THINSlacko
Aaaah, that comment made me chuckle and weep. Thanks ETP. Certainly a read of the first post for 3HD makes it look like a hybrid FrankenPup from Hell but based on the comments of some of the users it looks like a distro well worth keeping in the back kennel for the days when nothing else works.
For now, your description was enough to make me want to keep my distance
For now, your description was enough to make me want to keep my distance
ThinSlacko16-16.11
Just an experiment - probably won't be maintained
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A Woof-CE-Rationalise build using the attached config files
A cut down version of slacko-6.9.6.4 (interested to hear if anything else should have been removed). xserver_xorg_thin copied from THINSlacko-5.3.3t
Kernel in zdrv is 4.8.8 32-bit pae
No browser or firmware in the iso - an adrv with the light-48 webbrowser and an fdrv with firmware (e.g. for wifi) are in the download folder. Size still comes out at 175MB even with all these cuts....
Items removed compared to slacko-6.9.6.4 are:
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A Woof-CE-Rationalise build using the attached config files
A cut down version of slacko-6.9.6.4 (interested to hear if anything else should have been removed). xserver_xorg_thin copied from THINSlacko-5.3.3t
Kernel in zdrv is 4.8.8 32-bit pae
No browser or firmware in the iso - an adrv with the light-48 webbrowser and an fdrv with firmware (e.g. for wifi) are in the download folder. Size still comes out at 175MB even with all these cuts....
Items removed compared to slacko-6.9.6.4 are:
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PKGS_SPECS_TABLE='
removed|abiword||exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|alsaequal||exe,dev
removed|aspell|aspell|exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|caps||exe,dev
removed|didiwiki||exe,dev
removed|gnome-icon-theme||exe>dev,dev,doc,nls| #too bloated for main fs so send to devx, needed to compile some progs
removed|gnumeric||exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|goffice||exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|gutenprint|gutenprint|exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|hiawatha||exe,dev
removed|homebank||exe,dev>null,doc,nls
removed|inkscapelite||exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|kernel_headers_musl||exe>dev
removed|linux-header|kernel-headers|exe>dev,dev,doc,nls
removed|mozilla-firefox|mozilla-firefox|exe,dev>null,doc>null| #must keep maintained if used, no from patches repo
removed|network_roxapp_samba||exe
removed|pequalizer||exe
removed|pmusic_PLUGIN_tray||exe
removed|samba||exe,dev,doc
removed|sfs_manager||exe
removed|sylpheed||exe,dev,doc>null,nls>null
removed|updates_mgr||exe
removed|xf86-video-fbdev||exe,dev,doc| #virtualbox with UEFI needs this
removed|x-keyboard||exe,dev
removed|xserver_xorg|xorg-server,xf86-video-*,xf86-input-*|exe,dev,doc,nls
substituted|xserver_xorg_thin|xorg-server,
xf86-video-*,xf86-input-*,-xf86-video-dummy,-xf86-video-glint,
-xf86-video-nsc,-xf86-video-radeonhd,-xf86-video-tga,
-xf86-video-vga|exe,dev,doc,nls
removed|xvkbd||exe,dev
removed|YASSM||exe
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LxPup = Puppy + LXDE
Main version used daily: LxPupSc; Assembler of UPups, ScPup & ScPup64, LxPup, LxPupSc & LxPupSc64
Main version used daily: LxPupSc; Assembler of UPups, ScPup & ScPup64, LxPup, LxPupSc & LxPupSc64
How much are Thin, or Slim
Thin, slim... browser included or not...
Your Thin is bigger than Slim x-Slacko by mistfire xslacko-slim-Auguste.iso: 156 M (browser included)
Thin Slacko 5.3.3 Slacko-5.3.3thin-SCSI.iso: 100 M (browser included) is much lighter than Slim X-Slacko.
slimX-6.iso: 170 M....
The Puppy OS has to be fluent on 512MB ACER aspire 1640, where x-slim slacko is not. That is the challenge. Thin 5.3.3 is fluent but has a bug for pupsaves.
mistfire process to trim the fat.
Windows XP ended around 2011. We need drivers for computers 2011 and older. Drivers and libs for newer technologies (3D, Dri, bluetooth) are useless and fill the RAM.
Computers with Windows 7 generally have at least 1GB RAM and can run all standard puppies, no need to delete the Included browser or something else.
