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flamehazeshana13

Joined: 11 Jan 2013
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 07:53    Post subject: Help me!  

First of all Great Pup, I've longed for an ArchLinux installation but don't have much bandwidth or I'm just too lazy.. So thanks for this! Smile

Kind of a noob question, how do you change the video drivers in this Pup. I have an old PC and an old video card NVIDIA GeForce MX4000, I had no luck in Compiling the official driver as I think it is not compatible with the Xorg version included (my computers getting old.. Embarassed ,no it IS old Laughing ) , the reason I'd like to have the drivers is because I use it for developing games, multimedia development stuff and gaming (light gaming of course)

If anybody has luck compiling the official drivers please inform me, if the official driver just won't cut it, I think I'll settle down for the NOUVEAU driver. But I don't know how to install this too Embarassed , I have packages but don't know how to configure them. I became too used to XORGWIZARD Laughing . I tried using XORGWIZARD by getting them from my previous Slacko but Xorg breaks as it screws up xorg.conf ; so if anybody has the same problem or anything near it and has found a solution please please please inform me immediately! BTW the NVIDIA official drivers and NOUVEAU drivers works like a charm in my previous Slacko 5.4 Installation.

oh BTW this is my PC specs (aging computer Embarassed ) if needed and if anyone is interested in finding a solution:

ArchPup 13.2
3.06Ghz Intel Celeron Processor
256MB RAM DDR2
NVIDIA GeForce MX4000 128MB
Realtek AC'97 Audio Card

Thanks and Cheers for ArchPup Very Happy
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simargl

Joined: 11 Feb 2013
Posts: 572

PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 08:58    Post subject:  

Hi flamehazeshana13 and thanks for using Archpup Cool

I also had nvidia graphic card, and after Xorg upgrade to 1.10 it became incompatible (that is reason why I left Arch Linux)

Tried to use nouveau driver but it wasn't very stable at that time, monitor would sometime start to flicker or even poweroff, 3D acceleration worked but everything was too dark and with lower FPS than using standard nvidia driver, so I switched to one slackware based distibution

Now, all of this relates to nvidia 96 driver - that will definitely not work, unfortunately we can't do anything about it, if nvidia decide not to support own company products..

Still, if you need newer drivers than 96 series, they are probably well supported and they should work
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stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 09:16    Post subject:  

i got an old nvidia card that uses the same driver. it's hard to get it to work but it can work by installing from the archpup repo the package 'downgrade'....and downgrading xorg-server and xf86-input-evdev, to older versions.....and then compiling and installing the proprietary nvidia driver. i'm messing around with it right now and will post the solution when i get it working.
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xstylezx

Joined: 14 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 12:19    Post subject:  

Im on Nvidia 6150se and the graphics driver on archpup for me is just terrible. I haven't had any luck, with nouveau or nvidia driver myself. I can't get correct monitor resolution with nvidiafb in use. Thats what it tells me is in use for driver. I will watch this carefully and hopefully someone gets a decent working solution for either nouveau or nvidia. The only issues at all I really have with archpup is this driver problem and also a udev problem that I haven't been able to iron down yet, other than it seems to flag any hardware that it can't find drivers for and if I don't delete these folders it seems to not correctly save to my savefile.

So basically if I don't go into udev folder and delete a couple folders with strange names then when i restart it will attempt to save to savefile but wont be able to locate the content of these folders and will throw up errors. If I delete the folders before restart everything proceeds and saves as normal. I have to remember to delete the folders before every restart or it wont save. I've had this same issue from the very first archpup to the current version. I've posted about it here before but my posts always go ignored. It is amazing to me that not even one other single person has this problem.....any ideas??
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 13:00    Post subject:  

I'm able to get xorg-server and xf86-input-evdev downgraded and working using the nv driver, but can't try it with the proprietary nvidia-96xx driver because the driver won't compile. it appears to be something with the linux-3.4.28_src.sfs file. i tried installing the default 3.7.5 linux-headers and can get a little further using that source....but of course, not far enough to successfully compile the nvidia.ko module.

xstylezx wrote:
I can't get correct monitor resolution with nvidiafb in use. Thats what it tells me is in use for driver.


i ran into this as well. rivafb.ko or nvidiafb.ko was grabbing the nvidia card before nv could. so i unsquashed the main.sfs....deleted the folders that holds the .ko files:

/lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia
/lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/kernel/drivers/video/riva

and resquashed the main.sfs. nv then has a chance to grab the nvidia card and your screen resolution should be normal after this.
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simargl

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 14:55    Post subject:  

@xstylezx, I went to www.nvidia.com to search for 6150SE graphic card drivers

Seems like it is version 173, and it has support for xorg-server 1.13
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-173.14.36-driver.html

Did you try to compile that one?
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simargl

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 05:41    Post subject:  

ArchPup 13.2.2 will be released very soon, if you think something should be added/removed/fixed add your comments today.

For next version gtk3 will be default - most of the programs support it already (spacefm, sakura, lxtask, yad....), and gtk2-only
applications (geany ?) will be replaced.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 09:37    Post subject:  

i'm still wondering if anyone has installed 'any' of the nvidia drivers. not nv or nouveau, the proprietary one...that's made by the company. from the old one, to the newer one....

i don't think any of the nvidia drivers are installing. 173, 275, 304.....can someone confirm if this is correct or not...
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666philb


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 09:46    Post subject:  

When I installed the nVida driver from source, the driver compiled ok and seemed to install, however when x started I had no mouse or keyboard...
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simargl

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:00    Post subject:  

666philb, on last question after it was installed "do you wan to run nvidia-xconfig" did you answer yes or no.

Maybe you could try to answer "no" there, I remember there was a problem with starting Xorg if these lines are missing from xorg.conf
Quote:
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
Option "AutoEnableDevices" "true"
EndSection

No guarantee it will work this way either, but maybe nvidia-xconfig is overwriting those lines and that's why keyboard and mouse are not recognized
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:53    Post subject:  

the old 96xx module will build if you filemnt the saluki kernel source, extract the nvidia source files and cd into the nvidia source directory usr/src/nv and execute the command:

Code:
[root@KMCs_Laptop3 nv]# make SYSSRC=/mnt/+mnt+home+kernel_sources-3.2.8-ski.sfs/usr/src/linux module


but it will not using archpup's kernel source like this:

Code:
[root@KMCs_Laptop3 nv]# make SYSSRC=/lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/build module


it says:

Code:
[root@KMCs_Laptop3 nv]# make SYSSRC=/lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/build module
Makefile:332: /lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/build/Rules.make: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/3.4.28-ARCHPUP/build/Rules.make'.  Stop.
make: *** [module] Error 2
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simargl

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:26    Post subject:  

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.23-driver.html
nvidia96 support xorg-server older than 1.12, so by default it will not work even if module did compile, but I was interested to see why that happens

Tried to compile it and got the same error as you, indeed /usr/src/linux-3.4.28/Rules.make is not there

Newer nvidia driver 173.14.36, with same command compiles successfully..
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:33    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.23-driver.html
nvidia96 support xorg-server older than 1.12, so by default it will not work even if module did compile, but I was interested to see why that happens

Tried to compile it and got the same error as you, indeed /usr/src/linux-3.4.28/Rules.make is not there

Newer nvidia driver 173.14.36, with same command compiles successfully..


That's true sim, that file is not there. but it's also not there in the saluki kernel source either, yet and still...the module compiles successfully.

also true that the 96xx nvidia module uses an older xorg-server...but that can be resolved by downgrading xorg-server to version 1.10, and also downgrading xf86-input-evdev to version 2.4 i believe. i've done it numerous times on arch linux and it works. it will work on archpup as well, just have to get the module to compile.
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666philb


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 13:35    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
666philb, on last question after it was installed "do you wan to run nvidia-xconfig" did you answer yes or no.

Maybe you could try to answer "no" there, I remember there was a problem with starting Xorg if these lines are missing from xorg.conf
Quote:
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
Option "AutoEnableDevices" "true"
EndSection

No guarantee it will work this way either, but maybe nvidia-xconfig is overwriting those lines and that's why keyboard and mouse are not recognized


yes choosing no worked thanks Smile

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simargl

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 17:50    Post subject:  

New iso version 13.2.2 is available with some packages upgraded, archpup repository added into pacman.conf, plus
new audio player musique http://flavio.tordini.org/musique.

@666philb: Ok, I'm glad it's working now Razz
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