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Re: Updated Flash plugin and OpenJavaRE available

#31 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:
Q5sys wrote:Did you change something with the symlinks for the lib folders? For some reason kvirc wont run now because it hits the symlink for /usr/lib and errors out when its searching for a library
I'm not familiar with kvirc, couldn't find it in the KDE SFS or PPM. Please post a link to the pkgs and terminal o/p errors.

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Deps:
Image

Error:
Image
You can see that it cant find the library even though its clearly included with the SFS package and is mounted into the file system. I dont know if this is because the sfs package has the file at /usr/lib which is a symlink in LHP or not. That's where the program looks for it though, and thats where it's built when the program is compiled.
However I copied the lib to the root app directory and then it'll find it.
But then it spits out the error.

Package:
http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kv ... x86_64.sfs



Possibly related, possibly not.
I can load the kvirc SFS packge with the Load on the Fly utility, however I cannot unload it. Doing so gives the following error:
Image
Which makes testing this very difficult since I have to keep rebooting after I make a change to the SFS.

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KVIrc; /usr/lib64; sfs_load; Sound Card Wizard

#32 Post by tazoc »

Hi Q5sys,
Please try this KVIrc-4.2.0-2-x86_64-1.sfs at
http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64/?C=M;O=D

When building an SFS per Fatdog64 convention, 64-bit app libraries go in /usr/lib64/, not /usr/lib/.

It doesn't matter with Pets or TXZ pkgs because clicking on them or installing with PPM in LH64 is tweaked to move them automatically. Extracting a pkg with right-click -> Extract-txz will do the same.

sfs_load can unload an SFS by right-clicking on the SFS -> sfs_load. It will ask if you want to unload it, click Yes, then the unload will work.

Instead of Multiple Sound Card Wizard, try the standard Sound Card Wizard in the Setup menu. With my setup I choose the second driver in SCW. When it finishes I open Retrovol and tick IEC958 to enable the digital output on my sound card.

Hope that helps,
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Re: KVIrc; /usr/lib64; sfs_load; Sound Card Wizard

#33 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:Hi Q5sys,
Please try this KVIrc-4.2.0-2-x86_64-1.sfs at
http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64/?C=M;O=D
Gives the same error
Image

It it works for you then I've got a conflict somewhere else in my system. That I'll need to track down.
tazoc wrote:sfs_load can unload an SFS by right-clicking on the SFS -> sfs_load. It will ask if you want to unload it, click Yes, then the unload will work.
Tried that, on some SFS packages it works, others it wont. I have no clue what the difference is between why it will or wont.

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#34 Post by edoc »

I finally have a 64-bit laptop!

(Refurbished HP Pavilion g7.)

QUESTION1: Does Lighthouse 64 handle the troublesome EFI/UEFI Microsoft mess embedded in the BIOS?

QUESTION2: We rolled-back the MS install to Win7 (just in case I need to run a radio-related app in an emergency) - does that present any potential problems to a triple-boot (frugal) GRUB menu setup?

QUESTION3: I'd like to also be able to select a 32-bit Puppy. Are dPup Wheezy or Racy 5.1 equally OK = they won't disturb anything in the LH64 setup?

I'm looking forward to getting back to Lighthouse!
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#35 Post by edoc »

edoc wrote:I finally have a 64-bit laptop!

(Refurbished HP Pavilion g7.)

QUESTION1: Does Lighthouse 64 handle the troublesome EFI/UEFI Microsoft mess embedded in the BIOS?
Just found the answer to this question = YES!
edoc wrote: 601 uses Linux kernel 3.7.10 and every kernel since 3.7.9 has contained the fixes to the infernal EFI/UEFI problem.

QUESTION2: We rolled-back the MS install to Win7 (just in case I need to run a radio-related app in an emergency) - does that present any potential problems to a triple-boot (frugal) GRUB menu setup?

QUESTION3: I'd like to also be able to select a 32-bit Puppy. Are dPup Wheezy or Racy 5.1 equally OK = they won't disturb anything in the LH64 setup?

I'm looking forward to getting back to Lighthouse!
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#36 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc,

I tried a complete new save file to test kvirc. Loaded the SFS and got the same error as before. So there must be a conflict with some other SFS I have.
I got a seg fault, but when trying to report it I got a QT error, which makes no sense since the file that isnt found... is exactly where it is.
screen cap http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error3.png
Strace log: http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error.txt

Since the other error was possibly QT related... maybe something is wonky with QT?

