Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.
Tried tests most likely to fail and iso-level 4 change just throws more volume change warnings, but adding sessions over the DVD sized works. File size reporting looks correct, checking for large sized file truncation.
But so far no difference (slower boot possibly) using iso-level 4 over 3 except for warnings..
But so far no difference (slower boot possibly) using iso-level 4 over 3 except for warnings..
Okay I downloaded Fatdog64-620, burned it onto a BD-RE with Burniso2cd and booted it with the first boot option (non-multisession). I see what you mean by the humongous initrd, it must have taken several minutes to load. But overall loading time doesn't seem to be much longer than it was for the multisession Slacko DVD I was using before.
I installed Flashblock because the ad in the upper right corner of the forum is so obnoxious. Other than that, Fatdog seems to be well-behaved.
I installed Flashblock because the ad in the upper right corner of the forum is so obnoxious. Other than that, Fatdog seems to be well-behaved.
All tests with iso-level 4 have the same results as iso-level 3 (different WARNINGS, and ISO size shown, but no actual change in useable size.) So If iso-level 4 allows better compatibility with other O/Ss lets go with it.
Can't do any more testing until another 50 pkg of Bluray media is delivered..
Will be working on identified growisofs issues, while I wait.
Can't do any more testing until another 50 pkg of Bluray media is delivered..
Will be working on identified growisofs issues, while I wait.
Ted, why don't you get one or two BD-RE disks for experimenting with? I got some Kodak ones from Fry's for about $4 each. They work fine with the burning applications in Puppy. They even have some kind of "hard coat" supposed to make them more scratch resistant.
I don't get all your talk, so let me ask...
As I understand it. setting isolevel to 4 (and removing -J) would improve the pBurn execution to be compatible with recent windows.
1.) Will it be compatible with windows 7/8 as well as XP?
2.) Are there any reasons for using isolevel 3?
3.) Does this allow burning files over 4Gb?
4.) If so, could this replace UDF?
Thank you
Sigmund
As I understand it. setting isolevel to 4 (and removing -J) would improve the pBurn execution to be compatible with recent windows.
1.) Will it be compatible with windows 7/8 as well as XP?
2.) Are there any reasons for using isolevel 3?
3.) Does this allow burning files over 4Gb?
4.) If so, could this replace UDF?
Thank you
Sigmund
Yes to all.zigbert wrote:I don't get all your talk, so let me ask...
As I understand it. setting isolevel to 4 (and removing -J) would improve the pBurn execution to be compatible with recent windows.
1.) Will it be compatible with windows 7/8 as well as XP?
2.) Are there any reasons for using isolevel 3?
3.) Does this allow burning files over 4Gb?
4.) If so, could this replace UDF?
Thank you
Sigmund
Q#2 on isolevel 3, isolevel 3 relaxes just about everything on the standards.
isolevel 4 does not exist officially, The isolevel 4 is a command switch which writes a 'better version of iso-level 2' its the use of iso-level 2 that allows compatibility with most non-linux OSs.
UDF multisession is a no-go with linux tools, but running imgburn.exe with wine on linux can produce the levels of UDF needed for making BluRay video discs that play in the picky (PS3) bluray players.
Oh I got those too, but progress on the testing of iso-level was well matched up with BD-RE and some BD-R needed to be used to finish up my 134 test cases... I did not try them all, 7 test cases are the most likely to fail. Also needed to backup a 400G HD and was running short. BD-RE takes about 30 mins longer than BD-R so for 'nearly full' disc tests, a few BD-R's are used. I get mine in bulk at 70cents each. (a G of storage for 3cents)Flash wrote:Ted, why don't you get one or two BD-RE disks for experimenting with? I got some Kodak ones from Fry's for about $4 each. They work fine with the burning applications in Puppy. They even have some kind of "hard coat" supposed to make them more scratch resistant.
Oh no, I just discovered that Verbatim make a 7.5 GB mini BD-RE for $17 (each!) and a mini BD-R for $8.
how about a tall stack of 50 mini's (DVDs)
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Duplicato ... im_sbs_e_1
This is more temping... (plus I read online that someones wife made table lamps out of old cds.)
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Duplicato ... im_sbs_e_1
This is more temping... (plus I read online that someones wife made table lamps out of old cds.)
Thanks Ted Dog for the testing, and mainly for the great breakthrough!
I looked at the source of cdrtools and confirm that -iso-level 4 actually enables large files too (and a bunch of other things - mostly iso-level 3 settings). The source is used in 620 is here: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha ... 13.tar.bz2 - I forgot to upload it to /source/c, but I already did now.
UDF also supports multi-session, but as myself and Ted Dog painstakingly found, Linux tools don't support UDF.
When you try to write multisession to an UDF disc, strange things happen: if you mount the disc as "-t iso9660", you will see the files added in the new session. If you mount the disc as "-t udf", you will *NOT* see the new files.
So until this is fixed, use of UDF and multisession is mutually exclusive - you choose one or another but not both.
Sigmund, of special note, all these experiments are done under cdrtools. I'm not sure how they fare under cdrkit, but according to Ted who has done a lot of test, cdrkit may not be up to task for this. I haven't done the test under cdrkit so I can't say but I'll side with Ted on this.
cheers!
I looked at the source of cdrtools and confirm that -iso-level 4 actually enables large files too (and a bunch of other things - mostly iso-level 3 settings). The source is used in 620 is here: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha ... 13.tar.bz2 - I forgot to upload it to /source/c, but I already did now.
