pUPnGO 2012

[starhawk]

@greengeek: glad to help!

@all: Got the resolution fixed -- edited xorg.conf manually -- the "preferred resolution" that the screen reported was 800x600 (as was the actual monitor display res) so changing both of those to 1024x768 and restarting X seems to have worked well.

I have a spare flash drive, and I see there's an Install to USB option in the menus, so I'll do that and make a savefile. Easier than booting pfix=ram and mucking with installing and configuring xorg.

Next challenge: this thing doesn't seem to play audio in pUPnGO -- TBH the only puppy I've found (not that I'm actively looking!) that has the correct driver is Puppy 423. I'll edit my post in a few with the name of that driver (I don't remember but it's in a thread somewhere). Can I copy the driver over from 423, or does it have a different kernel from 412?

EDIT: the driver is "cs4236". I know from experience that there is another driver that will not work called "cs4232" -- it is present in Puppy 420, Akita, and Puplite5. I suspect it's an earlier version of the -36 driver but I can't prove it -- all I know is, it doesn't work.

EDIT2: d'oh! Forgot that this system is far, far too old to boot directly from USB. Oops!

Oh well, good thing I've a copy of Plop Boot Manager!

Er, BTW, goingnuts, your USB flash drive installer doesn't seem to work. I select "sdb" for the install and it pulls up a file-find window with no explanation as to what it's looking for. I think we can call that an oops! I ended up doing a manual frugal install with syslinux. Soon as I get Plop on a floppy, I'll let you know how well it went.

EDIT3: hmm, looks like syslinux hates me the USB drive doesn't boot. Was using rcrsn51's instructions here. (The operative word is "was".) I'm just going to drop down grub4dos like I should've in the first place!

[goingnuts]

greengeek: I will test your wifi script later. I have uploaded a new build of Links-2.7 - static...same place as stated in former post - but with more features enabled. Gmail tested and works.

starhawk: There are cs423x drivers present in pupngo2012 (/lib/modules/2.6.25.16/kernel/sound/ISA/cs423x) - might try to load one of them?
The install to usb works here - try running it from within pupngo - and from a prompt or terminal if that fails too. Not every script in pupngo is portable - but normally works in P412 if every external programs are present...
Edit: The file dialog ask for the path to the iso-file you want to install - and nothing indicates that - Sorry.

[starhawk]

Hmmm... cs-4236 loads BUT doesn't work. cs-4232 loads, doesn't work, AND won't unload. Oops! It doesn't help that cs-4232 gives a segfault error. Looks like there's a missing file -- snd-cs4232-lib.ko is not present. FWIW, cs-4231 fails with a device not found error (as it should).

BTW, aumix typed in a terminal makes the system pause for about a half second and then I get a # prompt. No errors, no mixer -- it just doesn't work. Whoops.

...one other question: what calls Xorg / Xvesa on bootup? Is that part of initrd or something later on?

EDIT: going to have some fun here I'm downloading Puppy 431-k2.6.25.16 -- Puppy 432v3, running on the CPi as a full install, is a derivative of 431 by ttuuuxxx (I think I spelled that right ) and I'm gonna lift alsamixer and the required sound driver out, if they work. Vanilla 431 uses a later kernel, but Barry made some "special" models at the time, this being one with the Puppy 4.1.* kernel.

[goingnuts]

Try "aumix -h"
if in X and you type aumix the gtk interface should popup...
It just does not work the way you expect I think.

/etc/profile starts xwin if /etc/autostartx contains "yes"
If Xvesa or Xorg is started depends on to which X is symlinked.

If snd-cs4232-lib.ko is missing its also missing in P412 - if kernel 2.6.25.16 is used in other puppys and you can find the driver there you should be able to copy over. modprobe snd-cs4232 does not segfault here. Attached static build of strace - might be handy to track what is happening.

[starhawk]

aumix -h posts a help message that I've seen before

aumix does as described.

aumix -q results in aumix: error opening mixer as output.

What is strace and how do I use it?

[technosaurus]

Strace tells you a lot of information that is going on behind the scenes. You can often deduce the cause of an error by examining the last several lines of strace output.
strace command args

[starhawk]

So I'm supposed to copy strace to... what, /usr/bin? and then type strace modprobe snd-cs4232 and it'll tell me where the magic breaks down?

