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Geoffrey


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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 19:51    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
I'm a little confused about the difference between Carolina and LinaLite - are they two separate versions? I just looked on page one and only see links for Carolina.

By the way - the Carolina homepage link at the very bottom of the first post is easily missed but the website it links to is delightful! Love the way the webpage links animate when you mouse over them. Very clever!
http://smokey01.com/carolina/pages/lina-index.html
.


Changed the first post, the Carolina Linux is now a link.

LinaLite is Elroy's, it is a stripped down version of Carolina 005, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82119&search_id=771933685

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starhawk

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov 2013, 12:42    Post subject:  

re: Eden 400MHz system -- it freezes partway through bootup -- at this line:
Code:
Recognizing media devices: optical input_


Let it sit for a while, just to be sure it was hung, no change so it hung Sad

Oh well.

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einar

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov 2013, 16:30    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
re: Eden 400MHz system -- it freezes partway through bootup -- at this line:
Code:
Recognizing media devices: optical input_


Let it sit for a while, just to be sure it was hung, no change so it hung Sad

Oh well.



no expert here but here but, are you booting form a usb flash stick ?
if so try the boot parameter : pmedia=usbflash

se url under for refrence :

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootParameters

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov 2013, 23:19    Post subject:  

No... booting from kinda a weird optical drive setup, actually.

I have an internal optical drive set up as an external by plugging it into a USB drive "tester" -- like this one -- and I've got that plugged into the system.

It's a little cranky but once you know how to make it dance, it dances Wink BTW I don't have an actual external CD drive nor the funds for one. I've got one in parts waiting for a housing... maybe someday I'll get off my duff and get the dang thing put together... maybe...

Besides -- if it were what you're suggesting, I'd get an "I can't find the main SFS so screw it I'm gonna just sit here and die for a while" sort of error Razz

More likely it's the wierd **** hardware of the system I'm working with. System is a Neoware CA19 thin client with some interesting mods... 1gig RAM (maybe someday I'll try a 2gig stick in there, it might take it!), original dinky-capacity Disk On Module (DOM) replaced with a CompactFlash card (in 44pin adapter), two added USB ports (which replace the old and IMO *mostly* useless parallel port dongle), and... well, the board had a place for a 3pin fan header (standard PC fan connector) so I got the local tech shop to stick a socket there and now it's got a heatsink AND fan on the graphics chip. I also replaced the thermal gunk (long since baked into total uselessness) with proper goop. Well... it's copper based rather than fancy silver based (Arctic Silver anything) or Shin Etsu (even better!) stuff, but it works.

More info than you ever wanted on the CA19 here --> http://parkytowers.me.uk/thin/neoware/CA19/
That site is a real resource if you're trying to find info on a thin client or planning to desktop-ify one Wink oh, and the bloke who runs it (a fine British chap) is quite nice as well -- I've emailed him a little, and he's been remarkably kind and helpful every time.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Nov 2013, 18:44    Post subject:  

Geoffrey wrote:
Carolina 1.1 is released, for details see the first post.

This release is around 40mb larger due to software updates and added features.


Thanks to all involved for the great work in this project

Have not tried it yet but I am sure it will be as good as your previous releases

Just typing this on an overclocked raspberry pi.....
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Nov 2013, 18:51    Post subject:  

I've tried the latesest Slimboat browser that was packaged by OscarTalks, so far it seems to work ok, though I find it a little slow loading google images in Carolina 1.1, but it seems fine in rg66's Carolite Confused .

With the glibc-2.11 workaround, I do get this if apps are run from terminal, whether or not it causes a problem is yet to be seen.
Code:
Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
   Using the fallback 'C' locale.


Installing glibc-2.10.1-w5c from the repo will overwrite the changes made by the glibc-2.11 workaround and get things back to normal if you have a problem, thought there will be files left over from glibc-2.11.
Don't try uninstalling the glibc-2.11, it will surely break, Do this at your own risk!, it would be wise to have a backup of your save file to be safe.

The needed files can be obtained HERE, I installed glibc-2.11.3-4wary5.pet and slimboat-1.1.44.pet. As this isn't a native application for Carolina, Use at your own risk!


Added Kangee to the repo, I have tried this and it seems to work fine, it appears that it tunnels a connection so there is no need to change any router configurations



Quote:
Kangee is an easy-to-use personal on-demand fileserver, enabling you to exchange files with your friends. Your communication partner only needs a browser to download or upload files to you. Unlike one-click hosting services, Kangee will not store files on any remote machine, instead, you will become your own one-click hoster. Kangee is developed for the Java Runtime Environment, therefore supporting many operating systems.

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ac2011

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 05:11    Post subject: GlibC - two versions at once  

I've had issues with GlibC before, on other Puppies. I wasn't happy that upgrading it breaks the locale and can adversely affect other programs (which you might only find out much later).

So I decided to tweak things so I can run 2.10.1 and also 2.11.3 simultaneously, without the risk of breaking older apps by upgrading fully.

You'd need the libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb mentioned in the code here (think I got it from an Ubuntu repository), or change that filename to suit whatever version you're using. Then run this as a script, with /path/to/executable as the argument.

It allows you to run a specific GlibC version for one app, while retaining the built-in one for all others.