Here is a list of the SFS packages I'm using:

4_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-G.sfs
MPlayer-20110624-x86_64-3.sfs
arora-0.11.0-x86_64-1sl.sfs
ntop-5.0.1-x86_64.sfs
OpenJRE-IcedTea-7u21-x86_64.sfs
openshot-1.4.0-x86_64.sfs
Devx-L64_601.sfs
Opera-12.01-x86_64.sfs
filezilla-3.6.0.2-x86_64.sfs
Flash-11.2.202.275-x86_64.sfs
flashplayer-plugin-11.2.202.280-x86_64.sfs
pidgin-2.10.7-x86_64.sfs
glances-1.6.1-1-x86_64.sfs
qbittorrent-3.0.8-x86_64.sfs
Google-chrome-24.0-x86_64-1.sfs
gufw-10.10.1-x86_64.sfs <--- being worked on, doesnt work right.
Gvfs-1.12.3-x86_64-2.sfs
steamclient-1.0.0.36-i386.sfs <--- being worked on, doesnt work right.
kmymoney-4.6.3-i486.sfs <--- being worked on, doesnt work right.
Thunderbird-17.0.3-x86_64-1.sfs
Transmission-2.33-x86_64-1.sfs
TrueCrypt-7.1a-x86_64.sfs
L64-601.sfs
viewnior-1.3-1-x86_64.sfs
lhp601-cli-powerpill.sfs
VLC-2.0.3-x86_64-2.sfs
libreoffice-4.0.2-x86_64_en-US.sfs
Xfce-4.10.0-1-x86_64-1.sfs
xscreensaver-5.15-x86_64.sfs
yakuake-2.9.9-x86_64.sfs

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#37 Post by edoc »

Status report for load on HP Pavilion g7 laptop...

1. Burned an ISO disk (thought I downloaded stock LH but it says Mariner).

2. Disk in drive hit esc then F9 then chose CD/DVD as Boot Device.

3. First try got only a mess of video noise so restarted the process.

4. Before Puppy/LH booted I entered "lhp nomodeset pfix=vesa,ram"

5. WOW!

6. We had already rolled MS Win8 back to 7 and moved HDD space usage around - but I used gparted to extract an 8g Linux Swap partition from the 500g I had formatted as ext3 between the MS partitions and the 420g partition for Linux.

... I will post more after this VERY slow Move process concludes ...
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Comments on L64 601Beta

I Like it very much :D :D

Suggestions & remarks for improvements:
It's the 1st puppy for which I need to change my touchscreen settings, my cursor moves so so slowy, I had to raise the min to 9

I would recommand to update:
* Thunar 1.3 to 1.6 (offers pane view as well)
* GIMP 2.6 to 2.8.4 (simple window view is much more confortable).
* LibreOffice 3.6.1 to 4.0.3 or later (lighter !) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Rel ... .0_release
* Update VLC & ffmpeg 0.11.2 -> ffmpeg 1.2.1 (fix should arrive within a month)
* Update Java
* Update Chrome Browser 24 -> 26 (http://www.technewsdaily.com/17489-chro ... ility.html)
* Gparted 0.9 to 0.16x http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php
* Put Skype as part of the package
* change kernel 3.7 (EOL) to 3.8 https://www.kernel.org/

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#39 Post by edoc »

Back to the install after 7+ hours to adjust the partition via gparted yesterday ...

Lighthouse64 Universal Installer shows only the vfat, ntfs, & ext4 partitions.

It does not show the odd little partition MS created and it does not show the Linux Swap file I created yesterday per the LH64 instructions.

When I choose the sdaGUII associated with the ext4 partition there is no response from LH64 Universal Installer - the install window disappears and I'm back at the main screen.

I have copied the usual three Frugal install files to /sda4 - should I attempt a "Grub2Dos bootloader config" instead?

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#40 Post by rcrsn51 »

@edoc: Your problems sound like they are related to the new GPT partition table that is a part of your UEFI-enabled system.

I believe that you have already tried to disable this and switch to a legacy MBR. Here is another link that may help.

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#41 Post by edoc »

I know that this will shock you :roll: :oops: chuckle ... but I am finding this EFI/UEFI stuff confusing.

Is the Lighthhouse64 Installer supposed to autodetect and install accordingly, EFI or non-EFI or is the process manual?