Your Thin is bigger than Slim x-Slacko by mistfire xslacko-slim-Auguste.iso: 156 M (browser included)
Thin Slacko 5.3.3 Slacko-5.3.3thin-SCSI.iso: 100 M (browser included) is much lighter than Slim X-Slacko.
slimX-6.iso: 170 M....
The Puppy OS has to be fluent on 512MB ACER aspire 1640, where x-slim slacko is not. That is the challenge. Thin 5.3.3 is fluent but has a bug for pupsaves.
mistfire process to trim the fat.
Windows XP ended around 2011. We need drivers for computers 2011 and older. Drivers and libs for newer technologies (3D, Dri, bluetooth) are useless and fill the RAM.
Computers with Windows 7 generally have at least 1GB RAM and can run all standard puppies, no need to delete the Included browser or something else.
16-16.11: interesting. No browser installed in basic, as advertised - probably not generally acceptable?
Otherwise, works OK and has some endearing features, would be much much better if it could be downsized to rival John's MeanPup masterpiece - still the one to beat ten years on?!
Anyone (including John!) know a live URL for Meanpup d/l? All the old ones are dead.
Don't like the overhead duplication tray, reminds me of certain other distros I particularly dislike. [micko1 told me how to remove it, but it's so convoluted I can't remember] The concept of .sfs/adrv/zdrv s & co. doesn't appeal to me, esp. in a super-compact offering. Lots of particularly bland backgrounds. Not a show stopper, but why not select a few interesting ones like micko' s guitar/moonshine/guy-on-a-bike?..anything else should have been removed
Otherwise, works OK and has some endearing features, would be much much better if it could be downsized to rival John's MeanPup masterpiece - still the one to beat ten years on?!
Anyone (including John!) know a live URL for Meanpup d/l? All the old ones are dead.
Distros nowadays come with bigger libs (much bigger), borrowing libs and apps from them ensures a bigger iso. That's probably what people don't understand or refuse to understand.Sage wrote:16-16.11: interesting. No browser installed in basic, as advertised - probably not generally acceptable?Don't like the overhead duplication tray, reminds me of certain other distros I particularly dislike. [micko1 told me how to remove it, but it's so convoluted I can't remember] The concept of .sfs/adrv/zdrv s & co. doesn't appeal to me, esp. in a super-compact offering. Lots of particularly bland backgrounds. Not a show stopper, but why not select a few interesting ones like micko' s guitar/moonshine/guy-on-a-bike?..anything else should have been removed
Otherwise, works OK and has some endearing features, would be much much better if it could be downsized to rival John's MeanPup masterpiece - still the one to beat ten years on?!
Why not use adrv, fdrv? Just place the files and boot. A puppy must come with dillo at best and with no office tools, because there's no way to please everyone. It must be like the tiny core approach. And the adrv, fdrv, ydrv, fill in the gaps.. learn to how to use them (they work from the first boot) or install the apps from the PPM.
Understanding them can be a challenge. I feel they are not labelled in such a way that explains their function or their position within the layer hierarchy. I feel they should be renamed to enhance their understandability.jlst wrote:Why not use adrv, fdrv? Just place the files and boot. .... And the adrv, fdrv, ydrv, fill in the gaps.. .
EDIT :
eg; something like this:
updates_layer.sfs (ydrv ??)
master_layer.sfs (zdrv ??)
basepup_layer.sfs (eg pup431.sfs)
slave_layer_1.sfs
slave_layer_2.sfs
firmware.sfs (fdrv ??)
applications.sfs (adrv ??)
personal_configuration_files.sfs
I know thats ugly and clunky but conceptually I think it would be helpful to have better naming of the .drv concept
You're right. I think this is the order they are found (if i'm not mistaken):greengeek wrote:Understanding them can be a challenge. I feel they are not labelled in such a way that explains their function or their position within the layer hierarchy. I feel they should be renamed to enhance their understandability.jlst wrote:Why not use adrv, fdrv? Just place the files and boot. .... And the adrv, fdrv, ydrv, fill in the gaps.. .
puppy.sfs
zdrv.sfs
fdrv.sfs
adrv.sfs
ydrv.sfs
from bottom to top
i'm producing a precise puppy, and it's about 169mb (gzip compressed) with all the updated stuff i put into it, but without abiword and gnumeric (though most if not all dependencies are there) and a few other apps. no retro stuff, even though i'm using a 2003 pc, it looks like the retro stuff is for machines from the 90s and for DSL
i'm using 512mb of ram and it's clear to me that a complete puppy is not the best solution. i'd say a semi barebones puppy is ok, but creating a savefolder and install everything on it. that's what puppy is about.
running a browser from a savefolder or savefile makes more sense too.
