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L18L

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 10:23    Post subject: momanager
Subject description: fast momanager
 

Bert wrote:
#130525 L18L replace intltool-update by msgmerge

I presumed that was the code in your reply to Don570...so added that now.

Exactly!
... and this code snippet has made it into official momanager
http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00267
(where Barry says it occurs in two places.)

I really should build an actual version of fast momanager soon.

edit
...done

edit
deleted 13 times downloaded pet

please simply use newer momanager-130601.pet: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81259&start=85

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 14:34    Post subject: fast momanager
Subject description: sort
 

How would you like this sort

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH

Question

I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 15:08    Post subject: Re: fast momanager
Subject description: sort
 

L18L wrote:
How would you like this sort

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH

Question

I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order


Great idea!

I have a secret momanager wish list, one of the items on that list was a search function...your idea is much better. It would certainly clear up the interface.

PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?
Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH

?

Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?

Anyhow, I vote 5 stars for your idea Exclamation

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 16:00    Post subject:  

My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files Twisted Evil

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 16:45    Post subject: Re: momanager
Subject description: backport
 

L18L wrote:

Why not use the new Puppies built with woof2 ?
... and improve them if there should be anything wrong in them ?


That's actually what I say and do. Maybe some people feel nostalgic, like they miss that times, or maybe they think their hardware is too old for a newer Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 07:38    Post subject: Re: momanager
Subject description: backport
 

vicmz wrote:
...Maybe some people feel nostalgic...

... and English only is part of that nostalgic Laughing

They all should try shinobar's waryq...
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 07:49    Post subject: momanager
Subject description: wish list
 

don570 wrote:
My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files Twisted Evil

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

_________________________________


Check the POT-Creation-Date

momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.

Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"

is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po

... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations

You have to check
- empty msgstr
- Fuzzy marked translations
- delete unneeded #
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 08:17    Post subject: Re: fast momanager
Subject description: sort
 

Bert wrote:
I have a secret momanager wish list

Could you publish this list please?

Bert wrote:
PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?

Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcur
Code:
# which Pcur
#
returned nothing because there is no executable Pcur.
So you will grep the menu:
Code:
# grep Pcur .jwmrc
<Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program>
<Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>
from which you pick the program pcur.
...now command which will show you where it is:
Code:
# which pcur
/usr/sbin/pcur
#
That's it Wink
Bert wrote:
Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH
I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.
Bert wrote:
Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?
Yes it is on top because everything other than this would slow it down again.

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what is new in attached momanager-20130602 ?
scripts are sorted
binaries are sorted

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 15:47    Post subject: Re: momanager
Subject description: wish list
 

L18L wrote:
don570 wrote:
My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files Twisted Evil

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

_________________________________


Check the POT-Creation-Date

momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.

Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"

is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po

... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations


That looks like one of the many L18L-posts that should be stickied Wink

Quote:
is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po


Delete from? /usr/share/doc/nls only?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 17:04    Post subject: Re: fast momanager
Subject description: sort
 

L18L wrote:
Bert wrote:
I have a secret momanager wish list

Could you publish this list please?


Well it's a short wish list really:

1. a search/find function, you know the luxurious type: just type 'pc' and up come all the entries for 'pcur'.

2. A 'Preferences' button ( or 'Settings' button) for Momanager:

* whenever I start a new translation, there's the MoManager intro-window, which I have to OK. Not really needed. So in 'Preferences' I tick 'No thanks, I've read it a hundred times'

* whenever I start a new translation, I am asked to choose between 'nl' and 'nl.NL'. I would like to teach MoManager I only use e.g. 'nl'. So this could be in the MoManager 'Preferences' as a predefined choice, not asked again at every new start of a translation.

* whenever I start a new translation, MoManager wants to know if I'm root@localhost Rolling Eyes ...I'm Bert and I typed in my email address so many times, I will never be able to forget it. So, in 'Preferences' there's a field to enter your email address once and for all.

L18L wrote:
Bert wrote:
PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?

Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcur
Code:
# which Pcur
#
returned nothing because there is no executable Pcur.
So you will grep the menu:
Code:
# grep Pcur .jwmrc
<Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program>
<Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>
from which you pick the program pcur.
...now command which will show you where it is:
Code:
# which pcur
/usr/sbin/pcur
#
That's it Wink


Thanks for this new voodoo lesson Laughing
When I type ' which Pcur' in terminal, I get:
Code:
 /usr/sbin/pcur


The grep stuff is probably for learning purposes?


L18L wrote:
Bert wrote:
Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH
I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.

Wouldn't it make sense to fork Fast MoManager for a while? That would allow you to freely explore new territory.
Your original sorting idea is too good to get compromised by the need to keep compatibility with our grand master BK.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 18:25    Post subject: back to my "BAD NEWS" returning  

Okay, this is about my problem with MoManager described on top of last page.

L18L tried to reproduce it and could not do so.

Neither can I, but I don't need to, as it reproduces itself... randomly.(or so it seems)

I'll try to explain: I can translate a couple of files without any problem and then suddenly things go wrong in one of two ways:

1. This is what happens most often: when trying to edit a left side file, MoManager is unable to merge the .po and .pot files and pops up "BAD NEWS", etc..

2. Same as 1., but a seemingly random amount of right side (untranslated) files (without a .mo) move to the left side.
After restarting MM, everything is back to normal.

As no other translators are complaining about this, I can only conclude:

* no one is really actively using MM at the moment, I mean doing translation with many files still to go.

OR:

* I have a local problem that is not yet understood.

Using the 20130601 pet didn't solve it.

I'm not panicking, as it is more or less usable. But something is definitely not right.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Jun 2013, 08:25    Post subject: Re: momanager
Subject description: old pot file, which Pcur and grep
 

Bert wrote:
...Delete from? /usr/share/doc/nls only?

Yes or move it elsewhere.[/quote]
/usr/sbin/momanager wrote:
#120731 any script can have a pre-existing .pot file in /usr/share/doc/nls, it will automatically be used instead of generating a .pot file.
#



Bert wrote:
When I type ' which Pcur' in terminal, I get:
Code:
/usr/sbin/pcur
So I guess you are using something other than precise5.6.1.

Bert wrote:
The grep stuff is probably for learning purposes?
Yes, I had the impression that you wanted to learn something Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Jun 2013, 08:38    Post subject: Re: fast momanager
Subject description: fork
 

Bert wrote:
Well it's a short wish list really:

1. a search/find function, you know the luxurious type: just type 'pc' and up come all the entries for 'pcur'.

2. A 'Preferences' button ( or 'Settings' button) for Momanager:

* whenever I start a new translation, there's the MoManager intro-window, which I have to OK. Not really needed. So in 'Preferences' I tick 'No thanks, I've read it a hundred times'

* whenever I start a new translation, I am asked to choose between 'nl' and 'nl.NL'. I would like to teach MoManager I only use e.g. 'nl'. So this could be in the MoManager 'Preferences' as a predefined choice, not asked again at every new start of a translation.

* whenever I start a new translation, MoManager wants to know if I'm root@localhost Rolling Eyes ...I'm Bert and I typed in my email address so many times, I will never be able to forget it. So, in 'Preferences' there's a field to enter your email address once and for all.

.... and I add:
suppress create button for empty list
.... and I readd:
sort by base name.......

At http://puppylinux.com/development/project-statement.htm BarryK wrote:
Now to get onto what really matters... having fun with Puppy.

.... and fork Cool
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Jun 2013, 13:37    Post subject: forked fast momanager
Subject description: Bert's wish list
 

Wish number 2 became true

Note the Preferences button

Have fun
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Jun 2013, 15:05    Post subject:  

Wow .. what can I say, never really expected you to implement this and certainly not this fast. Just wonderful Exclamation

Code:
showINTRO=no
transLANG=nl
myEMAIL=bert@


* Email: It now says "Automatically generated" in the .po heading. When does this happen? I reopened a translated file and it still says this. Email generation when the pet is created?

Thank You Very Much L18L!

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