(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Version 13.2.1 released 2013/02/11
Project homepage and description: http://sourceforge.net/projects/archpup/

Current changes/fixes:
- Added linux-headers to IgnorePkg in pacman.conf
- Removed Change wallpaper from menu.xml
- Compiled new Qt package and got it 8.5MB smaller, iso size is now 141.6MB (reduced for almost 7MB)
- Small modifications in gtk2 theme
- Obshutdown is new logout dialog
- lxrandr for setting screen resolutions

Recommended forum posts:
Instructions for using spkg package manager Look here
XFCE and KDE add-ons made by stifiling

Latest releases:
Standard iso image (142MB)
Minimal iso image (80MB)
Kernel source (77MB)
Development sfs module (72MB)
Native language support for non-english users (18MB)

simargl8 wrote:Project homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/archpup/

Ideas:
Move to gtk3 and remove qt applications BUT gtk3 has much lesser applications choice.
What's alternative for SMPlayer and its option for subtitle download, then Evince for example is 5 times slower (subjective view)
compared to qpdfview.

So, maybe it's better to leave qt in but recompile it to reduce its size. If there are some experts your help is welcome.
Look here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84234

always look forward to a new version to play around with.
As for QT... I'd love to get input on how to trim it down. I know when I compiled v4 it was huge, but someone managed to make a package that was like 12mb. I dont know what they cut out... but id love to know how they did it.

Hopefully someone will chime in with some good info.

simargl8 wrote: Ideas:
Move to gtk3 and remove qt applications BUT gtk3 has much lesser applications choice.

Before we go to that, is there any place for bug reports, usability issues for 13.2? (source forge does not look very inviting/usable)
Is 13.2.1 is going to be a bug fix/minor update of 13.2 or a new beast?

BTW, is there a kernel source SFS for 13.2?

mavrothal wrote:BTW, is there a kernel source SFS for 13.2?

I have kernel source, but will upload it later (with 13.2.1)
Reason: I added linux and linux-api-headers in pacman.conf IgnorePkg list, but
forgot linux-headers. linux-headers-3.4.28 is provided with kernel source sfs,
and when you load it pacman want to upgrade package to 3.7.5

You have probably noticed that in new version program DeadBeef http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
is missing. To explain why... deadbeef package from Arch is using gtk3 that I wanted to avoid, and use gtk2
for all programs if it's possible. When making packages for this version 13.2, deadbeef failed to compile, so I
removed it from packages list and thought - no problem there is SMPlayer to play audio files.
Now I remembered that, and want to try fixing deadbeef compilation errors. Here is error when compiling stops: After some google search, it looks like this is related to iconv. Indeed in configure output is I will attach full config.log.
The same configure options are used without problems in version 12.12 (with glibc-2.16), looks like something
has changed in glibc-2.17. Any ideas?

not sure sim, but what about audacious? it's abt half the size of deadbeef. it's also nice. these are some apps (or similar) that i think should be added to archapps to give a full desktop/live cd setup.

audacious
gparted
galculator
xfburn
remmina remote desktop
screenshot
pidgin

and maybe a cpl cheesy games.

back dating the packages to the date of 12.12 isn't a bad idea either. it's still extremely new. on 12.12 xfce panel is able to autohide, in 13.2 with the new packages...something's got it completely freezing, or killing the xfce4-session...which sends it into an endless 'archpupx' loop.

stifiling,
Using adrv_xfce.sfs
for me xfce panel autohide works without problems for both top and bottom panel
it does not make X server to crash. I noticed something more - volume control in panel shows
muted sound. Problem is that alsa service from /etc/init.d/ could not start, with this error It is because I moved alsa lib and utils to adrv_openbox, after users suggested that someone
might prefer to use pulse audio instead of alsa.
Later
I see you also added alsa-lib, but not alsa-utils. So, add it for next version, and ignore related lines above
Logout dialog looks nice, is it oblogout?

ok, that's a breath of fresh air. maybe it's something with my system. i'll make those adjustments in the xfce.sfs. but yes, the logout app is "obshutdown".

I just made a post on the Arch Linux forums. Goal is to generate interest from this audience also, since the system is presently made with them in mind.

simargl8 wrote: The same configure options are used without problems in version 12.12 (with glibc-2.16), looks like something
has changed in glibc-2.17

There is certainly some issue with glibc-2.17 and language/UTF8 support.
As mentioned elsewhere locale, localdef, envsubst are reported as "can not be found" in a fresh boot.
Did you try to reinstall glibc with pacman? This will eliminate any mishap during build.

PS: Here is an informative post about glibc upgrades

While Qt is compiling I will take some time to write tutorial for using spkg package manager
and builder. Will add link to first post later.
For Qt I added some configure options found in slitaz and in slax, but kept all 4 patches
like in original Arch package, ... so we'll see what's gonna happen.

Edit: Instructions for using spkg package manager
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84257

stifiling wrote:not sure sim, but what about audacious? it's abt half the size of deadbeef. it's also nice. these are some apps (or similar) that i think should be added to archapps to give a full desktop/live cd setup.

audacious
gparted
galculator
xfburn
remmina remote desktop
screenshot
pidgin

and maybe a cpl cheesy games.

back dating the packages to the date of 12.12 isn't a bad idea either. it's still extremely new. on 12.12 xfce panel is able to autohide, in 13.2 with the new packages...something's got it completely freezing, or killing the xfce4-session...which sends it into an endless 'archpupx' loop.

Very Good Suggestion from Stiffing. More small programs should be provided from other puppy variants. QT may be removed. This may be given separate package.

Qt definitely stays inside, it's superior in many ways.
From stifiling's list I will add galculator, possibly gparted (I'm in dilemma about it), not any others.

I've just finished making archlocale_132.sfs. That single file contains all locale files from
/usr/share/locale for all converted packages from Arch and packages compiled in ArchPup.
That means not only graphical applications, but also console based like wget, sed... and
off course pacman.

Will start uploading this file to sourceforge as first one for 13.2.1 release.
This can be used in version 13.2, after you enable needed locale or locales as described in Help file.

Edit: It is uploaded, and pending before moving to sourceforge mirrors...

Anyone knows why clicking on URL in about dialog works for all Qt applications,
and spaceFM file manager, but does not work in most of Gtk2 programs.
I don't care that much for this, only that it is annoying.
For geany in also works, for viewnior doesn't with error: Could not show link Operation not supported.

Here's latest info, and I think it's going to be great addition
What I want to mention is new package lxrandr, graphical frontend for xrandr http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXRandR
That means changing screen resolution in a second

Version 13.2.1 is finished
Here is list of files for upload:

simargl8 wrote:Version 13.2.1 is finished
Here is list of files for upload:

Super
Does it needs a new savefile or it can update 13.2?

There's no need for a new savefile, only iso version is changed.
Now I have to upload iso file again after discovering problem with starting network loopback
from /etc/init.d/network.
md5 files downloaded earlier are now useless, just to remind you to repeat the procedure ...

Hi simargl/simargl8,
Very glad to see that you are back with full steam

BTW, seems version 13.2.1 is still not uploaded to http://sourceforge.net/projects/archpup/files/13.2.1/. Found only the md5 files and the archlocale_132.sfs

Cheers.