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NeroVance


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 23:02    Post subject:  

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1GBBc2IRn8Cd3k5aUV2OGlUMjQ/edit

Here is a bootable (i hope) ISO with a realtime kernel installed.
That is all it has ATM, but I do plan to add stuff for handling priority, and adding a friendly UI to it as well.
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allanbct

Joined: 17 Jan 2013
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Location: Cape Town - South Africa

PostPosted: Sat 26 Jan 2013, 09:20    Post subject:  

NeroVance wrote:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1GBBc2IRn8Cd3k5aUV2OGlUMjQ/edit

Here is a bootable (i hope) ISO with a realtime kernel installed.
That is all it has ATM, but I do plan to add stuff for handling priority, and adding a friendly UI to it as well.


Thanks for that will download, try and report-back.

Hope I have some success.

I suppose I need a dev enviroment???

Can I use a rewritable CD and if so how. I have not seen any tutorials on rewritable CD's
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ciento

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:44    Post subject:  

unetbootin can turn the .iso into bootable usbstick. Easy!
Boot the usbstick, and in the shutdown process, make a savefile at the prompts, and reboot, and repeatedly resize the savefile
to nearly fill the stick.
(look for that resizing choice in the menu options)

(a few reboots are needed, as resizing occurs on the next boot,
and size constraints are in play. Coffee time, but worth it)

http://unetbootin.net/

(this is based on other puppies, so ymmv on this release Wink )
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allanbct

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 08:11    Post subject:  

thanks @ciento I have used usb stick

@NeroVance

1. I have tried your iso let me list the problems

all versions of puppy 5.2 I have tried do not work with my wi-fi

puppy 5.4.3 does but claims to use same drivers ???

2. Your iso did not work with my video had to use vesa

Could anyone give me instruction to change my kernel to RTL in 5.4.3

I am not sure at the moment I need an RTL. I do have jOrgan working in 5.4.3

Latency in jack 24ms will RTL improve this I am not running other programs.

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NeroVance


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 09:43    Post subject:  

allanbct wrote:
thanks @ciento I have used usb stick

@NeroVance

1. I have tried your iso let me list the problems

all versions of puppy 5.2 I have tried do not work with my wi-fi

puppy 5.4.3 does but claims to use same drivers ???

2. Your iso did not work with my video had to use vesa

Could anyone give me instruction to change my kernel to RTL in 5.4.3

I am not sure at the moment I need an RTL. I do have jOrgan working in 5.4.3

Latency in jack 24ms will RTL improve this I am not running other programs.

Regards
Allanbct


Thank you very much for your response Very Happy
I knew that stuff was missing, as the drivers don't appear compatible, hence I wanted to know what problems one faces with the basics of this, that way I can improve it.

I think replacing some modules and drivers with those that the puppy with the RT kernel had should work. This is a prototype afterall Wink
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Announcer


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 10:28    Post subject:  

Why don't you just use Puppy Studio 3.3-rt? It's based on the same version you are trying to switch kernels with, all you're basically trying to do is make a plain version with the apps removed.
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allanbct

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 11:07    Post subject:  

@NeroVance

Trying to get into changing modules etc. Not there yet

@Announcer

Puppy Studio 3.3-rt also would not stay connected to wi-fi.
Is it based on lucid 5.2.x?

I think i wiped Puppy Studio 3.3-rt as not working to download java and other programs I needed

Do I need RTK in your opinion?
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Announcer


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 11:21    Post subject:  

If all you're doing is using your organ program, then no, you probably don't need an rt kernel.

Yes, 3.3 is based on Lucid 520.
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allanbct

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 12:02    Post subject:  

@Announcer

Thanks for your reply

I think I will stick with 5.4.3 then as all is working.
If all works out will probably need new machine with touch screen and decent sound cards
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NeroVance


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 12:35    Post subject:  

Announcer wrote:
Why don't you just use Puppy Studio 3.3-rt? It's based on the same version you are trying to switch kernels with, all you're basically trying to do is make a plain version with the apps removed.


That is indeed the goal. It is just good ol' Puppy (for the most part), but with a realtime kernel, for realtime infrastructure.

That and using it as perhaps my puplet for trying out different things, such as update Tcl to the now stable 8.6, and using a different WM, slim it down, etc.

In truth, I'm not even doing it for musical work Laughing
I'm just a crazy 19 year old *nix warlock (deep magic and such) Cool
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Announcer


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 12:39    Post subject:  

NeroVance wrote:
In truth, I'm not even doing it for musical work


Hmm.

So, you got an industrial laser kickin' around the house you wanna control, or something?
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NeroVance


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 12:44    Post subject:  

Announcer wrote:
NeroVance wrote:
In truth, I'm not even doing it for musical work


Hmm.

So, you got an industrial laser kickin' around the house you wanna control, or something?


I'm just bored, and it gives me something to do. Could be useful for communications systems and the like. Even back in the day I always thought I could get puppy to do nearly anything. It is quite the capable distro.
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Announcer


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 12:54    Post subject:  

Ok, well, carry on then, I suppose.
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allanbct

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 16:51    Post subject:  

Hi guys

After further reading I think I have to just change wi-fi driver in 5.2.x. I can download and put in root to install from usb without wi-fi working.

There seems so much to learn when your over 60

Thanks for the help.

I find the hardest thing is how to ask the rite question with all the needed info.
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Smithy


Joined: 12 Dec 2011
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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2013, 22:35    Post subject:  

Quote:
Why don't you just use Puppy Studio 3.3-rt? It's based on the same version you are trying to switch kernels with, all you're basically trying to do is make a plain version with the apps removed.


Yes Announcer, but having a look at 3.3rt Studio in GD Map, I think one could go completely mad trying to make a plain old barebones from your studio!
Wouldn't be so bad if GD Map had a delete button and automatically removed Muse or something.
It looks a bit crazy the way linux and its Apps are put together, but no crazier than any other computer operating system I'd say. (Yes I only just found GD Map and what it does Smile )

That said, it really does do great latency your Pup, I think it is actually doing 1.5msecs or so and the figures may be wrong, which is most impressive.
The other Pups flake out in comparison as regards realtime audio.
Not tried the fat dawg one tho' with da realtime.

I just discovered this thread and think it is great that NeroVance is having a go, not tried the pup yet though.
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