Or am I wrongly presuming EFI compatibility due to kernel 3.7.10?

GParted shows the following:

/dev/sda1 fat32 100.00 MiB
/dev/sda2 unknown 128.00 MiB
/dev/sda3 ntfs 107.67 MiB
/dev/sda4 linux-swap 9.77 GiB
/dev/sda5 ext3 478.51 GiB
unallocated unallocated 1.34 MiB

I added sda4 & sda5 and the little unallocated space at the end is an anomaly of GParted calculations I suppose.

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#42 Post by rcrsn51 »

If this was a traditional 4-partition table, Gparted should see one of these partitions as extended. Since it does not, it sounds like Gparted is correctly recognizing the GPT.

So the next question is whether GRUB/Grub4Dos can install its boot code into this setup.

BTW, where did the Windows partition go? Sda3 isn't big enough to hold it.
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#43 Post by edoc »

The Ubuntu link you sent is so Ubuntu-centric it's not entirely easy to follow.

Do I read correctly that a Puppy Linux Frugal install will be forced into a fat32 partition?

Also, I get the "boot flag" of this but what is a "GPT disk"?

Thanks!

David
Creating an EFI partition

An EFI partition is necessary to install Ubuntu in EFI mode via the manual Ubuntu installer.

Since Ubuntu 12.04, it is possible to re-use an existing Windows7 EFI partition (without formatting it). If you use a previous version of Ubuntu, or if you have several installations of GNU/Linux in EFI mode, it is safer to create a new EFI partition EFI.

An EFI partition can be created via a recent version of GParted (the Gparted version included in the 12.04 disk is OK), and must have the following attributes:

Mount point: /boot/efi (remark: no need to set this mount point when using the manual partitioning, the Ubuntu installer will detect it automatically)

Size: minimum 100Mib. 200MiB recommended.

Type: FAT32

Other: must be located at the start of a GPT disk, and must have a "boot" flag.
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#44 Post by edoc »

rcrsn51 wrote:If this was a traditional 4-partition table, Gparted should see one of these partitions as extended. Since it does not, it sounds like Gparted is correctly recognizing the GPT.

So the next question is whether GRUB/Grub4Dos can install its boot code into this setup.

BTW, where did the Windows partition go?
The first three are only for MS Win7 (we removed Win8 & "upgraded" to Win7).

MS Win7 appears to operate OK.
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Updated KDE-4.6.5-H, KMyMoney-4.6.3, Transmission-2.75 SFS

#45 Post by tazoc »

KDE-4.6.5-H, KMyMoney-4.6.3, Transmission-2.75 SFS files uploaded.

http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64/?C=M;O=D (most recent) or
http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64 (alphabetical)

KMyMoney requires 5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs.
5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs recommends Gvfs-1.12.3-x86_64-2.sfs. The others include all dependencies.
Q5sys wrote:I tried a complete new save file to test kvirc. Loaded the SFS and got the same error as before. So there must be a conflict with some other SFS I have.
I got a seg fault, but when trying to report it I got a QT error, which makes no sense since the file that isnt found... is exactly where it is.
screen cap http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error3.png
Strace log: http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error.txt

Since the other error was possibly QT related... maybe something is wonky with QT?
Yes, thank you for the SFS list, I have updated the KDE SFS, replacing the outdated Qt-4.7.0 with Qt-4.8.2 and a couple of bug fixes. I think you'll find KVIrc now works. Here is the SFS list I tested with, booting 601 with pfix=ram and selecting these at the 5 sec. boot prompt: (Select and configure SFS.)
  1. 5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs (includes Qt-4.8.2)
  2. Flash-11.2.202.280-x86_64.sfs
  3. Gvfs-1.12.3-x86_64-2.sfs
  4. KMyMoney-4.6.3-1-x86_64-L1.sfs
  5. KVIrc-4.2.0-2-x86_64-1.sfs
  6. Transmission-2.75-x86_64-1.sfs
In Lighthouse64, the SFS files are sorted by basename so that names that begin with a numeral are layered above others. That is why our earlier tests with the Qt-4.8.2.sfs didn't work; (needed to layer Qt above the KDE SFS by prefixing the newer Qt SFS file name with a numeral e.g., 3_Qt-4.8.2.)

