BareBones Puppies & BABYies
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Hi, Sadly I just revised all the download links on the original post. 
As most of you probably know Russoodle's Meownplanet website was destroyed by malicious hackers. I want to thank her for all her hard work and the support she has given the Puppy community. Its much appreciated 
Its a shame the Forces of Good (Linux community) should be subject to these kind of attacks by the Forces of Evil. (Enough on that subject here. It belongs in the paranoia section of the forum).
Oh yeah, I've uploaded all the ISO's to google drive (dealing with the devil) and when I tried downloading it gave me a message about the ISO being too big to scan for viruses, did I want to download anyway? Trust me, there aren't any viruses in these Puppies.
As most of you probably know Russoodle's Meownplanet website was destroyed by malicious hackers. I want to thank her for all her hard work and the support she has given the Puppy community. Its much appreciated Its a shame the Forces of Good (Linux community) should be subject to these kind of attacks by the Forces of Evil. (Enough on that subject here. It belongs in the paranoia section of the forum).Oh yeah, I've uploaded all the ISO's to google drive (dealing with the devil) and when I tried downloading it gave me a message about the ISO being too big to scan for viruses, did I want to download anyway? Trust me, there aren't any viruses in these Puppies.
" When I tried downloading wary bare bones it would get about a third
of the way done and then restarted. It happened 4 times "
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polekat:
I moved recently and have a much slower connection
here in OZ than I had.
But as a test I downloaded this in about 3and a half minutes.
Using this download....wary-5.3-barebones.iso
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0uge_i ... dudVU/edit
Done >>> as I typed.
I would question your connection,
firewall...av....whatever.
i didn't look at your OS specs etc.
Anyway mate...welcome to puppy.
Chris.
of the way done and then restarted. It happened 4 times "
"""""""
polekat:
I moved recently and have a much slower connection
here in OZ than I had.
But as a test I downloaded this in about 3and a half minutes.
Using this download....wary-5.3-barebones.iso
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0uge_i ... dudVU/edit
Done >>> as I typed.
I would question your connection,
firewall...av....whatever.
i didn't look at your OS specs etc.
Anyway mate...welcome to puppy.
Chris.
Well I just tried again with the same results. Gets to about 30% downloaded and resets back to zero where it starts again.I tried precise barebones last night with the same results. I 'm running precise 5.5 with the default firewall. 3.2ghtz pentium 4 and 4gigs memory. It's no big deal ,I can wait for it to show up on some mirror. Just curious if any one else was running into the same b/s. I do like the recent puppy uploads over at archive.org, much better folks than the google vampires.
edit : I think it may be the Opera browser I use, I got a unsupported browser warning using your link and then it wouldn't even start the download. Google sucks.
edit : I think it may be the Opera browser I use, I got a unsupported browser warning using your link and then it wouldn't even start the download. Google sucks.
I was asked by partsman to upload some of my barebones ISOs from the collection
I decided to put them in one place, http://www.archive.org/details/PuppyLinux_barebones so you could try downloading from there
I decided to put them in one place, http://www.archive.org/details/PuppyLinux_barebones so you could try downloading from there
5.3 BABYbarebonesXvesa
Hi jrb.
I have downloaded and installed wary 5.3 BABYbarebonesXvesa without a hitch and would like to download and install the latest firefox browser for wary using windows.
I have tried to install a Puppy Linux firefox-25.pet which did not work with wary. Threrefor I would like to download and install firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 using the PPM. Unfortunately I need to manually install firefox because I cannot without a browser alwredy installed in wary access the internet.
My question is : what is the ftp.nluug.nl address if I would like
to download firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 -- the same address as with the wary 5.3. PPM, presuming that this is the latest firefox version available for wary 5.3.BABYbarebonesXvesa ??
Thanks for your help.
I have downloaded and installed wary 5.3 BABYbarebonesXvesa without a hitch and would like to download and install the latest firefox browser for wary using windows.
I have tried to install a Puppy Linux firefox-25.pet which did not work with wary. Threrefor I would like to download and install firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 using the PPM. Unfortunately I need to manually install firefox because I cannot without a browser alwredy installed in wary access the internet.
