Fatdog64-611 Final (Updated 12-14-2012)

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#196 Post by smokey01 »

nooby wrote:Thanks Smokey,

i feared the worse, us having problem with being not fast
enough on the fingers are too few to make our wishes known :)
can one not change it even in some conf fig file setting?
Seems odd that somebody force all of us into double click when there
are no good reason for it?
Ah, but there is a very good reason for it. Most other Puppies automatically install the application as soon as you click on your selection which can also be an unwanted action. I bet you have accidentally done this too.

It's easy enough to scroll up and down the list with the cursor keys and select with the space bar or Enter Key.

Many people don't like some of the differences in Fatdog but they are all there for a good reason. A lot of thought has gone into Fatdogs development. Differences are not all bad. If they were we would still be using the abacus.

Enjoy.

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How to install the Guest Additions in Fatdog64

#197 Post by mdisaster2 »

Ok, I compiled the Virtualbox Guest Additions and they seem seem to work nicely. Now my virtual Fatdog has shared folders, shared clipboard, 3d accelerated video and all the bells and whistles :)

However just choosing "Install Guest Addition" from the virtualbox pulldown does not do anything useful. Here is how I did:

To compile the GA in Fatdog:

1) download and enable the devx sfs,

2) "load" the Guest Additions iso image that comes with Virtualbox in the emulated cd reader of the guest virtual machine,

3) open the console and execute these commands:

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# make -C /usr/src/linux oldconfig prepare scripts
# mkdir /var/run/vboxadd
# adduser -S -G daemon -u 999 -h /var/run/vboxadd vboxadd
# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
# /mnt/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run
# umount /mnt/cdrom
# sync 
Ignore the error message at the end of the compiling step saying that virtualbox services can't be installed or started (same as in Slako).
The services are installed just fine, you just need to put the command VBoxClient-all in .xinitrc or somewhere else where it gets executed at startup.

After the next reboot you should be able to use all the features that you enabled in the virtual machine settings, and System Information now should show VBOX0 as the display name. However in order to change the screen resolution you'll need to use xrandr to define a new modeline - there may well be an easier way (possibly involving xorgwizard), but I haven't figured it out yet.

Have fun 8)

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#198 Post by JustGreg »

I tried to use the Wine sfs (wine-1.5.4-i486.sfs) with Fatdog64 611. It did not work after being loaded. Using the console, I got this error for winecfg: Line 29 /usr/bin/winecfg not found. However, Pfind does find winecfg in/usr/bin. I downloaded the sfs wine file from the ibiblio 600 directory. Am I using the wrong version? Thanks for the help on this.

In general, Fatdog64 works well on my Acer Aspire Revo.
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#199 Post by jamesbond »

nooby, the control panel can be navigated with Tab and cursor keys too. Items can be launched by pressing Enter key. You only need to use the mouse to close it (click the "x" button) - and that's single-click :wink:

mdisaster2, thank you for the step-by-step guide. I know I will be keeping your notes for later needs. PS: the "install guest addition" won't work because Fatdog does not auto-launch anything (and for good reason).

JustGreg, wine is 32-bit application. In fact it is the one created by our own green_dome :) So you also need to load the 32-bit compatibility SFS for it to run.

cheers!
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#200 Post by Barbol »

Hi! I'm having difficulties when mounting linux partitions in fatdog. I have a disk with many partitions, some of them containing another OS. Everytime I mount one of them, fatdog changes the permissions of the root directory in that partition to 770. It makes me broke two ubuntu based systems until I realize what was happening. Fortunately, once discovered the cause, the solution was easy, just restoring the permissions. Now I'm doing a chmod before unmounting, but that's not comfortable.. What could be happening and how is it fixable?
Another annoying thing occurs when running gparted. It tooks the drive icons, passes through a blender and throw them in aleatory order on the desktop. Never noticed that behavior by gparted before..
nooby, the control panel can be navigated with Tab and cursor keys too. Items can be launched by pressing Enter key.
Nice tip! I don't like double clicking too :D

Great 2013 evereyone!!! Barbol

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#201 Post by jamesbond »