EDIT: formatting fixed

...or can I do it by going to /mnt/sdb1 where the strace bin will be, and typing the bold text above and it will work then?

[starhawk]

OK, got strace figured out. Guess I'm not as dumb as I thought

Looks like it's just a driver-device mismatch -- strace spits out, among plenty of other gobbledegook the string "wrong ioctl for device" or something like that.

I'll try strace on the cs4236 driver in a minute, and edit this post with results.

EDIT: does the same thing in the same places. Looks like a bad driver or something. The proper phrase is "inappropriate ioctl for device".

[starhawk]

OK, screw the audio, not gonna work.

A different point of confusion... how does pUPnGO "know" to call xvesa on bootup, and NOT xorg? Even when the Xorg PET is installed by a run through Woofy, something is missing and it still automatically calls xvesa when it should not. What do I change to fix that? (I see no symlinks to xvesa or xorg within /etc/profile -- or, in fact, anywhere else!)

[goingnuts]

...A different point of confusion... how does pUPnGO "know" to call xvesa on bootup, and NOT xorg? Even when the Xorg PET is installed by a run through Woofy, something is missing and it still automatically calls xvesa when it should not. What do I change to fix that? (I see no symlinks to xvesa or xorg within /etc/profile -- or, in fact, anywhere else!)

/etc/profile starts xwin if /etc/autostartx contains "yes"
If Xvesa or Xorg is started depends on to which X is symlinked.

What your /usr/X11R7/bin/X point to is what you get.

[greengeek]

goingnuts - I've had another look at the wireless manager script, and to my untrained eye it seems to contain the ability to scan for networks, ask for passphrase, build the wpa_supplicant and run dhcpcd - but it doesn't do any of that when I run it - so I'm wondering if there are some compulsory prerequisites that I am failing to fulfil?
When I run the wireless manager I get a dialog on screen with 4 options - close, connect, disconnect, or change boot options. If I choose connect it says "wireless adapter found, press ok to continue" but if I press ok it just goes round in a loop. (should there be another entry in that dialog, for "scan for networks" maybe?). Im perfectly happy being able to connect manually with Tempestuous' cli instructions but if there is some easy way to have the manager functional it would be a significant asset.

Also - thanks for the links pet - it works fine. It gave an error when I tried to install it ("can't access /tmp/xxx") but I manually copied the files from /tmp to /usr/bin and share etc and all good now

[goingnuts]

greengeek: Yes - the wireless manager should take care of it all. I just booted pupngo2012 from CD and managed to connect to my wireless with it...so sometimes it work.

You say 'If I choose connect it says "wireless adapter found, press ok to continue"': It should say "wireless adapter found wlan0, press ok to continue" or at least print the found interface. If the interface is missing that might mess up the following call to "wpa_cli -i $INTERFACE scan > /dev/null" which is in an endless loop. Try to look in /tmp/interfaces to view what interfaces was found.

[greengeek]

Try to look in /tmp/interfaces to view what interfaces was found.

Thanks - the wireless interface is listed there as eth1 instead of wlan0, so maybe that explains the problem? Also I see that in the script there are references to iwconfig - and I recall some comments that iwconfig works for WEP and WPA2 but not WPA, which is what I am using.

No matter - I shall continue with my manual cli and script trials.

Also - when I tried to read the wpa_cli file as text I could not see any valid looking script - it showed something like [][][]ELF[][][]. Any idea what that is about?

[goingnuts]

Not quite sure why it says eth1 - have you disconnected all wired net cables during your trials?
The wpa_cli is a binary file not a script. You can use it standalone to connect (as far as I know) from a terminal.
There might be settings in the script for WPA that are wrong - I can only test WPA2 here.
ADD: Some drivers did not make it into pUPnGO which might be needed to get wireless working. I have uploaded a sfs-file here with these drivers.

[starhawk]

One more question -- where is that xorgwizard mini version that you put together (that config's and runs xvesa)? That typo is still in my version (I haven't re-downloaded it) and I'd like to get rid of it.

[goingnuts]

starhawk: Did you get the install2usb to work? Anything from your download of Puppy 431-k2.6.25.16/Puppy 432v3 that helped (I think the wireless drivers might be worth a try)?Still interested in a port of SNS (I am still interested in finding the source...must be somewhere out there....)?
Glad you got Xorg working ! Sorry about the sound not working...