My question is : what is the ftp.nluug.nl address if I would like
to download firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 -- the same address as with the wary 5.3. PPM, presuming that this is the latest firefox version available for wary 5.3.BABYbarebonesXvesa ??
Thanks for your help.
Re: 5.3 BABYbarebonesXvesa
Hi TIW, Glad to hear you were able to download. I don't understand why you need a browser to download with PPM.TIW wrote:Hi jrb.
I have downloaded and installed wary 5.3 BABYbarebonesXvesa without a hitch and would like to download and install the latest firefox browser for wary using windows.
I have tried to install a Puppy Linux firefox-25.pet which did not work with wary. Threrefor I would like to download and install firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 using the PPM. Unfortunately I need to manually install firefox because I cannot without a browser alwredy installed in wary access the internet.
My question is : what is the ftp.nluug.nl address if I would like
to download firefox-4-4.0-1-w5 -- the same address as with the wary 5.3. PPM, presuming that this is the latest firefox version available for wary 5.3.BABYbarebonesXvesa ??
Thanks for your help.
I am in a fresh install of Wary53BBBXvesa and I have just used PPM to install firefox4-4.01. I'm typing in it now. I used the search window in PPM to search out and install firefox. I also had to search out and install sqlite-3.7.14 and hunspell-1.2.12 to make firefox run. I downloaded all three from the ftp.nluug.nl server when PPM gave me the choices. Are you sure you're internet connection is working? I can give you the links to the above .pets but you should be able to get them through PPM.
Let me know what happens.
Cheers, J
I have just downloaded precise-5.4.3-barebones-0.2.iso, burned it to a CD, and run it successfully. It appears that there is no browser in the package since nothing comes up when I click "browse" on the desktop. From what I glean from reading some posts here, I should get the desired browser package (Firefox in my case) using another pc, copy it to precise 5.4.3 barebones, unpack it somewhere (btw is there an unpacking utility included in barebones?), and run its executable from there. Am I right on this? Furthermore, what do I need to do to be able to open the browser by clicking on the "browse" icon/shortcut on my desktop? Finally, does the out-of-the-box precise 5.4.3 barebones come with some utility that allows downloading from the Ubuntu software repositories directly?
Hi kpfuser, Welcome to Puppy.kpfuser wrote:I have just downloaded precise-5.4.3-barebones-0.2.iso, burned it to a CD, and run it successfully. It appears that there is no browser in the package since nothing comes up when I click "browse" on the desktop. From what I glean from reading some posts here, I should get the desired browser package (Firefox in my case) using another pc, copy it to precise 5.4.3 barebones, unpack it somewhere (btw is there an unpacking utility included in barebones?), and run its executable from there. Am I right on this? Furthermore, what do I need to do to be able to open the browser by clicking on the "browse" icon/shortcut on my desktop? Finally, does the out-of-the-box precise 5.4.3 barebones come with some utility that allows downloading from the Ubuntu software repositories directly?
I gather from what you have asked that you are new to Puppy? Barebones is not the easiest way to learn Puppy but here is the easiest answer to your question.
I suggest downloading ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 0-i386.pet with another OS. It has the fewest dependencies of any of the major browsers and will work right away in Barebones.(I'm typing in it now in a fresh install of Barebones Precise) Place it on your harddrive somewhere easy to access, C: if using windows. Start Puppy, find the Opera.pet and click on it. It will install, Opera will be on the menu in the internet category and when you open it you will be looking at the Puppy LInux home page.
As for making the Browse icon work, go to /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser and right-click on it. Choose open as text. In the case of opera, replace "mozstart" with "opera" and it will now open Opera. If you get a Firefox.pet running it may do this automatically or you may have to replace "mozstart" with "firefox".
There is a way to access the Ubuntu repo's. Its in the install icon on the desktop but do be aware that almost all packages that you install will have dependencies, most of which are not in Barebones and many of which are not in Full Puppy. Identifying the dependencies and installing them can be arduous.
I suggest downloading .pets, either from the "install" icon or from the Puppy forum to start with. See how that works out and then try installing Ubuntu packages.Good Luck,
Cheers, JHi jrb,
Thank you for your quick reply, your warm welcome, and your encouraging words. Nevertheless, despite the above, I am sorry to say that your post added a new big disappointment with Puppy to a string of older ones.