@edoc,
Lighthouse64 Universal Installer can only detect and install to Linux or vfat/ntfs partitions. 601 does not have any UEFI support. I am working on installer updates as follows for the next release:

Partition selection dialog scrollable if numerous partitions.
Improved detection of existing installs.
Experimental UEFI boot menu support.
Wine and 32-bit libs moved to extra SFS, (not built-in to base ISO)

Also: GIMP-2.8.4 Image Editor
Pidgin-2.10.7 Internet Messenger
Samba-4.0.5 File sharing
Drives Manager 2.0, updated busybox and more...

@live,
Thank you for the comments and suggestions. Q5sys has built http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/sfs/libre ... _en-US.sfs

JavaRE: http://www.lhpup.org/update/L64-601/Int ... x86_64.pet (also in Lighthouse Update)
or SFS http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64

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#46 Post by edoc »

tazoc,

Thanks for the heads-up!

I misunderstood something I read elsewhere where it was stated that EFI/UEFI support was included in kernels 3.7.9 and more recent.

(I took that to mean that every distro using 3.7.9+ handled EFI/UEFI - I guess the meaning was that the tools were now there but the rest was up to each distro.)

Does this mean that if my laptop BIOS does not provide for disabling EFI/UEFI I cannot install Lighthouse64 until you activate the Beta EFI/UEFI support?

I guess I can boot from DVD for now & use a Savefile to hold my work, perhaps back it up to a dedicated SD card or USB stick.

Is that what you'd recommend, please?

Thanks! David

ps. Nice to see Wine moved to an alternative SFS vs default install, would also like to see Firefox & Claws set-off (with Seamonkey as an alternative default browser-mail app). Just a personal preference - I can always make it so manually. Tnx!
@edoc,
Lighthouse64 Universal Installer can only detect and install to Linux or vfat/ntfs partitions. 601 does not have any UEFI support. I am working on installer updates as follows for the next release:

Partition selection dialog scrollable if numerous partitions.
Improved detection of existing installs.
Experimental UEFI boot menu support.
Wine and 32-bit libs moved to extra SFS, (not built-in to base ISO)
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UEFI support

#47 Post by tazoc »

edoc wrote:Does this mean that if my laptop BIOS does not provide for disabling EFI/UEFI I cannot install Lighthouse64 until you activate the Beta EFI/UEFI support?

I guess I can boot from DVD for now & use a Savefile to hold my work, perhaps back it up to a dedicated SD card or USB stick.

Is that what you'd recommend, please?
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If you need UEFI or Secure boot, (or need a 3.8 kernel) I'd recommend Fatdog64. The UEFI support in the next LH64 release is based on Fatdog 620's but I don't yet have a machine to fully test it with, only VirtualBox. I would appreciate any beta testers that have a UEFI machine to let me know if I can PM you with a testing ISO when it's ready.

Here are some helpful links:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/latest.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... drive.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... -boot.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/

http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/

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Re: Updated KDE-4.6.5-H, KMyMoney-4.6.3, Transmission-2.75 SFS

#48 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:KDE-4.6.5-H, KMyMoney-4.6.3, Transmission-2.75 SFS files uploaded.

http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64/?C=M;O=D (most recent) or
http://www.lhpup.org/sfs/601-x86_64 (alphabetical)

KMyMoney requires 5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs.
5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs recommends Gvfs-1.12.3-x86_64-2.sfs. The others include all dependencies.
Q5sys wrote:I tried a complete new save file to test kvirc. Loaded the SFS and got the same error as before. So there must be a conflict with some other SFS I have.
I got a seg fault, but when trying to report it I got a QT error, which makes no sense since the file that isnt found... is exactly where it is.
screen cap http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error3.png
Strace log: http://puppy-linux.org/lhp601/errors/kvirc-error.txt

Since the other error was possibly QT related... maybe something is wonky with QT?
Yes, thank you for the SFS list, I have updated the KDE SFS, replacing the outdated Qt-4.7.0 with Qt-4.8.2 and a couple of bug fixes. I think you'll find KVIrc now works. Here is the SFS list I tested with, booting 601 with pfix=ram and selecting these at the 5 sec. boot prompt: (Select and configure SFS.)
  1. 5_KDE-4.6.5-x86_64-H.sfs (includes Qt-4.8.2)
  2. Flash-11.2.202.280-x86_64.sfs
  3. Gvfs-1.12.3-x86_64-2.sfs
  4. KMyMoney-4.6.3-1-x86_64-L1.sfs
  5. KVIrc-4.2.0-2-x86_64-1.sfs
  6. Transmission-2.75-x86_64-1.sfs
In Lighthouse64, the SFS files are sorted by basename so that names that begin with a numeral are layered above others. That is why our earlier tests with the Qt-4.8.2.sfs didn't work; (needed to layer Qt above the KDE SFS by prefixing the newer Qt SFS file name with a numeral e.g., 3_Qt-4.8.2.)
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar! Thank you once again for your tireless work on improving LightHousePup. I dont think I have any free time, but I might on Wednesday. Hopefully everything will be perfect.
I'm also planning on building the newest Nvidia driver that came out this week. So hopefully that'll go smoothly as well.