Yes, I will see what I can do.Ted Dog wrote:@jamesbond
Would you rewrite this line and the other to send warnings and error msgs to /tmp for debugging ms issues in the future.
Code: Select all
! $GROWISOFS -root $archivepath "$SAVEFILE_MOUNT"/archive/* > /dev/null && save_ok=no
code snippit from /usr/sbin/fatdog-save-multisession.sh
Ted already answered this, but let me put it in a different way:Zigbert wrote:I don't get all your talk, so let me ask...
You either choose -iso-level 4 or -J (but not both). As Ted has stated, "-J" is a broken M$ extension (or abomination) of Rockridge. It is required for long filenames to be seen under Win95 and Win98 (perhaps Win2K too - didn't check, didn't test). Starting on Windows XP, Windows can also see long filenames written under ISO9660:1999 directory which is what -iso-level 4 uses. So effectively -iso-level 4 replaces -J unless you want to be downward compatible to Win95/98 (shudder!)As I understand it. setting isolevel to 4 (and removing -J) would improve the pBurn execution to be compatible with recent windows.
Yes on Win XP and Win7, doesn't own Win8 to test, but I don't see why not.1.) Will it be compatible with windows 7/8 as well as XP?
Mainly to enable writing large files (file bigger than 4 GB), which iso-level 4 also does.2.) Are there any reasons for using isolevel 3?
Yes, both iso-level 3 and iso-level 4 does3.) Does this allow burning files over 4Gb?
Yes and No. If you want to burn DVD Video (or probably Bluray video too) - you need UDF. If all you care is data, then yes.4.) If so, could this replace UDF?
UDF also supports multi-session, but as myself and Ted Dog painstakingly found, Linux tools don't support UDF.
When you try to write multisession to an UDF disc, strange things happen: if you mount the disc as "-t iso9660", you will see the files added in the new session. If you mount the disc as "-t udf", you will *NOT* see the new files.
So until this is fixed, use of UDF and multisession is mutually exclusive - you choose one or another but not both.
Sigmund, of special note, all these experiments are done under cdrtools. I'm not sure how they fare under cdrkit, but according to Ted who has done a lot of test, cdrkit may not be up to task for this. I haven't done the test under cdrkit so I can't say but I'll side with Ted on this.
cheers!
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Thank you guys for all input.
I will let it all sink in for some time, to think it through before making an updated pBurn.
As I see it right now:
- Replace isolevel 3 with isolevel 4, and remove the Joilet options. Do we need the Rockridge ???? Remove udf as well.
- Keep isolevel 1 for backward compatibility
- Depend on cdrtools ONLY
- burning video, filesystem settings are not available for user, so not any issue with udf here...
This would make it all easier for the user (Less options).
Any opinions?
Sigmund
I will let it all sink in for some time, to think it through before making an updated pBurn.
As I see it right now:
- Replace isolevel 3 with isolevel 4, and remove the Joilet options. Do we need the Rockridge ???? Remove udf as well.
- Keep isolevel 1 for backward compatibility
- Depend on cdrtools ONLY
- burning video, filesystem settings are not available for user, so not any issue with udf here...
This would make it all easier for the user (Less options).
Any opinions?
Sigmund
In my tests using "iso-level 4", I still need Rock Ridge to provide upper/lower case filenames, in Linux.zigbert wrote:Do we need the Rockridge ????
[Edit] Somehow, XP was able to see the full upper/lower case filenames. WITH iso-level 4 but WITHOUT Rock Ridge.
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ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha ... 13.tar.bz2
Could someone make a pet of this package for 32bit? to see if we came reduplicate the success so far for the 32biters still left behind.
Could someone make a pet of this package for 32bit? to see if we came reduplicate the success so far for the 32biters still left behind.
Slacko 5.5 has cdrtools 3.01a08. That should be a good testbed.Ted Dog wrote:ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha ... 13.tar.bz2. Could someone make a pet of this package for 32bit?
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My intention is to keep Rockridge always for level 4 and never for level 1. Like that, there is no option for the user.rcrsn51 wrote:In my tests using "iso-level 4", I still need Rock Ridge to provide upper/lower case filenames, in Linux.zigbert wrote:Do we need the Rockridge ????
[Edit] Somehow, XP was able to see the full upper/lower case filenames.
Sigmund
Yes, imgburn is a good one. It was one of my favorites when I was still addicted to WindowsTed Dog wrote:I think we need some long name support as Rockridge would. UDF would not really be needed from a data point of view. I found that a windows free software runs under wine that will be a workaround if any one wants to make true video player UDF video with in puppy. -
rcrsn51 is right. Rockridge is required not only for long filenames but also for other Unix stuff like permissions, more fine-grained timestamps, symlinks, etc.zigbert wrote:My intention is to keep Rockridge always for level 4 and never for level 1. Like that, there is no option for the user.rcrsn51 wrote:In my tests using "iso-level 4", I still need Rock Ridge to provide upper/lower case filenames, in Linux.zigbert wrote:Do we need the Rockridge ????
[Edit] Somehow, XP was able to see the full upper/lower case filenames.
My recommendation is to *always* enable rockridge (RR) no matter what iso-level you use. It does no harm for compatibility (those who don't understand RR simply ignore it or pretend that it doesn't exist), and the additional space taken is infinitesimal. Anyway, what feature do you plan to offer that makes use of "iso-level 1"?
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