To clarify matters, I was led to believe that I could update software (Firefox mostly) by using the Ubuntu repositories and thus keep my installation current so as to avoid the multiple problems I am experiencing now because of a hopelessly outdated version of Firefox. However, your post put paid to such foolish dreams.
Anyway, since life with Puppy seems to be an endless string of compromises and work-arounds, let's see if anything can be salvaged from today's shipwreck with your kind help. For starters, is it possible to install a recent version of Firefox in a manner analogous to the one you describe for Opera? In fact, any manner whatsoever will do as long as I end up with the most recent version of Firefox and no unresolved dependencies. If I can get as far as this, perhaps my resolve will be rekindled allowing me to better cope with the travails that will undoubtedly follow. So what is the verdict?
Thank you for your quick reply, your warm welcome, and your encouraging words. Nevertheless, despite the above, I am sorry to say that your post added a new big disappointment with Puppy to a string of older ones.
To clarify matters, I was led to believe that I could update software (Firefox mostly) by using the Ubuntu repositories and thus keep my installation current so as to avoid the multiple problems I am experiencing now because of a hopelessly outdated version of Firefox. However, your post put paid to such foolish dreams.
Anyway, since life with Puppy seems to be an endless string of compromises and work-arounds, let's see if anything can be salvaged from today's shipwreck with your kind help. For starters, is it possible to install a recent version of Firefox in a manner analogous to the one you describe for Opera? In fact, any manner whatsoever will do as long as I end up with the most recent version of Firefox and no unresolved dependencies. If I can get as far as this, perhaps my resolve will be rekindled allowing me to better cope with the travails that will undoubtedly follow. So what is the verdict?
OK, if that's what you have to have here is how to do it.kpfuser wrote:Hi jrb,
Thank you for your quick reply, your warm welcome, and your encouraging words. Nevertheless, despite the above, I am sorry to say that your post added a new big disappointment with Puppy to a string of older ones.
To clarify matters, I was led to believe that I could update software (Firefox mostly) by using the Ubuntu repositories and thus keep my installation current so as to avoid the multiple problems I am experiencing now because of a hopelessly outdated version of Firefox. However, your post put paid to such foolish dreams.
Anyway, since life with Puppy seems to be an endless string of compromises and work-arounds, let's see if anything can be salvaged from today's shipwreck with your kind help. For starters, is it possible to install a recent version of Firefox in a manner analogous to the one you describe for Opera? In fact, any manner whatsoever will do as long as I end up with the most recent version of Firefox and no unresolved dependencies. If I can get as far as this, perhaps my resolve will be rekindled allowing me to better cope with the travails that will undoubtedly follow. So what is the verdict?
Go to https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla. ... inux-i686/. Download whatever version of Firefox 27 you prefer. Put it in a place that is easy to access.
Start Barebones Precise. Find firefox-27.0.1.tar.bz2 and click on it. When you extract it you will have a folder called firefox. Go into the folder and click on the firefox executable and you will be online with the latest stable firefox. I've just done all this and it is running fine.
To set up the browse icon first right click on the firefox executable referred to above, choose Rename.(don't rename it!) Instead highlight everything in the rename box. In my case /mnt/home/firefox/firefox. Once highlighted right click on it and choose Copy.
Now go to /usr/local/bin and right click on defaultbrowser. Choose Open as Text. Get rid of mozstart and paste in what you have copied from Rename. Now the browse button will open firefox.
One Caution: if the firefox folder is on the partition that you are going to save your pupsave to then you should create your pupsave first before changing defaultbrowser! The path to the executable will change after creating a pupsave.
I won't describe how to put firefox on the menu, that is much more complicated and I don't have time right now.
Its been a while since I used Firefox or Seamonkey this way but as I recall they will automatically nag you to update. If not go to Help - About Firefox and it will automatically check to see if you have the latest version and offer to update for you.
That should do it. Good Luck. J
The pup closest to Ubuntu precise and alternatives
Hi kpfuser,
As jrb pointed out, barebones puppies are least likely to have built-in the dependencies which Ubuntu applications require to function. I'd add that the absence of dependencies is true for all puppies: its just more obvious in "barebones" versions which, by design, have left out files standard puppies contain.
