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Keef · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 428 Location: Staffordshire

What James C said - /usr/lib/mozilla (nearly 8mb) and /usr/lib/seamonkey (29mb) plus ~/.mozilla (867k) all still there.

Switched to IceWM - got a black desktop until I ran the wallpaper setter (can't actually change it though - same in JWM). Pwidgets works here. All the browsers I tried crashed within seconds under IceWM.

starhawk · Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 15:39 Post subject:

I didn't mess with IceWM so that's going to be rather a bit unstable for now.

I'll probably just pull it out, along with the mechanism for switching...

...if I can figure out how! Confused

oldyeller · Joined: 15 Nov 2011 Posts: 468 Location: Mishawaka IN

Whippet lite really the full one

I got on the internet just fine. qtweb crashed, dillo did just fine however.

Could not charge background. Is this built on 4.2?

The light version would not boot

IBM X60

starhawk · Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 15:51 Post subject:

It's based on TurboPup which in turn is a modified Puppy 4.2.0...

...starting to think I should work with Puplite instead. It's not nearly as much of a mess to figure out...

Keef · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 428 Location: Staffordshire

Solved the window focus problem by adding:

starhawk · Posted: Mon 03 Sep 2012, 16:45 Post subject:

I had removed that line! It was causing some theming problems.

That is one messed up pup.

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 1184 Location: New Zealand

starhawk · Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2012, 21:57 Post subject:

...that's really special Shocked

IIRC if you press F2 fast enough, it'll get to that screen...

...at which point it will promptly freeze solid and require a reboot.

Tote · Joined: 19 Jan 2012 Posts: 148

Manual frugal install.. Whippet (Lite) Full one.

Selected Xorg but gave me a black screen, had to force shutdown/select Vesa, then it worked.
No tray icons, only Menu and Clock.
Can't change wallpaper.
Wireless network config worked okay, connected internet no problem.
Ran Firewall wizard, installed Firewallstate pet, icon appears but shows Firewall inactive.
Gxine/pmusic not working. (Didn't try any others.)
Downloaded Firefox-2.0.0.7 pet from PPM, wouldn't run from Desktop menu but runs from terminal.
Downloaded seamonkey-1.1.11-1 pet from PPM, runs well from Desktop menu, various websites, seems okay.
Dillo worked but crashes/closes when I try to access webpage links.
Shuts down/saves to file okay.

(Celeron M/laptop/250RAM)

Tman · Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 731 Location: Toronto

starhawk · Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 15:32 Post subject:

Next versions will be based on Puplite5 almost for certain. While I could work with a beta of Akita, I'd rather not mess with that. Betas have a bad habit of breaking in unexpected places and ways... not what I'm looking for here!

One thing is for sure. I'm done with TurboPup. That thing is a mess inside, and no matter what I try, it poops the carpet whenever I try to change it or "fix" it... which means that whatever Synth did, he did very carefully and within tolerances that I'm simply too ham-handed to meet.

Thing is that it takes Puplite5 more than 5 minutes to boot on a particularly low-spec laptop (Dell Latitude CPi D300XT). I want to drastically reduce that. What things (and how) can I disable or slim down, safely, in order to accomplish this, WITHOUT going through TurboPup-level craziness?

Specs of the laptop in question...
300MHz Pentium II CPU
128MB RAM
8GB Microdrive (HDD in CF card size) hard drive (or a 6.5GB laptop HDD, haven't decided yet).
NeoMagic graphics (which work best, oddly enough, with Xorg generic driver)
1024x768 screen, 16bit

...as a side note, Xvesa does NOT work on that laptop. It actually crashes spectacularly (lots of multicolor, blinking/changing artifacts instead of an intelligible screen) less than 30sec into the desktop, and the colors are all wrong anyways. So that's one thing I can't strip out.

FWIW, I also thought about plumping up pUPnGO... but by the time I bring it back to GTK2 (IIRC it runs GTK1 now!), add full Xorg capability (it's Xvesa-only right now) and add enough programs (and their dependencies) to make it actually useful (and slightly more user-friendly) it'd be as big as Puplite5 or bigger. So there's no point in that, whatsoever -- particularly since I'm not confident (to say the least) in my ability to accomplish super-technical bits like GTK2 and Xorg...

EDIT: I'll also be trying a tool I discovered, namely Igu's version of Woofy. It's called Moo. It certainly sounds more capable than Woofy... so I'll be giving it a chance.

Tman · Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 731 Location: Toronto

Wow, moo looks cool! I've never heard of it before, so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Instead of remastering next time, I think I try it out moo on Solidpup. I'm pretty sure the "update woof skeleton" option is broken now though, since Barry has moved over to woof2, but there's still a lot of nice options availiable. in moo.

You should test Akita for a while first ... seemed pretty stable to me.

starhawk · Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 17:21 Post subject:

Tried Akita beta6 once. My review should still be in that thread.

...it was actually slower to boot than Puplite5, which is the other reason I'm hesitant to use it. I suppose I could test the latest beta and Puplite5 on the same machine, see how fast each is... but I'm lazy Razz

Tman · Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 731 Location: Toronto

starhawk · Posted: Thu 06 Sep 2012, 22:14 Post subject:

ClassicPup2.14X-top9 /and/ -top10 are far slower than Puplite5 on P3 and older. Not the first time I've said it, won't be the last.