Upup Raring 3.9.9.2 with non-PAE 3.9.9 kernel. 13 July 2013

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radky · #316 Post by **radky** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 00:17

greengeek wrote:...my destination contains a space in one of the directory names (eg: /mnt/sda2/Linux other/snaptest).

Hi greengeek,

PupSnap-2.2 supports (removes) spaces in filenames selected for captured images, but currently does not support spaces in directory names.

Thanks for your report.

EDIT: The upcoming PupSnap-2.2.1 will support spaces in directory names.

artsown · #317 Post by **artsown** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 18:36

On one PC I have here 3992 boots up mostly black screen with some scattered icons.
This PC runs Slacko 5.5, Racy 5.5, and Raring 5.6.94 ok. It's a Dell Dimension 2350
having on-board Intel 8245 Brookdale-G hardware. The monitor is a Acer X191W LCD.

The behavior is weird. Vesa doesn't work either. I got a good startup GUI once and
thought a personal Save file and reboot would end the problem but it didn't.

The video driver problem surprised me since I was under the impression that this
sort of thing is ancient history, never to annoy users again when we try out the
latest and greatest pups

Art

pemasu · #318 Post by **pemasu** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 18:56

Artsown. Intel Brookdale is problematic. If you dont have any solution to provide, I dont know how to get it working. It would need succesful solution provided by some brookdale owner. Of course problem can be my compiled intel_drv.so and if so...you could try the ubuntu version from PPM.
xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.21.6-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb

You need to get intel_drv.so copied from the deb over existing intel_drv.so

Probably you will need to boot to the console state and do the job in console.
Hmm...nice little exercise. And I dont know if it will help.

musher0 · #319 Post by **musher0** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 19:07

@artsown:

Does a Raring 5.6.94 exist ??

In any case, I have pretty much the same problem as you.

I guess this is the end of the "beautiful friendship" between single-core machines and Puppy.

I had the same misadventure with Puppy Precise 5.7.1 (regular edition) and Puppy Slacko 5.6_PAE : they boot with vesa 800x600 as the graphics driver, but they hang the disk if I try to go to console and launch the "xorgwizard".

the cause doesn't seem to be the glibc (or eglibc) version.
What I do not know is

is it my old NVidia card? or
the fact that this computer is single-core? or
if it's even possible to have a single-core computer and PAE?

I have replaced the old NVidia card with a slightly "younger" Radeon 9600 graphics card, but the change is not impressive.

In short, I'll have to find some big bucks to buy a new computer in order to keep up with the new Puppies.

Best regards.

musher0

PS. FWIW, I've attached an inxi description of my current machine.

artsown · #320 Post by **artsown** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 19:35

pemasu, I decided to try the intel_drv..so file from Barry's Raring 5.6.94 since it has a
different file size than yours. It seems to be working OK. I re-booted several times
without problems. Both Hardware Info and Quick Setup show the Intel driver as
being used.

Art

pemasu · #321 Post by **pemasu** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 19:39

artsown. Okay. Using the ubuntu raring ringtail own intel_drv.so seems to be solution for Brookdale. My compile was the newest version at the time. And it has been succesful for newer ivybridge and sandybridge intel graphics which didnt work with ubuntu version.

It looks like there is not easy solution to provide one working intel_drv.so for all intel graphics hardware. If you check alphaos thread, you will notice that simargl had to compile intel_drv.so also without sna acceleration enabled as default. The old and new does not seem to stick together peacefully anymore. At least without some extra xorg.conf parameter inclusion which I am not aware atm.

James C · #322 Post by **James C** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 19:42

Various graphics chips....

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Raring, version 3.9.9.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1440x900
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri exa extmod fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Raring, version 3.9.9.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 extmod fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

Give me a minute and I'll be posting (hopefully) from a Brookdale.

James C · #323 Post by **James C** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:02

Good old Brookdale.

Booted to a black screen with a few icons.Ctrl/Alt/Bksp to xorgwizard....chose "modesetting" driver.....got correct screen resolution and correct working desktop.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Raring, version 3.9.9.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe
Drivers requested to be loaded: modesetting

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): modesetting
Loaded modules: dbe extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadow

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
2 frames in 5.4 seconds = 0.373 FPS
256 frames in 5.0 seconds = 51.168 FPS
253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 50.500 FPS
309 frames in 5.0 seconds = 61.743 FPS
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.397 FPS
283 frames in 5.0 seconds = 56.362 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Memory : 512MB (169MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Upup Raring - 3.9.9.2
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Mon 26 Aug 2013 03:20:09 PM GMT-8
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits)
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4

VGA compatible controller : Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

Gave me a good excuse to dig this thing out of the closet......needs some long overdue updates....

pemasu · #324 Post by **pemasu** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:05

Thanks James C. With modesetting you can get X and then you can download that xorg-xserver-video-intel .deb to get working intel_drv.so in use.