A "Ubuntu compatible" puppy is not a stripped down "Ubuntu". It is a Puppy built from ubuntu binaries which --if you install all the necessary dependencies-- should be able to run a Ubuntu application which would run under the version of Ubuntu from which the binaries were obtained. The creators of Ubuntu applications, however, assume that the Ubuntu they are building for will have built-in the standard files of that version of Ubuntu. Often, this means the gnome desktop, and all the files required for that desktop to function. Or the KDE, Xfce or Lxde desktop.
The least resource consuming Ubuntu, requires (I think) about 4 Gb or hard-drive to install. A standard Puppy comes as a compressed file of about 150 Mb, give or take 50 Mb, which expands into Random Access Memory requiring (give or take) about three times its size. To go from Ubuntu to Puppy, something has to give, and those somethings are primarily the "eye-candy" desktops and the infra-structure to support them, together with Ubuntu's package control system.
Although with a Ubuntu-compatible Pup it is frequently possible to run Ubuntu applications which have few dependencies, sometimes --especially the more complex applications-- that may require you to download and install almost all the .debs which constitute the infra-structure of a Ubuntu.
Don't allow these facts to color your opinion of Puppy. The Ubuntu "brag" of 10,000 plus packages is misleading. Most of those packages are "nuts and bolts", not applications. Currently, about the only activities I can not undertake in Puppy is doing my taxes and running Dragon Naturally Speaking under wine. And I can't do the former under Ubuntu either. Check out the Additional Software section of the forum and you'll find something to fulfill almost any function. Or do a "well-minded search" http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html plugging in the name or category of application and the Puppy version you're interested in.
With the Slacko, Raring, Precise, and especially Carolina Pups able to do almost anything, I'm not sure why you wanted a "barebones" puppy: "lack of RAM?". RAM is cheap, there are video tutorials demonstrating how to install it so that even a klutz like myself could do it. Annoyed by having items on your menu you'll never use? Browse to /usr/share/applications and delete the desktop files. Or better still, open the desktop files in your text editor (right-click the file and select open-as-text) and change the category argument to some meaningless word. Either way, the menu entry is gone. The apps themselves take up almost no hard drive space, and unused no RAM.
Take a good look at Carolina. Unlike most Pups, it's built with an "adrive" which contains most of its applications. But you can run it without the adrive, (just delete it or move it) in which case it will only have the geany text editor and, of course, a package manager and the applications needed to get online; in essense a "barebones" pup. From such barebones Pup you can (1) install any application you want from perhaps the most extensive repo of any Puppy; (2) download SFSes or build them with PaDS (search for it) from pets you've downloaded; and/or (3) build an adrive of just the applications you'll always use. The only downside of Carolina is that it doesn't support the infra-structure (glibs) which will enable Post Version 12 of Chrome (and its cousins) to run.
But if you really want a Precise Puppy which is very compatible with Ubuntu, even to having a fully functioning synaptic built in, try jejy69's lxpup-aptget-test. http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkma ... st_Aptget/
Obtaining a separate firefox menu entry. See, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66237. But jrb's instructions are much easier --thanks jrb, I learned something from you again-- unless you need a separate firefox menu entry. The easiest way if you can put up with desktop clutter and having it often buried under open windows is to just drag the executable from /mnt/home/firefox to the desktop. You can make it prettier by right-clicking the desktop icon, selecting "icon" and dragging an appropriate icon into the dialog box.
mikesLr
As jrb pointed out, barebones puppies are least likely to have built-in the dependencies which Ubuntu applications require to function. I'd add that the absence of dependencies is true for all puppies: its just more obvious in "barebones" versions which, by design, have left out files standard puppies contain.
A "Ubuntu compatible" puppy is not a stripped down "Ubuntu". It is a Puppy built from ubuntu binaries which --if you install all the necessary dependencies-- should be able to run a Ubuntu application which would run under the version of Ubuntu from which the binaries were obtained. The creators of Ubuntu applications, however, assume that the Ubuntu they are building for will have built-in the standard files of that version of Ubuntu. Often, this means the gnome desktop, and all the files required for that desktop to function. Or the KDE, Xfce or Lxde desktop.
