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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jun 2013, 20:21    Post subject:  

Please, no one respond on the E. Snowden request. It would derail this thread. And that, I hope is not the reason for the question.

This thread is about the the issue of what governments having been doing when a group in Canada revealed their findings. This thread intends to show how technology is being used without the knowledge by the population of the countries.

I do have an OPINION about Snowden, but this is NOT THE FORUM for those ideas. So appropriately, I post those ideas on those thread design for that kind of discourse.

The Puppy Linux forum is about technical aspects, technical ideas can be exchanged, shared, and engaged, I would think.

What I would like to know, though, is whether there is a forum where we can engage the UN to make this kind of behavior shared across all countries and if the forum can begin to craft a structure for populace transparency where not only can the governments see us, but the technology extends so that populace can see them, too. That would be a worthwhile approach to what we should think of in a democracy.

But, again, that should be taken up outside of this forum.

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R-S-H

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jun 2013, 21:12    Post subject:  

Oh, come on guys.

You are all (I hope so) intelligent people!

How could you be so naive to be surprised on all that stuff like collecting data, spying phone and e-mails etc.?

Really, what do you think the NSA and all the other secret services around the world in each and every country etc. are doing?

Collecting strawberries?

Now, if so, you would surely do believe that each one of you has nothing to do with that stuff, wouldn't you?

Ah, come on. Failed!

It is ALWAYS YOU that makes them industries able to invent all of that technology that is already and still will be used in the future against you and your families: BY BUYING these technologies and using it daily!

If you want to be connected to your friends worldwide, where ever you are, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.

And so on, and so on... ... ...

You can't get washed without getting wet (freely translated from what we in Germany say)!

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2013, 02:07    Post subject:  

R-S-H wrote:

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.


Actually, I think pizza delivery is an excellent use of drone technology..far better than anything the government has thought of..which is generally always the case.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2013, 02:18    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
R-S-H wrote:

If you want to have immediately information about restaurants at your current location, you (better saying your connection devices) have/has to be tracked.


Actually, I think pizza delivery is an excellent use of drone technology..far better than anything the government has thought of..which is generally always the case.

Ok, I see.

You are informed about the 600,000,000 € (? ore maybe even more ?) German Bundeswehr Drone Desaster. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2013, 02:43    Post subject:  

I don't get it. You start a thread about technology being used to monitor everything we do online, a news story breaks that seems relevant to the title of the thread and then you ask people not to respond by giving their opinion about Snowden's actions because it would derail the point of the thread??
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2013, 02:52    Post subject:  

Interesting that the powerpoint slide suggests they didn't penetrate Apple till after Steve Jobs relinquished the helm.

I'd be interested to compare the photoIDs of the various I.T professionals who moved into each of those companies during the periods leading up to the Prism "go-Live" dates. And it'd be interesting specifically which brand/model of routers/switches were installed into those companies by those I.T guys.

If you believe there's any truth to it of course...
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2013, 09:01    Post subject:  

Have they placed these into linux kernel too?

I usually detest or dislike any conspiracy theory
but I ahve always wondered why Unix are so keen on
to not allow root access. Can it be that if one have it
then one see the secret backdoor open and shut and
by not allowing root then they can let NSA slip in unoticed?

See there that is a folie hat if anything Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013, 16:25    Post subject: hadoop  

Interesting article that I think is relevant to this thread. It mentions: open soure, Hadoop, apache software, big data, government, corportations.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/14/netflix_facebook_and_the_nsa_theyre_all_in_it_together/
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013, 17:34    Post subject:  

Excellent stuff green_dome. That article is a must-read for anyone who cares anything at all about their data integrity and/or online privacy.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013, 23:38    Post subject:  

One should have known this way back in 1990 something
so one could have prepared something independent of the big sharks?

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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2013, 11:04    Post subject:  

In the light of all the recent leaks, big brother's outreach and such, listen to what this guy is saying:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/06/why-government-should-be-paying-you-for-your-information.html
Sounds interesting, and I do hope his opinion will not derail this thread.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2013, 16:54    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
One should have known this way back in 1990 something
so one could have prepared something independent of the big sharks?
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puppy_apprentice


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013, 03:54    Post subject:  

poor pigeons don't have any chance against drones ;(
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013, 12:50    Post subject:  

Tote wrote:
I don't get it. You start a thread about technology being used to monitor everything we do online, a news story breaks that seems relevant to the title of the thread and then you ask people not to respond by giving their opinion about Snowden's actions because it would derail the point of the thread??


I just went to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJ2VDTQWSI

and discovered that it took a really long time to load. Could it be that the NSA is trying to block it?
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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013, 14:59    Post subject:  

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and discovered that it took a really long time to load. Could it be that the NSA is trying to block it?


i didn't have this problem, i hope that boys and girls from NSA have sense of humour and will not block jokes about them
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