Lighthouse 64 602 Beta2 with GIMP-2.8.4 (6-29-2013)

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#616 Post by edoc »

KVM is pretty amazing!

I need to backup & purge this HP Pavilion g7 - clean reload - then set up KVM ... really handy for the multiple purposes I'd like to serve with this laptop!

Thanks!
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#617 Post by LazY Puppy »

Hi.

What kind of format is the file: initrd.xz?

How do I open this to edit its content?

Thanks

Edit:

Sorry, found the init-editor script right now.
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#618 Post by LazY Puppy »

I have now updated my Edit-Initrdgz package from 1.4 to 1.5. It is now able to unpack and repack initrd.gz (like in default Puppies), initrd.xz (like in Lighthouse64) and initrd (like in FatDog64). Both, GUI and right-click Action, are now able to unpack and repack the files initrd, initrd.gz and initrd.xz.
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#619 Post by chillinfart »

I replaced Slacko 5.7 to Lighthouse 64 few days ago, after a disaster with CUDA Toolkit that nuked Slacko (f*** you Nvidia). Well, i have four questions:

- I tried to activate Uxa acceleration for my netbook (that has an Intel Atom N450), but system resets card options at restart (even modifying xorg.conf manually). Which script handles xorg.conf behavior?
- How i remove spot references on Firefox? I changed builtin FF 22 to FF 34 but i got permission errors on downloads when are redirected to other directory than /root/spot/downloads. I changed a reference on defaultbrowser, but isn't enough.
- How i can add x86 app compatibility (i.e. i used jnettop for networking audit and has no x64 version)?
- And i'm not sure about LH nature. Is more Slackware than Fatdog or is more Fatdog than Slackware (to find packages)?

In the other hand, nouveau driver runs nice in my Nvidia Geforce 210 (on desktop system), a big difference with Slacko.

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#620 Post by Dry Falls »

chillinfart wrote:I replaced Slacko 5.7 to Lighthouse 64 few days ago, after a disaster with CUDA Toolkit that nuked Slacko (f*** you Nvidia). Well, i have four questions:

- I tried to activate Uxa acceleration for my netbook (that has an Intel Atom N450), but system resets card options at restart (even modifying xorg.conf manually). Which script handles xorg.conf behavior?
- How i remove spot references on Firefox? I changed builtin FF 22 to FF 34 but i got permission errors on downloads when are redirected to other directory than /root/spot/downloads. I changed a reference on defaultbrowser, but isn't enough.
- How i can add x86 app compatibility (i.e. i used jnettop for networking audit and has no x64 version)?
- And i'm not sure about LH nature. Is more Slackware than Fatdog or is more Fatdog than Slackware (to find packages)?

In the other hand, nouveau driver runs nice in my Nvidia Geforce 210 (on desktop system), a big difference with Slacko.
1. The kernel modules in LH are not up to date. As far as Xorg.conf, you can edit it manually or create new rules in usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d. For example, I added a new file "20-fbdev.conf' there:
Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
Driver "fbdev"
Option "ShadowFB" "false"
Option "Backingstore" "true"
Endsection
Just adding the option to Xorg.conf was completely ignored by the server.

2. On firefox, I removed the entire usr/lib64/firefox directory and loaded firefox34 as an sfs (Don't delete, trashbin it and then empty trash. Better yet, remove it in initrd/pup_rw and pup_ro1). If you want, you can just replace it with the new (adds about 85m to your savefile). It will run as spot or root with no other changes. For permissions outside of spot's folder, you have to erase the "-spot" from "firefox-spot" in the default programs gui in setup/setup lighthouse/ in the menu.
3. not too up to speed with networking, especially under technology much past 2005 ( and yes, that's ad and not bc!)
4. The build is slackware 14.0. It can be upgraded in whole or part with slap-get and g-slapt. Other than some applications and the kernel, what is most from fatdog was the 64 bit capability. There was a 32 bit Lighthouse back in the day very much resembling LazyPuppy, which is a pretty amazing distro itself.

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#621 Post by gcmartin »

Hello @ChillinFart

FIREFOX
Firefox is rather easy in LightHouse. You go Menu>Internet>Firefox Update Help.

This is a Firefox (FF) implementation design to run on your desktop at root user level. This, then, allows you to update, add extensions, download anywhere in your filesystem, etc.

To update FF, this will be done automatically for you by following the above steps. OR, you can open the FF browser, go to Help then about ... to have it automatically launch. I am running at FF35 as of yesterday morn.

There are lots of other gem utilities that the author scattered all over in this amazing distro.

x86 Compatibility
For this, there is WINE builtin, OOTB. This assumes you are using LightHouse's Mariner version and NOT the Base version. You can find Mariner here.