Barbol wrote:Hi! I'm having difficulties when mounting linux partitions in fatdog. I have a disk with many partitions, some of them containing another OS. Everytime I mount one of them, fatdog changes the permissions of the root directory in that partition to 770. It makes me broke two ubuntu based systems until I realize what was happening. Fortunately, once discovered the cause, the solution was easy, just restoring the permissions. Now I'm doing a chmod before unmounting, but that's not comfortable.. What could be happening and how is it fixable?
Edit /etc/eventmanager and use the right ACCESS_MODE and UMASK_MODE. UMASK_MODE is just 777 xorg ACCESS_MODE (or simply put, UMASK_MODE + ACCESS_MODE must be equal to 777).
There is a GUI for this using Fatdog Event Manager from Control Panel, but it only allows you to choose between two values: 770 and 750. On another note, Fatdog also chgrp the mountpoint to the current user's group. If you really really don't like this and want to disable this, edit /usr/sbin/fatdog-drive-icon-mount-helper.sh but then you're on your own.
Another annoying thing occurs when running gparted. It tooks the drive icons, passes through a blender and throw them in aleatory order on the desktop. Never noticed that behavior by gparted before..
Fatdog uses udev directly for drive icons. Whenever gparted runs, it reads the drive in a such a way that forces the kernel to re-read the partition table (=not surprising for a partition table editor...), and thus kernel will issue udev "change" event. Fatdog responds to this change event by re-drawing the icons; unfortunately there is no way to ensure that the events are received in any particular order. Other puppies don't have this issue because they don't use udev directly, they use a daemon (pup_event_frontend) to poll for changes instead.
Great 2013 evereyone!!! Barbol
Indeed :)
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#202 Post by mini-jaguar »

1. I am afraid there is a bug. I noticed it in 6.1.0 too, but now I'm sure something's not working right. When shutting down, it gets stuck on the "Spin down disks ..." line and doesn't shut off. I've waited more that 10 minutes.

It always does it after making the save file, but at other times too. Please note I don't save directly to home, but to a folder in home.

I can turn the computer off with the switch, and the file is indeed saved, but it shouldn't get stuck like that.


2. On an unrelated note, what program do I need to add to make the lives .sfs work? I do not connect to the internet on that computer. The dependency checker seems to work (?) in a weird way in Fatdog64 (yes, I also tried with the .pet).

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#203 Post by JustGreg »

Thank you, Jamesbond for the information on Wine!
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gcmartin

new users in FATDOG 611+ ...

#204 Post by gcmartin »

The post on permissions is a good one to note.

I recently got bit by this too.

This approach in FATDOG 611+ might be reconsidered as other OSes on a HDD/USB would be impacted. Please understand, though, that I am aware of much thought and consideration already in current system release.

Just a thought.

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#205 Post by jamesbond »

mini-jaguar wrote:1. I am afraid there is a bug. I noticed it in 6.1.0 too, but now I'm sure something's not working right. When shutting down, it gets stuck on the "Spin down disks ..." line and doesn't shut off. I've waited more that 10 minutes.

It always does it after making the save file, but at other times too. Please note I don't save directly to home, but to a folder in home.

I can turn the computer off with the switch, and the file is indeed saved, but it shouldn't get stuck like that.
This can happen for a number of reasons, most likely driver conflict with your hardware. Try booting with parameter "showerr" and it should let you see what is happening when you shutdown.
2. On an unrelated note, what program do I need to add to make the lives .sfs work? I do not connect to the internet on that computer. The dependency checker seems to work (?) in a weird way in Fatdog64 (yes, I also tried with the .pet).
Yes, lives no longer work in 610 because it depends on certain libraries which got removed when we removed kino. I have re-uploaded the libraries as "lives_support", you need to install when you install lives in 610. (You need to select it manually as it is not indicated in the dependency check). For convenience, I'm also uploading lives.sfs which has all the needed libraries.
gcmartin wrote:I recently got bit by this too.
Can you tell me the details of what happened and how you managed to overcome the situation?
This approach in FATDOG 611+ might be reconsidered ...
What are your suggestions?
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#206 Post by Anniekin »

fatdog 600 would often hang on boot or shutdown for me

i think because my netbook was running on battery then and didn't have enough juice

i am noticing occasional permission changes on my new 610 system too

i dual boot windows but don't often mount that partition

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#207 Post by Barbol »

Jamesbond, thanks for the detailed answers! I changed ACCES_MODE to 755 and UMASK_MODE to 022, and problem solved. The chgrp doesn't seems to be harmful, so I left as it was.