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Re: UEFI support

#49 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:
edoc wrote:Does this mean that if my laptop BIOS does not provide for disabling EFI/UEFI I cannot install Lighthouse64 until you activate the Beta EFI/UEFI support?

I guess I can boot from DVD for now & use a Savefile to hold my work, perhaps back it up to a dedicated SD card or USB stick.

Is that what you'd recommend, please?
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Thanks! David
If you need UEFI or Secure boot, (or need a 3.8 kernel) I'd recommend Fatdog64. The UEFI support in the next LH64 release is based on Fatdog 620's but I don't yet have a machine to fully test it with, only VirtualBox. I would appreciate any beta testers that have a UEFI machine to let me know if I can PM you with a testing ISO when it's ready.

Here are some helpful links:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/latest.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... drive.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... -boot.html
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/

http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/

-TaZoC
I 'think' my new motherboard for my new system has UEFI as an option.
ASUS Z9PE-D16/2L
If it does, once I get it all put together I'll be able to test the UEFI loader.
Its in the mail to me right now and should arrive on Wednesday, but my processors dont get ordered till tomorrow, so I'll probably get them early next week.
Can't wait to get that thing built!

EDIT:
Board and CPU coolers arrived in the mail today!

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Help with Remastering

#50 Post by helplessHack »

Hello all, I am having quite some trouble getting a remaster to work. To begin with, let me say:
1) I am still rather wet behind the ears with both Puppy and Linux in general, though I could be more at the intermediate level depending on who you ask!
2) I have googled this issue as well as searched through this forum for help with this issue and have come across no answers so far. If this is a known issue and has previously been dealt with, I apologize up front. A kind referral to the page where my answers exist would be great.
3) This might be an issue with Puppy more than an issue with Lighthouse specifically, I don't know.

So, here are my system specs - Lenovo laptop with Core i5-3210M, 6GB RAM, and not using discrete graphics.

The automated remaster script completes every time and I make an iso with it which I then put onto a USB stick. When I boot with my custom disc, everything seems to go fine until X tries to start. I get the message about "X being started by /usr/bin/xwin..." at the top of the screen, but then I get a message that says, "Exited from X to command line" plus the help blurb telling how to start a different window manager and how to run the xorg wizard. I've tried every option given to me by this message - xwin, xwin jwm, xwin openbox, xorgwizard, and xorgwizard-puppy. When I go to xorgwizard-puppy, I choose probe hardware and have picked both options it gives me (my screen's native res at both 16 & 24). No matter what I do, I keep getting sent back to "exited from X to command line." I have tried selecting both yes and no at the point in the script where it talks about customizing the /etc directory. I have tried copying all data from /root to /tmp/root and /etc to /tmp/etc at the proper times. I have run the remaster script both with SFSs loaded and not. And, btw I do save my session to a partition on my hard drive before running the remaster script (I think that that is required before you can remaster anyway, isn't it?). I just noticed this morning, while attempting this for the umpteenth time, that when I run xorgwizard-puppy at the command line it correctly identifies my video hardware but it says that the driver is unknown. I do know that it also correctly identifies and loads an intel driver when I run it off an unmodified disc.

What am I doing wrong? My guess is that the remaster process is not saving the intel driver or not saving the fact that am I using this driver. If that is the case, then I will need some instruction on how to manually add and/or configure that. Or maybe something else is going wrong. Or, more likely, I keep borking it with some kind of newb mistake. Anybody have any ideas? I think I will try the "manual remaster" process discussed here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=53241 while I wait for a response to this post and see if that changes anything. Of course, this version is still in beta, so that could have something to do with it also?

Oh yes, I would also like to say that, despite this and other issues I've had to tackle in the past, Puppy rocks!!! And Lighthouse Pup truly is a beacon in the stormy M$ seas.

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