Hope this helps.
Edited: the 4th sentence for better clarity
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#622 Post by chillinfart »

Yes, i got Mariner version and Wine SFS.

About Firefox the problem is with Flashgot, that can redirect downloads to Wget or another application, seeing permission error. Firefox replacement obey to a language change (Spanish)


And other question. Someone tried to compile CudaMiner on Puppy (not only LH)?

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Evince not Working

#623 Post by edoc »

Any idea why the RollApp Evince app generates this error when I try to open a DJVU file, please?
bash-4.1# (evince:18463): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.lockdown' is not installed
sh: syntax error near unexpected token `:'
<root> ~
bash-4.1#
<root> ~
bash-4.1# Trace/breakpoint trap
sh: Trace/breakpoint: No such file or directory
<root> ~
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LH 64 Loading Slowly

#624 Post by edoc »

At the x-windows stage the loading of LH 64 lags, sometimes as long as 5+ minutes.

Questions:

1. What might this be signaling that I can fix?

2. Could this mean that LH 64 has been corrupted & needs to be reloaded?

3. Is LH reaching EOL due to changes in browsers & other apps?

NOTE: I'm loading via a small USB stick due to UEFI problems (HP Pavilion g7.
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#625 Post by partsman »

Hi edoc
Idk for sure where your problem lies but one thing I thought worth mentioning is the big misconception that a linux is EOL "end of life"
outdated etc.
This simply is not true !
If your happy with your linux system and it does what you need and works well with you hardware then don't abandon it !
There are loads of people still running ubuntu lucid and and even much earlier linux !
We are not running windows here ! :wink:
As far as your issue goes :?
I have used lighthouse before ! Its very feature packed and alot of things happen at startup !
Desktop loads , startup sounds , applets , taskbars ,etc !
Maybe to much at startup :wink:
Seems in the past all was well for you :wink:
What did you do recently to poss cause this ?
weather applet ?
GKrellM ?
startup sound ?
Just random thoughts :?
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#626 Post by edoc »

It may be a hardware failure as it's been getting steadily worse for months.

I was hoping it was just a full buffer or something but haven't found it.

It's also becoming less stable - Firefox is crashing now and then - though I do often have about 20 tabs ....
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#627 Post by partsman »

If I remember correctly in the past you had video issues with lighthouse ! :?
I assume its not the same issue ?
After the long startup does it seem to function ok ?
Aside from firefox crashing with 20 tabs open :lol:
Just thinking outloud here edoc :wink:
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#628 Post by edoc »

Once it finally starts up it functions fine - other than the Firefox crashes.

It's a shame FF developers don't code a pop-up error explaining why their app crashed.

Something simple like "Ran out of buffer", "Too many open tabs for available resources", "Dependency conflict", etc.

The list of common problems cannot be too long.

If I am sending them crash data the least they could do is to share what their app is telling them - maybe I can do something local to resolve it.
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Usbinstall disaster in 602b2Mariner

#629 Post by otropogo »

I've just spent more hours than I want to count installing lighthouse64 602b2 mariner to two CF cards, one 1GB, the other 2GB.

The exercise was booby trapped by the menus and instructions of both the Universal Installer and the USBflash installer, all of which I read and tried to follow, with disastrous results. It's too late to go into this now, at 01:42 in the morning. I'll give the details on avoiding these traps later in the week.

I did finally manage, after around ten "successful" installs that didn't boot, to get both cards to boot, but unless some major changes are made to the save scheme, I suggest you don't waste your time the way I did. Forget USBflash install for this distro.

Why - because, strangely, while you're allowed to save your save file to hdd when booting from the LiveCD, once you've installed to a flash device, you can only save your configurations and applications, and everything else you want to load at next boot, to the same USBflash device. My 1GB CF card had all of 287MB left to save on. Good luck with that!

Furthermore, when you boot from this little card, you wont' be able to remove it until the session is over. That will be handy when you need to load or save something from or to another flash card. Fergetaboutit!


I've booted Lupu 528 for years from a 256MB CF flash card. It didn't even have space for the lupuplus sfs. But it didn't matter, because the loader looked on the hard drive for the appropriate sfs, loaded it into RAM, then listed all of the save files available for loading on the hard drives, and I could almost immediately remove the boot device itself.


So I'm sure this is a problem that can be solved easily and quickly, assuming that it was created as an oversight, and not as a deliberate obstacle...

There were some problems in performance too. The Invidia driver that I loaded kept popping up a message saying it was found, but not installed, telling me to restart X over and over.