Code:

#!/bin/sh

if [[ ! -d /tmp/glibc2113 ]]
   then
   mkdir /tmp/glibc2113
   dpkg-deb -x /root/libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb /tmp/glibc2113/
fi

# still need workaround for locale complaints, which is the main reason for not fully upgrading to later glibc anyway
export LC_ALL="C"

# here's the cleverness
/tmp/glibc2113/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /tmp/glibc2113/lib/ "$@"
# don't remove the newer glibc from /tmp afterwards, because other programs may be accessing it concurrently via this script. It'll vanish on shutdown.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 19:59    Post subject: Re: GlibC - two versions at once  

ac2011 wrote:
I've had issues with GlibC before, on other Puppies. I wasn't happy that upgrading it breaks the locale and can adversely affect other programs (which you might only find out much later).

So I decided to tweak things so I can run 2.10.1 and also 2.11.3 simultaneously, without the risk of breaking older apps by upgrading fully.

You'd need the libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb mentioned in the code here (think I got it from an Ubuntu repository), or change that filename to suit whatever version you're using. Then run this as a script, with /path/to/executable as the argument.

It allows you to run a specific GlibC version for one app, while retaining the built-in one for all others.

Code:

#!/bin/sh

if [[ ! -d /tmp/glibc2113 ]]
   then
   mkdir /tmp/glibc2113
   dpkg-deb -x /root/libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb /tmp/glibc2113/
fi

# still need workaround for locale complaints, which is the main reason for not fully upgrading to later glibc anyway
export LC_ALL="C"

# here's the cleverness
/tmp/glibc2113/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /tmp/glibc2113/lib/ "$@"
# don't remove the newer glibc from /tmp afterwards, because other programs may be accessing it concurrently via this script. It'll vanish on shutdown.

I can't get this to work, I made a script with the code supplied, named it glibc2113, I then placed that in /usr/bin
the deb package is in root, I run this in the terminal
Code:
glibc2113 /usr/bin/slimboat
/usr/bin/slimboat: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/bin/slimboat: file too short


What am I doing wrong?

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ac2011

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 20:22    Post subject:  

Have the contents of the deb definitely been expanded into /tmp/glibc2113 ?

If you run "glibc2113 /usr/bin/locale" does it show all the LC_ values as "C" (compared to simply running /usr/bin/locale which should show your real locale).

If so the script is doing its job, but it's possible that slimboat requires the GlibC support files as well as just the lib files. In that case this method won't work for slimboat.

Oh, hang on. I've just downloaded the slimboat SFS to test it and I get the same error, but I think that's because /usr/bin/slimboat is not a dynamic executable, it's a script which applies its own library tweaks.

I don't have time at the moment, but it might be possible to edit /usr/lib/slimboat/slimboat.sh to apply the glibc2113 mod there.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 20:41    Post subject:  

I don't like leaving things unfinished...

This slimboat-specific version works, at least it does with the SFS. I'm posting from it now. Let me know if it works for you.

Code:
#!/bin/sh

if [[ ! -d /tmp/glibc2113 ]]
   then
   mkdir /tmp/glibc2113
   dpkg-deb -x /root/glibc_2113/libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb /tmp/glibc2113/
fi

export LC_ALL="C"
export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/slimboat/plugins
/tmp/glibc2113/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /tmp/glibc2113/lib/:/usr/lib/slimboat/libs /usr/lib/slimboat/slimboat "$@"
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 21:54    Post subject:  

ac2011 wrote:
I don't like leaving things unfinished...

This slimboat-specific version works, at least it does with the SFS. I'm posting from it now. Let me know if it works for you.



Yeah that works with both the pet and sfs, though I get a message when its run " English (UK) language file does not exist! "
Code:
 glibc2113 slimboat
/usr/lib/slimboat/slimboat: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/slimboat/libs/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0)
QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme.


edit: can't set country location, there may be something else that's not loading.

edit: also can't add search engines, definitely missing something.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 22:40    Post subject:  

Yes, it looks like there's an environment variable missing that tells it where to find its own files. If I find out what, I'll post here, but this might be the first app I've come across where only a full GlibC upgrade will work.
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Nov 2013, 23:18    Post subject: Slimboat fixed with non-upgraded GlibC  

Fixed it, I think. Slimboat checks for its support files in the directory it was called from, so it was looking in /tmp/glibc2113. By copying and renaming the ld-linux.so.2 file into /usr/lib/slimboat and running it from there, all the supporting files are found.

As before, please let me know if this works for you.

Code:

#!/bin/sh

if [[ ! -d /tmp/glibc2113 ]]
   then
   mkdir /tmp/glibc2113
   dpkg-deb -x /root/glibc_2113/libc6_2.11.3-4_i386.deb /tmp/glibc2113/
fi

# necessary because slimboat checks the directory it's launched from for its support files
cp /tmp/glibc2113/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /usr/lib/slimboat/glibc_tweak

export LC_ALL="C"
export QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/slimboat/plugins
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/slimboat/libs:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

/usr/lib/slimboat/glibc_tweak --library-path /tmp/glibc2113/lib:/usr/lib/slimboat/libs /usr/lib/slimboat/slimboat "$@"
rm /usr/lib/slimboat/glibc_tweak
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 00:33    Post subject:  

I have uploaded a Carolite-1.1a delta file @ 6mb. The ISO is 3mb smaller than 1.1 @ 144.9mb

Added HardInfo to main sfs
Removed Geany plugins
Removed some wallpapers, cursor themes and icons.
Various mods and fixes.

http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/non-pae/

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Nov 2013, 17:50    Post subject: Re: Slimboat fixed with non-upgraded GlibC  

ac2011 wrote:
Fixed it, I think. Slimboat checks for its support files in the directory it was called from, so it was looking in /tmp/glibc2113. By copying and renaming the ld-linux.so.2 file into /usr/lib/slimboat and running it from there, all the supporting files are found.

As before, please let me know if this works for you.


That works a lot better, though setting the homepage and history don't work.

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