That way you get accelerated xorg driver and also intel_dri.so ie mesa dri in use.

Nice graphics show. Thanks.

artsown · #325 Post by **artsown** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:13

musher0, personally, I'm far from ready to put any money at all into more modern
desktops. I have four desktops, all of which have pentium 4 cpus running from
1.7 to 2.0 ghz. Two have 512 and two have 756 meg RAM. Each one will run
several different pups well.

I usually don't find that it makes any difference whether I run a PAE or non-PAE
version. Either should work for me, and they generally do.

At one time, I tried a video card in the 2350 (don't recall which card) because of
it's problematic Intel on-board video hardware. That worked ok to get certain pups
working. But since some pups work ok without changing the video hardware, I
eventually removed the card. Anyway, my junk box is full of video cards that I
can try.

Good luck

Art

musher0 · #326 Post by **musher0** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:25

artsown wrote:musher0, personally, I'm far from ready to put any money at all into more modern
desktops. I have four desktops, all of which have pentium 4 cpus running from
1.7 to 2.0 ghz. Two have 512 and two have 756 meg RAM. Each one will run
several different pups well.

I usually don't find that it makes any difference whether I run a PAE or non-PAE
version. Either should work for me, and they generally do.

At one time, I tried a video card in the 2350 (don't recall which card) because of
it's problematic Intel on-board video hardware. That worked ok to get certain pups
working. But since some pups work ok without changing the video hardware, I
eventually removed the card. Anyway, my junk box is full of video cards that I
can try.

Good luck

Art

Thanks for the encouraging words, artsown, and for the note on old video cards.

pemasu, could you please detail the procedure for download and
installation of the needed graphics driver, step-by-step, like
color-by-numbers instructions? You really lost me. (Intelligence
declines with age, you know!)

Thanks in advance.

musher0

pemasu · #327 Post by **pemasu** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:29

musher0. Do you mean for intel Brookdale or for your radeon 9600 card ?

musher0 · #328 Post by **musher0** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:31

pemasu wrote:musher0. Do you mean for intel Brookdale or for your radeon 9600 card ?

The latter.

pemasu · #329 Post by **pemasu** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:35

I do use ubuntu raring radeon_drv.so driver. I havent compiled it my self.
To get better amd-ati driver, I suggest using catalyst legacy proprietary driver. I believe it will give you the best result:

http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/pet_pack ... legacy.pet

I dont have atm any intention to try to compile radeon_drv.so unless somebody tell me why.

James C · #330 Post by **James C** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:39

Just for future informational purposes...... the newer kernel versions (approx. k-3.6.x and later) need nouveau.noaccel=1 added as a boot parameter for a lot of older Nvidia chips.

EDIT:
Needed on some not-so-old Nvidia chips too........ forgot that without it the newer kernels will freeze up on my quad-core.

musher0 · #331 Post by **musher0** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 20:47

Many thanks to the two of you!

So I will install the "catalyst" pet on my current set-up.
I will also try James C's suggestion with my old NVidia card.

Thanks again. BFN.

musher0

James C · #332 Post by **James C** » Mon 26 Aug 2013, 22:04

While I'm digging out old hardware...... an even older Nvidia card.

Raring 3.9.9.2 live....... working well.

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Raring, version 3.9.9.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV5 [Riva TNT2 / TNT2 Pro] (rev 15)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri exa extmod fb fbdevhw glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
674 frames in 5.0 seconds = 134.797 FPS
784 frames in 5.0 seconds = 156.784 FPS
808 frames in 5.0 seconds = 161.492 FPS
796 frames in 5.0 seconds = 159.071 FPS
803 frames in 5.0 seconds = 160.581 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Memory : 253MB (130MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Upup Raring - 3.9.9.2
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Mon 26 Aug 2013 05:12:10 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv05 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev20

-Processor-
Name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Family, model, stepping : 6, 4, 2 (AMD Athlon (Thunderbird))
Vendor : AuthenticAMD
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 256kb
Frequency : 851.49MHz
BogoMIPS : 1703.94
Byte Order : Little Endian

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:        253840       243148        10692            0        17584
-/+ buffers:             225564        28276
Swap:      1076316          752      1075564
#

don570 · #333 Post by **don570** » Tue 27 Aug 2013, 00:00

Take a Shot (TAS) has been upgraded to 1.3
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84528

Bulldog finder has been upgraded to 3.4
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78592

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anikin · #334 Post by **anikin** » Tue 27 Aug 2013, 13:36

Hi pemasu et al,
A quick question regarding devx - does it include these items:
1) xorg protocol headers
2) util-macros

Thank you in advance.

pemasu · #335 Post by **pemasu** » Tue 27 Aug 2013, 15:00

Anikin. There is xutils-dev which provides the util related macros header and there are a lot xorg related headers.

If you find something missing still....use ppm and download the related -dev .deb.

When I have compiled something xorg related, all the needed headers have been there.

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