In LDXE (?) and the other acronymic WM, drop down menus were unusable, because they would disappear before you could even read them. They worked in Openbox and JWM though. But these are teething problems. The Universal and flash installers, OTOH, have been a thorn in the side for years. And I thought things were improving...

Lots of eye candy, and possibly lots of functionality, but that's no substitute for a solid base. I guess I could wear out my patience and my burner and keep booting from the LiveCD (where I can have a fast hdd based save file as big as I need and SFSs that load in seconds into RAM) but I'll wait until the flash save option is fixed before I experiment further.

Not being a coder, I depend on the good will of those who are. So a distro that only supports the needs of the majority or the in crowd is something I want to avoid.

But I shall be back with a description of what to avoid like the devil in the flash installation menus, and what happens if you don't.
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Re: Usbinstall disaster in 602b2Mariner

#630 Post by rcrsn51 »

otropogo wrote:Why - because, strangely, while you're allowed to save your save file to hdd when booting from the LiveCD, once you've installed to a flash device, you can only save your configurations and applications, and everything else you want to load at next boot, to the same USBflash device.
Use ISObooter and the instructions on page 10. Change "initrd.gz" to "initrd.xz".

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Re: Usbinstall disaster in 602b2Mariner

#631 Post by otropogo »

rcrsn51 wrote:
otropogo wrote:Why - because, strangely, while you're allowed to save your save file to hdd when booting from the LiveCD, once you've installed to a flash device, you can only save your configurations and applications, and everything else you want to load at next boot, to the same USBflash device.
Use ISObooter and the instructions on page 10. Change "initrd.gz" to "initrd.xz".
Thanks for your suggestion. Have only time to read the linked data cursorily, but it seems to me this wouldn't be a workable solution for me:

1. I want to avoid Grub altogether

2. I don't want to be loading the OS into RAM from a flash card every time I boot, or worse, running the OS from a flash card.

3. I don't want to be limited by the size of the flash card used to boot.

It seems to be a useful tool for portability, but I hardly ever use a different PC, so that doesn't offset any of these issues for me.

The system used in the lupu usbflash installation is much smaller and simpler. Basically, once you've set the USBflash card to boot from the hdd, it just runs , which finds the sfs and the save files on the hdds, and you can cofigure it to look at all the hard drives for the distro sfs or just in specific locations, and alter this at the boot prompt if needed.

It's not perfect, and could be easily improved, if someone took an interest. But it works.
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Requesting nVidia setup guidance for PUPPY users

#632 Post by gcmartin »

Hello @Otropogo

I think I understand what you share. Summary:
  1. System boots OK to desktop from DVD
  2. You filled in FirstRUN (Personalized Settings) with all the local settings you desired.
  3. Seems all goes well in its use for that booted session
Questions
  • Where did you do your initial save-session? (DVD or somewhere else or both over time)
  • As far as you could tell, did Mariner discover all of your PCs peripherals, OOTB: HDD partitions, USB devices, sound, LAN cards, etc.?
Let us know if files on peripherals can be seen and devices are functioning.

ALSO
From your description, which did you do next? I can see efforts at changing drivers and efforts at moving LH64 to your media devices. Which would you prefer to run normally: Live DVD, Frugal, or Full. (note: booting from many peripherals does NOT offer any boot speed increases over Live DVD. ,,, excepting HDDs/SSDs)

nVidia Setup
I have always found this to be problematic with all of the PUPs I use, so I understand your driver install frustrations. Seem somewhere early on in this thread, one member provides some insight and guidance to exactly that.

Request to anyone reading
  • Is there a thread that gives a How to set of steps to add nVidia and use xorgwizard to change the driver, where it is clear and straightforward in PUPs?

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#633 Post by otropogo »

gcmartin wrote:Hello @Otropogo

...
  1. System boots OK to desktop from DVD

Not quite. There was difficulty first in recognizing the ethernet card, then in makinfg the connection. There was also trouble with a black screen instead of display. I had to reboot a couple of times before I got a desktop, no idea how it resolved, but then no options for resolution were offered. Might have to do with dual displays connected and/or dual display adapters, the other being Intel.

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/*:m][*]You filled in FirstRUN (Personalized Settings) with all the local settings you desired.
[*]Seems all goes well in its use for that booted session[/list]
Questions
No nothing got saved, as it turns out, no firewall setup no time zone. Obviously a write problem, but there were no error messages.

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list][*]Where did you do your initial save-session? (DVD or somewhere else or both over time)
I booted first from a rewritable LiveCD, which was NOT written multisession (at least, that's not what I ordered). While in that session, I also tried to install to falsh USB, twice. Maybe that got Lighthouse confused...