The least resource consuming Ubuntu, requires (I think) about 4 Gb or hard-drive to install. A standard Puppy comes as a compressed file of about 150 Mb, give or take 50 Mb, which expands into Random Access Memory requiring (give or take) about three times its size. To go from Ubuntu to Puppy, something has to give, and those somethings are primarily the "eye-candy" desktops and the infra-structure to support them, together with Ubuntu's package control system.
Although with a Ubuntu-compatible Pup it is frequently possible to run Ubuntu applications which have few dependencies, sometimes --especially the more complex applications-- that may require you to download and install almost all the .debs which constitute the infra-structure of a Ubuntu.
Don't allow these facts to color your opinion of Puppy. The Ubuntu "brag" of 10,000 plus packages is misleading. Most of those packages are "nuts and bolts", not applications. Currently, about the only activities I can not undertake in Puppy is doing my taxes and running Dragon Naturally Speaking under wine. And I can't do the former under Ubuntu either. Check out the Additional Software section of the forum and you'll find something to fulfill almost any function. Or do a "well-minded search" http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html plugging in the name or category of application and the Puppy version you're interested in.
With the Slacko, Raring, Precise, and especially Carolina Pups able to do almost anything, I'm not sure why you wanted a "barebones" puppy: "lack of RAM?". RAM is cheap, there are video tutorials demonstrating how to install it so that even a klutz like myself could do it. Annoyed by having items on your menu you'll never use? Browse to /usr/share/applications and delete the desktop files. Or better still, open the desktop files in your text editor (right-click the file and select open-as-text) and change the category argument to some meaningless word. Either way, the menu entry is gone. The apps themselves take up almost no hard drive space, and unused no RAM.
Take a good look at Carolina. Unlike most Pups, it's built with an "adrive" which contains most of its applications. But you can run it without the adrive, (just delete it or move it) in which case it will only have the geany text editor and, of course, a package manager and the applications needed to get online; in essense a "barebones" pup. From such barebones Pup you can (1) install any application you want from perhaps the most extensive repo of any Puppy; (2) download SFSes or build them with PaDS (search for it) from pets you've downloaded; and/or (3) build an adrive of just the applications you'll always use. The only downside of Carolina is that it doesn't support the infra-structure (glibs) which will enable Post Version 12 of Chrome (and its cousins) to run.
But if you really want a Precise Puppy which is very compatible with Ubuntu, even to having a fully functioning synaptic built in, try jejy69's lxpup-aptget-test. http://sourceforge.net/projects/checkma ... st_Aptget/
Obtaining a separate firefox menu entry. See, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66237. But jrb's instructions are much easier --thanks jrb, I learned something from you again-- unless you need a separate firefox menu entry. The easiest way if you can put up with desktop clutter and having it often buried under open windows is to just drag the executable from /mnt/home/firefox to the desktop. You can make it prettier by right-clicking the desktop icon, selecting "icon" and dragging an appropriate icon into the dialog box.
mikesLr
mikeslr & jrb
Thanks for mikeslr's very informative and educational post. I will certainly follow the suggestions made. However, I would like to clarify the following point first: Does the fact that my laptop is a 64-bit machine affect the options available? If yes, how?
I am utterly embarrassed to admit that for about three years (since I bought it) I was not aware of this fact, but somehow it happened.
Thanks for mikeslr's very informative and educational post. I will certainly follow the suggestions made. However, I would like to clarify the following point first: Does the fact that my laptop is a 64-bit machine affect the options available? If yes, how?
I am utterly embarrassed to admit that for about three years (since I bought it) I was not aware of this fact, but somehow it happened.
The majority of machines built in the last 5 years are 64-bit, 32-bit OS's run fine on them. Doesn't work the other way though. A 64-bit OS won't run on a 32-bit machine. 64 is supposed to be a little faster, I've never noticed any difference. My favourite office suite, Softmaker, is only available in 32-bit so I stick with that.kpfuser wrote:mikeslr & jrb
Thanks for mikeslr's very informative and educational post. I will certainly follow the suggestions made. However, I would like to clarify the following point first: Does the fact that my laptop is a 64-bit machine affect the options available? If yes, how?
I am utterly embarrassed to admit that for about three years (since I bought it) I was not aware of this fact, but somehow it happened.