They know when you been sleeping they know when you're awake

[gcmartin]

Please, no one respond on the E. Snowden request. It would derail this thread. And that, I hope is not the reason for the question.

This thread is about the the issue of what governments having been doing when a group in Canada revealed their findings. This thread intends to show how technology is being used without the knowledge by the population of the countries.

I do have an OPINION about Snowden, but this is NOT THE FORUM for those ideas. So appropriately, I post those ideas on those thread design for that kind of discourse.

The Puppy Linux forum is about technical aspects, technical ideas can be exchanged, shared, and engaged, I would think.

What I would like to know, though, is whether there is a forum where we can engage the UN to make this kind of behavior shared across all countries and if the forum can begin to craft a structure for populace transparency where not only can the governments see us, but the technology extends so that populace can see them, too. That would be a worthwhile approach to what we should think of in a democracy.

But, again, that should be taken up outside of this forum.

[R-S-H]

Oh, come on guys.

You are all (I hope so) intelligent people!

How could you be so naive to be surprised on all that stuff like collecting data, spying phone and e-mails etc.?

Really, what do you think the NSA and all the other secret services around the world in each and every country etc. are doing?

Collecting strawberries?

Now, if so, you would surely do believe that each one of you has nothing to do with that stuff, wouldn't you?

Ah, come on. Failed!

It is ALWAYS YOU that makes them industries able to invent all of that technology that is already and still will be used in the future against you and your families: BY BUYING these technologies and using it daily!

If you want to be connected to your friends worldwide, where ever you are, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

And so on, and so on... ... ...

You can't get washed without getting wet (freely translated from what we in Germany say)!

RSH

[jpeps]

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

Actually, I think pizza delivery is an excellent use of drone technology..far better than anything the government has thought of..which is generally always the case.

[R-S-H]

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

Actually, I think pizza delivery is an excellent use of drone technology..far better than anything the government has thought of..which is generally always the case.

Ok, I see.

You are informed about the 600,000,000 € (? ore maybe even more ?) German Bundeswehr Drone Desaster.

[Tote]

I don't get it. You start a thread about technology being used to monitor everything we do online, a news story breaks that seems relevant to the title of the thread and then you ask people not to respond by giving their opinion about Snowden's actions because it would derail the point of the thread??

[greengeek]

Interesting that the powerpoint slide suggests they didn't penetrate Apple till after Steve Jobs relinquished the helm.

I'd be interested to compare the photoIDs of the various I.T professionals who moved into each of those companies during the periods leading up to the Prism "go-Live" dates. And it'd be interesting specifically which brand/model of routers/switches were installed into those companies by those I.T guys.

If you believe there's any truth to it of course...

[nooby]

Have they placed these into linux kernel too?

I usually detest or dislike any conspiracy theory
but I ahve always wondered why Unix are so keen on
to not allow root access. Can it be that if one have it
then one see the secret backdoor open and shut and
by not allowing root then they can let NSA slip in unoticed?

See there that is a folie hat if anything

[green_dome]

Interesting article that I think is relevant to this thread. It mentions: open soure, Hadoop, apache software, big data, government, corportations.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/14/netflix_facebook_and_the_nsa_theyre_all_in_it_together/

[greengeek]

Excellent stuff green_dome. That article is a must-read for anyone who cares anything at all about their data integrity and/or online privacy.

[nooby]

One should have known this way back in 1990 something
so one could have prepared something independent of the big sharks?

[anikin]

In the light of all the recent leaks, big brother's outreach and such, listen to what this guy is saying:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/201 ... ation.html
Sounds interesting, and I do hope his opinion will not derail this thread.

[greengeek]

One should have known this way back in 1990 something
so one could have prepared something independent of the big sharks?

[puppy_apprentice]

poor pigeons don't have any chance against drones ;(

[Moose On The Loose]

I don't get it. You start a thread about technology being used to monitor everything we do online, a news story breaks that seems relevant to the title of the thread and then you ask people not to respond by giving their opinion about Snowden's actions because it would derail the point of the thread??

I just went to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJ2VDTQWSI

and discovered that it took a really long time to load. Could it be that the NSA is trying to block it?

[puppy_apprentice]

and discovered that it took a really long time to load. Could it be that the NSA is trying to block it?

i didn't have this problem, i hope that boys and girls from NSA have sense of humour and will not block jokes about them

[gcmartin]

One of the biggest understandings we need is perceive that the idea of "surveillance" also falls under the heading of security. And, security, today, involves use of computers. Computers are built to manage data and the computer's programs give views or makes decisions based upon that data.

We have grown significantly since the 1950s to what has become the internet of today.

Here is an interview from last week on ideas we can use to maybe have a clearer understanding of what it is that the world needs; to becomes a safe place where data is used responsibly and there is transparency in its use for Public clarity.

A person in this thread ask, indirectly, "shouldn't we have known way back in 1990?"..

Here is a Professor speaking to a Government Panel on just that question. Here is shown someone bringing Public space information and awareness to the powers who could look at citizenry protection.

This thread is not for discussion of that commentary. But, this thread does try to show those things we should understand about security, surveillance and its use of
BIG Data.

This thread should, though, give us some ideas of what we need to plan for in our tomorrow versus feeling like we cannot do anything about it. This thread bring understanding to us.

• Should the tech community rallye around transparency more than it already has?
• Are there other things which should be brought to light for our knowledge in this area?

Security and surveillance versus transparency ... accountability ...

[jpeps]

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• Should the tech community rallye around transparency more than it already has?
• Are there other things which should be brought to light for our knowledge in this area?

Security and surveillance versus transparency ... accountability ...

The problem is members of Congress having to spend up to 70% of their time fundraising. Security decisions reflect what benefits the military-industrial (congressional) complex. Dwight D Eisenhower warned about this in the 1950's, and it's been downhill ever since.

On a similar note, standard procedure for getting health insurance is a mandatory contract such as the following quoted from a major insurer:

Both parties to this contract, by entering into it, are giving up their constitutional rights to have any such dispute decided in a court of law before a jury....

How is this a democracy? Less than 6% of citizens have any faith in Congress.

[greengeek]

Both parties to this contract, by entering into it, are giving up their constitutional rights to have any such dispute decided in a court of law before a jury....

Interesting that it mentions that BOTH parties relinquish their constitutional rights...which suggests a mutual acceptance that financial transactions (money) are more important than ethical standards.

A victory of pragmatism over idealism? Or a corruption of morality?

[jpeps]

Both parties to this contract, by entering into it, are giving up their constitutional rights to have any such dispute decided in a court of law before a jury....

Interesting that it mentions that BOTH parties relinquish their constitutional rights...which suggests a mutual acceptance that financial transactions (money) are more important than ethical standards.

The OTHER is the insurance company which has no interest in justice to begin with, since there won't be an instance where it needs to sue a customer . A common example is severe injury or death because the insurance company delays or denies a critical treatment which you are legally covered for.