When I rebooted, nothing got saved, its seems. I didn't have time to really check out all the hardware, or any of it, really.

One thing I did notice is that my wireless mouse woulsdn't work as it does in Windows, attached to a USB port on the external keyboard attached to a USBhub. It wouldn't work attached directly to the hub either. I had to plug it in directly to one of the laptop's precious usb3.0 ports before it would work (sluggishly).


[*
]As far as you could tell, did Mariner discover all of your PCs peripherals, OOTB: HDD partitions, USB devices, sound, LAN cards, etc.?[/list]Let us know if files on peripherals can be seen and devices are functioning.
You'll have to tell me which app to use for that.

[
b]ALSO[/b]
From your description, which did you do next? I can see efforts at changing drivers and efforts at moving LH64 to your media devices. Which would you prefer to run normally: Live DVD, Frugal, or Full. (note: booting from many peripherals does NOT offer any boot speed increases over Live DVD. ,,, excepting HDDs/SSDs)
I want to boot and save the way I've been doing for three or four years with Lupu528, boot with the bootloader on a flash card, load the main sfs and any additional sfs from the PC's hard drive, run in RAM, and save back to the save file on the hdd. It's hugely faster than anything you can do from a LiveCD/dVD and it frees up the burner almost immediately so you can use it for other things.
nVidia Setup
I have always found this to be problematic with all of the PUPs I use, so I understand your driver install frustrations. Seem somewhere early on in this thread, one member provides some insight and guidance to exactly that.

Request to anyone reading
  • Is there a thread that gives a How to set of steps to add nVidia and use xorgwizard to change the driver, where it is clear and straightforward in PUPs?
That's a minor issue, compared to what I just discovered today, trying to do the same thing on my wife's non-UEFI Windows 7 laptop, that still runs Lupu.

NB: IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE TO ANY NTFS PARTITION WITH THIS INSTALLATION, BECAUSE THE NTFS MODULE IS DEFECTIVE.

It took a lot of work and frustration to fix this three years ago by finding and installing (with the help of others, of course) a working NTFS-3G module. I really didn't think this ugliness would rear its head again.

If nothing else, there should be a warning in the installation instructions that you're wasting your time trying to save your save file to an NTFS partition. It's only at the very end, when you go to shut down the liveCD boot and select the partition, that you get this message "...NTFS-3G driver unable to mount the partition... using internal driver to mount in read-only mode...".

So even the liveCD/DVD option won't work for me unless I'm willing to create a fat or Linux partition on the hard drive for Lighthouse which I won't be able to access from within Windows...

What bugs me about this persistent flaw is that it's probably a well considered deliberate choice motivated by dubious principles. I hope a simple fix is available or it's Sayonara Lighthouse for me.

Should be able to find the old discussion in the lucid528 thread by looking for NTFS-3G.

One other tip DON'T use the COMBO usbflash option. For some reason it creates two partitions, without asking or being asked, then tries to install Mariner in the smaller one, and then tries to boot from the one that was left empty! I finally succeeded in booting from flash by choosing USB HD install, legacy.

But, as I said in the previous post, you'd better use a fast (ie. expensive) USBFlash card with at least 8GB of space., because all your sfs files will have to be on that card, and will have to be loaded into memory from it every time you use them. And shut down will be delayed too, because LH seems to like waiting until the end to save any changes you've made.

Oh, almost forgot. It doesn't shut down properly either. I had to do hard power down every time on both the win7 and win8 machines-slow, frustrating, hard on the on/off buttom. And on a laptop like mine, on which the only access to the battery is by removing 10 tiny #5 torx screws on the base, and then another three screws on the battery, your hardware could easily fry while you're trying to shut down.
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#634 Post by edoc »

Why not use the updated and more actively supported Just-Lighthouse tribute version?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=99712
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NTFS-3G still doesn't work in Fatdog64, April 2015

#635 Post by otropogo »

edoc wrote:Why not use the updated and more actively supported Just-Lighthouse tribute version?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=99712
Does it support R/W access to ntfs filesystem? I couldn't find any reference to ntfs-3g or to "tribute" on the page you linked above.

I googled "Just Lighthouse ntfs-3G" and found nothing except my own post of yesterday. If it had been fixed, I assume Google would have found a reference...

So while there may be more active support for this version, it's still inadequate for my needs.

It seems there are still Linux "purists" who believe the one shouldn't be able to have write access to ntfs files from within Linux. A stance that benefits only Microsoft, it seems to me.

Apparently this attitude prevails in Just Lighthouse and FatDog64 coding circles.

I did find a command line option that creates R/W access temporarily, and only for root. But I don't see how this could be workable in my intended installation.
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