familiar. *sigh* Hi, simargl Evil or Very Mad

Since you clearly have the sense to figure out what you like and what you don't like -- and having established that Puppy is firmly in the second category -- could you kindly please just leave, so we can all have some peace (you included)...? PLEASE...?

Maybe you and that dude I can't remember the name of, whotsizface who had the falling out with John Murga, could get together and form a Puppy Users Hate Group or something...?

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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 23:49    Post_subject:  

tronkel wrote:

How about taking a minimalist Debian Server Stable install and using that to master a system that has as many puppy characteristics as are feasible.

Sure, it wouldn't be a "real" Puppy Linux as such, but it might make a great little platform for up-and-coming developers to hack around with. Only include stuff like JWM, Rox ,MTpaint, Abiword etc.


A really quick and dirty Debian w/ JWM and Rox-filer..... screenshot taken w/ MTPaint :And apt-get...... Smile Fresh netinstall.

JWM, Rox-filer and the deps pulled in 86.3 mb.....removed Openbox and Thunar and got back about 12 mb.

EDIT:
Just looking at the screenshot ..... the slimmed down version is occupying 1.7 gb...... I have a pretty stock, fairly fresh Wheezy KDE install on here too and it's 5 gb.
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darkcity


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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 05:55    Post_subject:  

Pussy Linux by sickgut is a project to create a Puppified Debian
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475

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tronkel


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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 06:03    Post_subject:  

That's a nice screenshot James C. Good proof of concept. I wonder if, for example, .jwmrc configuration file from a recent Puppy could be used in order to make it look more like a classical Puppy with JWM.

On an seemingly unrelated topic, I've just been looking at Quidsup's latest test on Ubuntu-Gnome. He is not all that impressed with the latest Gnome 3.8 desktop. You can see the video on his YouTube channel. He likes Unity a bit more than Gnome though. But this is the point. According to Linus Torvalds,
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the operating system should not get noticed by the user at all.


This is very far from the case with Ubuntu Unity/Gnome and also, of course, Windows. The refusal of these OS's to to disengage with the user of the system seems to mightily annoy a lot of users. How many users have stopped using Ubuntu and Windows altogether because of this user misuse (quote from RMS) interference? They seem to be sowing the seeds of their own demise here.

This is surely a lesson for Puppy. The Puppy desktop has always done a great job of keeping it's interaction with the user to the bare minimum. Debian and Arch do this as well, (climbing up the Distrowatch rankings recently).

To stay ahead of the pack here, even more effort is needed to keep the dog on the lead as regards simplicity. How would this proof-of-concept look with Fluxbox, to take one example?

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jpeps

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 11:51    Post_subject:  

Having a repository of java apps wouldn't be a bad idea. None require dependencies, and work on all flavors. I'm just trying out the Java Mod Player right now...really amazing how well these apps work. Mod player even uses the system tray.
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darry1966

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 19:48    Post_subject:  

Well I have to say I was purist when it came to Puppy Linux but I have thought about this debian with Puppy on top thing and it when I considered it makes sense and solves a lot of problems with out of date libraries so whatever you guys decide to good luck with it and look forward to the results. Besides Debian is pretty rock solid. I like James C's pic.
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Nov 2013, 13:23    Post_subject:  

hey i'm confused

will there be another official puppy

will Barry K ok (and the devs do) a community edition

I assume (hope) that all the devs
will keep working on their own projects
and posting to the forum
so we will have a whole lot of great puppy projects

by the way I use ttuuxxx's GREAT Classic Pup
the best for my hardware
thanks Barry K and ttuuxxx

wanderer

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 12:29    Post_subject:  

by the way
we have started a community edition thread in announcements
and many people have joined
if anyone wants to participate
I think this would be a good way
for everyone to get together
and carry on Barry K's work
and further develop puppy
hope to see you there

wanderer
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raffy

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 19:17    Post_subject: link  

wanderer refers to this "community edition" thread.
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Bligh

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Nov 2013, 18:14    Post_subject:  

I have followed Puppy from the very early days, I installed one of the early versions when the installation instructions were posted on the website. After the live cd and the save file were introduced that is what I used. I have used Puppy pretty much as it was released. Many of the posts on the forum do not apply to me as I have not installed it. I have had very few if any issues except those caused by myself. Thanks to all that have contributed.
BDFL +1
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Deacon


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PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov 2013, 20:49    Post_subject: Time to change the thread names  

raffy wrote:
wanderer refers to this "community edition" thread.


Don't forget there is now a fork of Woof on Github! And 01micko's already got a Slacko compiled on it! Barry Approved!

I'm thinking these two threads need to be renamed, as the first focuses on the future direction of Puppy while the second is creating the technical underpinnings of the next versions of Puppy.

Either way, PIN THEM UP!

Puppy is alive-- the community has succeeded and Barry K's on board!

(Yeah dog)
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