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I did a manual frugal install of Precise 564 alpha to a 4gb flash drive.
Computer is a 9+ year old Compaq Presario S6700NX.

Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory 1554MB (207MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Precise Puppy - 5.6.4
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri 12 Jul 2013 11:57:22 AM EDT
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5961) x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL DRI2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
Input Devices
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Power Button
Power Button
PC Speaker
OpenGL
Vendor Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
Renderer Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5961) x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL DRI2
Version 1.3 Mesa 8.0.4
Direct Rendering Yes
Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter [rt73]

I needed to update ppm before I could download Vlc-2.0.5
Also added Firefox-22 from ppm

There is a modem in this pc but don't have time to check it now.

No problems yet.

EDIT:I installed Seamonkey 2.17.1 with ppm and the latest flashplayer plugin with getflash.
It's working great, videos at cnn play well at fullscreen.

EDIT:Hardinfo shows that the modem in this pc is a:
Communication controller LSI Corporation LT WinModem (rev 02)

I set up pupdial and entered a password and username for the local internet provider, it dialed out and connected but the username and password weren't valid so it hung up, does work though.

Manual frugal install of Precise 5.6.4 alpha on the old trusty Athlon XP box.Sound,internet and display correct and working ootb.
The first thing I did was grab QTWeb ........so far appears to be working fine.Will give it a good test run later.Small and works well.....may be a contender for default browser.


# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.6.4

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1440x900
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse record shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
125 frames in 5.0 seconds = 24.854 FPS
151 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.140 FPS
146 frames in 5.0 seconds = 29.029 FPS
146 frames in 5.0 seconds = 29.118 FPS
144 frames in 5.0 seconds = 28.785 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (202MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Precise Puppy - 5.6.4
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 12 Jul 2013 12:05:21 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

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simargl wrote:This topic's title claims that after 10 years of development
Puppy Linux is still alpha software,
and if true that is really sad.

alpha software definition
A very early version of a software product that may not contain all of the features that are
planned for the final version. Typically, software goes through two stages of testing before it is
considered finished.

Alpha version describes a development status that usually means the first complete version of
a program or application, which is most likely unstable, but is useful to show what the product
will do to, usually, a selected group—and is also called preview version; the beta version is
usually the last version before wide release, often tested by users under real-world conditions.

Guess the entire Linux world is in trouble.From Distrowatch:(Emphasis mine.)
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130708
Summary of expected upcoming releases
2013-07-11: openSUSE 13.1 Milestone 3
2013-07-25: Ubuntu 13.10 Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavours)
2013-07-25: OS4 14.1 (see roadmap)
2013-07-29: Frugalware Linux 1.9rc1
2013-08-01: Ubuntu 13.10 Alpha 3 (for opt-in flavours)
2013-08-08: openSUSE 13.1 Milestone 4
2013-08-12: Frugalware Linux 1.9rc2
2013-08-15: Ubuntu 12.04.3 (see release schedule)
2013-08-26: Frugalware 1.9 (see roadmap)
2013-09-05: Ubuntu 13.10 Beta 1 (for opt-in flavours)

What is your difficulty in understanding that there are alpha,beta and release candidate releases before any final release? Developers have been using the term "alpha" long before you chose to name your distro.

Returning back to the normal thread........

Manual frugal install on the old P3 (733 Mhz/256 Mb ram/1Gb swap) test box.Sound and display correct and working on initial boot...... used SNS to get internet connection.Installed QTWeb once again.



# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.6.4

Chip description:
Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx int10 kbd mouse ramdac record vbe vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
36 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7.139 FPS
39 frames in 5.1 seconds = 7.688 FPS
35 frames in 5.1 seconds = 6.900 FPS
36 frames in 5.1 seconds = 7.062 FPS
38 frames in 5.1 seconds = 7.392 FPS
39 frames in 5.1 seconds = 7.664 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory : 253MB (133MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Precise Puppy - 5.6.4
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 12 Jul 2013 01:50:35 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

Seems fairly zippy....even on this old hardware.

If anyone trying QTWeb is bothered by tiny fonts in the menus, do a search for pemasu's qt-font-fix.pet, which deals with this.

Been testing QTWeb on a variety of sites....... no real problems yet.Seems pretty smooth.

Frugal install to HDD in a Toshiba Satellite Pro M10.
Processor
Name Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1700MHz
Family, model, stepping 6, 9, 5 (Pentium M)

Memory
Total Memory 514168 kB
Free Memory 9092 kB

1600x1200 resolution using nouvea driver.

All ok so far - seems very responsive.

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If QtWeb pops up ssl certificate errors from time to time, installing ssl certificates and needed folders will stop them. Here is pet to enable installing them. You need /etc/ca-certificates.conf file. Only this file is included in the pet.

Install the pet.
PPM > ca-certificates-some-date.deb
In console: update-ca-certificates
Done.

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simargl wrote:

James C wrote:...there are alpha,beta and release candidate releases before any final release?

Puppy never used alpha, beta and release candidate release scheme in the past

Totally and utterly wrong once again.Do you really not have a clue or do you just like to create controversy?

See the link in pemasu's post.

Figured you might have learned from the Archpup fiasco....but evidently not.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 865#692171

Edited for typos.

I checked this pet:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pa ... nglish.pet

It has included this file:
/etc/xdg/menus/puppy-multimedia.menu

That file does not have the new multimedia submenu entries. It will cause that openbox does not show for example: Asunder, Gnome-Mplayer, Mhwaveedit, Pdvdrsap.
I think fix and reupload is recommended.

I have many alpha, beta and rc builds in the list

a search on BKs blog shows many alpha's, new and old

Booted from ISO by Official Easy2Boot v1.03.

Works great. Not a lot was tested (but a very noticeable bug was the browse icon was not set correctly).

Hi pemasu et al,

Thank you pemasu - your ssl-certificate-fix-0.0.1.pet fixed my download problems with Qt-Web v 3.8.4 (which did not exist in v 3.7.3).

Qt-Web has been my most used browser for many months, but there may be three aspects for new users to take care with:

(1) If the download window is cleared using "Clean up" with any download(s) still in the original download location then total loss will occur.
(2) Before adding any personalised shortcuts it is suggested making a backup of the Qt-Web folder - because although it's a great feature - there may be a few strange and irrecoverable non-working results (at least for non-experts like me).
(3) I renamed my bookmarks to shorten them (or put them in a-long-bookmarks folder). Also, if a large number of bookmarks are imported the bookmark sidebar may look strange - until some items have been shortened and/or moved into new folders.

My regards

pemasu wrote:I checked this pet:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pa ... nglish.pet

It has included this file:
/etc/xdg/menus/puppy-multimedia.menu

That file does not have the new multimedia submenu entries. It will cause that openbox does not show for example: Asunder, Gnome-Mplayer, Mhwaveedit, Pdvdrsap.
I think fix and reupload is recommended.

Openbox with extras is now called OpenboxPlus. It has two panel options (Lxpanel/Tint2) a fix for the xdg menu and many other enhancements:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86206

You might also want to check Openbox-P, a lightweight alternative with FBpanel:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86290

Feedback, fixes, themes, and translations for these packages are highly appreciated.

see further down.

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