In a very very humble opinion, I think this permissions thing could be a serious trouble for a linux begginer (for example someone who has an ubuntu install and decides to gives fatdog a try. When he reboots he could be in front of a broken system, without elements to diagnose nor repair the damage - been there many times!! - Of course, he will never use fatdog again!). I hope this is constructive,

Barbol

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#208 Post by Anniekin »

Barbol wrote:I think this permissions thing could be a serious trouble for a linux begginer.
it's confusing because there are 2 users spot and root active sometimes. using puppy 4.10 as linux beginner had sooo many crazy problems but i learned from them. and it didn't come with a fatdog control panel and everything in there which novice computer users are used to. the package manager didn't even have dependency checks, refresh package lists, resizeable window or make any sense!

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#209 Post by nooby »

cat /etc/clock

does not work in FD64 so maybe the clock is in another place?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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readelf

#210 Post by Terryphi »

When trying to get 32bit apps running on Fatdog64 it is useful to check whether libraries are class ELF64 or ELF32. The tool readelf will tell you. Errors occur when the 32bit app finds the 64bit library instead of the 32bit library.

Extract the attached file to /usr/bin and make it executable.

The syntax to check a file is:

readelf -h /path_to_file
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Fatdog64-611 Final (Updated 12-14-2012)

#211 Post by Billtoo »

I installed fatdog 611 to my acer revo with the fatdog installer.

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Memory 1791MB (157MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [442447e63b]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Thu 03 Jan 2013 05:25:55 PM GMT
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer ION/integrated/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer ION/integrated/SSE2
Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 310.19
Direct Rendering Yes
Network controller Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe

Runs smoothly on this pc.

EDIT:It's been running very well for about a day now, I made a pet of
htop 1.0.2 if anyone wants it.
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#212 Post by kirk »

When trying to get 32bit apps running on Fatdog64 it is useful to check whether libraries are class ELF64 or ELF32. The tool readelf will tell you. Errors occur when the 32bit app finds the 64bit library instead of the 32bit library.
This is also included in the devx sfs.
cat /etc/clock

does not work in FD64 so maybe the clock is in another place?
If you're trying to get the time from a terminal, type date.

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#213 Post by mini-jaguar »

jamesbond wrote:
mini-jaguar wrote:1. I am afraid there is a bug. I noticed it in 6.1.0 too, but now I'm sure something's not working right. When shutting down, it gets stuck on the "Spin down disks ..." line and doesn't shut off. I've waited more that 10 minutes.

It always does it after making the save file, but at other times too. Please note I don't save directly to home, but to a folder in home.

I can turn the computer off with the switch, and the file is indeed saved, but it shouldn't get stuck like that.
This can happen for a number of reasons, most likely driver conflict with your hardware. Try booting with parameter "showerr" and it should let you see what is happening when you shutdown.
2. On an unrelated note, what program do I need to add to make the lives .sfs work? I do not connect to the internet on that computer. The dependency checker seems to work (?) in a weird way in Fatdog64 (yes, I also tried with the .pet).
Yes, lives no longer work in 610 because it depends on certain libraries which got removed when we removed kino. I have re-uploaded the libraries as "lives_support", you need to install when you install lives in 610. (You need to select it manually as it is not indicated in the dependency check). For convenience, I'm also uploading lives.sfs which has all the needed libraries.
I have enclosed some photos, sorry that they are kind of hard to read, it's not easy to take pics of the screen. By the way, if I make the save file directly to the partition it doesn't always bug, neither does it always bug if I load an older file, it just always bugs when I set a path for the save file when making it.


And the new lives .sfs and added libs .pet (with old .sfs) work, I didn't test the program functions, but now it runs.

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Grsync

#214 Post by WillM »

This is a pet for Grsync to backup and sync directories.
Here are a couple of links that explain how to use Grsync.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/openso ... in;content

http://www.howtogeek.com/66348/how-to-s ... -easy-way/
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#215 Post by JustGreg »

I am running the FireFox version of FatDog64. The menu still contains entries for Sea Monkey Compozer, Sea Monkey Mail & News and Sea Monkey web browser. However, the Sea Monkey components are not available and the entries do not work. This is not a major bug. The menu needs to be updated.
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