The typo is placed in "/usr/sbin/setmouse.sh" - and no need for re download - no new revision uploaded.

And thanks for all your testing and reporting

[starhawk]

I stopped bothering with install2usb when I remembered that the CPi is far, far too antique to boot from it. Although I did eventually get Plop to boot the USB disk, the one single USB port on the CPi is USB1.1 at most (it might actually be 1.0 -- the Dell spec sheet is unclear) and so there are significant advantages to booting from CD -- the time it takes to boot via USB is ridiculous. I would NOT want to do that on this system with a regular Puppy! ...to be fair, once it was booted, it was properly responsive, just... it took bloody forever to boot, like 5-10min.

I will note that a USB2.0 cardbus hub I have does not appear to work, although I was mainly trying to boot from it. (Plop cannot boot from devices attached to hubs!)

Gave up on the drivers -- I don't know how a zdrv works, and without being able to unpack it (one of the things I don't know) I can't do much there.

I can try and migrate SNS over from 431 -- shouldn't be that hard since I really don't see it being a binary. I tend to ferret out dependencies by reading the shell scripts that make up so much of Puppy. Easier to find and copy what it calls, when you know what it calls Besides, it's great for learning: you can see what code does what, since it's all so well-commented. Lotsa comments are a big plus in programming

...my worry with SNS is that it will use GTK2 and need to be backported to GTK1. I guess I could post the necessary files and let you do the work? I barely know a little QBASIC -- bash scripts are well beyond me! (It's like a foreign dialect of a familiar language -- you can sorta understand what stuff means, but it's hard to get the full picture overall.)

The other thing that's throwing me for a loop tho is how the pUPnGO Menu is created. I don't see a .jwmrc-menu file ANYWHERE and there's no /etc/xdg/ either.

...one last thing. The Console font is still very ugly even when in Xorg with proper drivers and screen size, as if it's using the wrong resolution. Any guess as to what might cause that? (I can post a photo if it helps.)

EDIT: the sound is simply a matter of compiling a replacement driver (is there a devx for pUPnGO?) but I really don't want to mess with that, partially because it's in the zdrv and partially because this CPi is so unbelievably underpowered compared to modern stuff that it's not funny. I'd probably eat up a whole day doing it right. Remember that my ability to compile is basically limited to typing "make [target]" in the Console!

[goingnuts]

Thanks for the updates. I would like to look at the SNS scripts - I have started to backport different networkmanagers but never finished any of them as most are huge and spread over a lot of files. So I you have the script(s) you are welcome to send them to me and I give it a try.

pUPnGO can install a sfs-file - use pkginstall.sh /path/2/sfs-file and it will be installed as if it was a pet. And uninstall as well...

The jwm menu is created by /root/pm_jwm_xdg.sh which read through the /usr/share/application/*.desktop files and generate the menu - sort of poor mans xdg.

Not many fonts in pUPnGO - only the ones I could not remove without breaking something You might try to put the full load of fonts from another puppy back and see if that helps.

There are no devx - I use the devx for P412 and an additional uclibc/dietlibc toolchain. I have worked on a devx for some time as well as a "pUPnGO-from-source-script" but they seem to never finish.

If you can get your hands on the sound-driver source I could try to make one for you - would be nice to get that working as well...

[starhawk]

"pUPnGO from source script" ... meaning a woof-like setup?

What would be even better is to be able to generate a 'mock pUPnGO' or 'pUPnGO edition' of/from other Puppies or Puplets.

That would be way cool -- for example, I could then generate a 432v3 version of pUPnGO and have sound work just fine. THAT edition of the sound driver is known good for sure. (I'll see if sources are included in a few.)

I'll get you the SNS scripts and other stuff, gz'd as one big pile so you have the complete setup ready to be PETed when you've got it working.

I'll post again when I've got those two bits together.

[goingnuts]

starhawk: thx

greengeek: I found that mp (minimal profit) text editor seems to work ok with copy paste between applications without crashing the source application - still a mystery why beaver and other gtk1.2 apps does that. mp has a different way of selecting text (right mouse button and mark outer points of that is to be selected) but normal shift-key and arrows/ctrl-c/ctrl-v works as well.

Attached tar.gz file - use "tar -xzf mp-3.3.18b.tar.gz" to unpack and copy the extracted files to /