@Sage
Try here: http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/
Specifically: http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/index.php?dir=2.02%2F
Is that series 2.02? puppy-2.02-opera.iso 51896KB. So long ago..... Sigh!Anyone (including John!) know a live URL for Meanpup d/l? All the old ones are dead.
Try here: http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/
Specifically: http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/index.php?dir=2.02%2F
@ Peebee
Wow, that 4.8.x kernel is big. A long-term solution might be better accomplished using
k3.16.37 (or 38 if ready). It might also be a bit smaller.
Regards
8Geee
Wow, that 4.8.x kernel is big. A long-term solution might be better accomplished using
k3.16.37 (or 38 if ready). It might also be a bit smaller.
Regards
8Geee
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The size of the kernel and firmware is important too. I've been increasing the kernel size and firmware for my personal builds, because i don't like trying puppies, i want a universal one for me as i don't have time for scientific research about making things work when things are missing. I know how to deal with a big puppy having even 256MB of ram, i repackage the sfs with no compression and avoid loading anything into ram or i just perform a full install. the only reason i have for relative small puppies is because i have to build them and test them, so i need something somewhat small to perform this operation over and over again.
for my precise unofficial release i think i'll go with a tiny core kernel config and firmware, dillo and a few essential apps i can't live without (some lxde apps, engrampa, deadbeef). it will be semi barebones (many libs though) but probably not as small as it should be.. i estimate 120-150MB gzipped. just a test that will become something else for my personal use.
this is the tiny core kernel config i'm talking about: http://tinycorelinux.net/6.x/x86/release/src/kernel/ then i have to look for the corresponding kernel firmware.. of course i will offer absolutely no support...
for my precise unofficial release i think i'll go with a tiny core kernel config and firmware, dillo and a few essential apps i can't live without (some lxde apps, engrampa, deadbeef). it will be semi barebones (many libs though) but probably not as small as it should be.. i estimate 120-150MB gzipped. just a test that will become something else for my personal use.
this is the tiny core kernel config i'm talking about: http://tinycorelinux.net/6.x/x86/release/src/kernel/ then i have to look for the corresponding kernel firmware.. of course i will offer absolutely no support...
Wow! You folks, Fossil, ally, 8G are on the ball - I couldn't find it. At that time (~10yrs ago) there was a move to provide a complete OS that would fit on a credit card CD - John's was the best. He spoke about further possible upgrades, but, like the rest of us, life moved on.
As for the arguments about supplementary additions to a base distro - fine, but it's a cludge. What is needed is a basic distro like MeanPup, a working browser (Opera), a secure kernel, easy availability of video & printer drivers and a comprehensive PPM. Anything more is overkill, frills, not to say developers ego trip in many of the listings, eg on DistroWatch & co. We all know where coding bloat was born. Remember K.I.S.S. All the most important scientific innovations have been reduced to a single-line equation, viz. e=mc^2, the Dirac, the Hamiltonian, etc. John Murga, Barry Kauler and a few others are fortunately endowed with such clear thought that they are able to reduce their code ad minimus, thereby achieving elegance.
As for the arguments about supplementary additions to a base distro - fine, but it's a cludge. What is needed is a basic distro like MeanPup, a working browser (Opera), a secure kernel, easy availability of video & printer drivers and a comprehensive PPM. Anything more is overkill, frills, not to say developers ego trip in many of the listings, eg on DistroWatch & co. We all know where coding bloat was born. Remember K.I.S.S. All the most important scientific innovations have been reduced to a single-line equation, viz. e=mc^2, the Dirac, the Hamiltonian, etc. John Murga, Barry Kauler and a few others are fortunately endowed with such clear thought that they are able to reduce their code ad minimus, thereby achieving elegance.
slackot 16.11
Wow... my first non grub start problems. Lightintng loading and presto! linux last kernel working.
Is there any plans for a 64bit version of this slackot?... 32bit is for obsolet pc's I know, but innovation to dual core and/or core2 64bit is a great deal... I think.
Using firefox ESR 45.5 now. thanks for the iso.
Is there any plans for a 64bit version of this slackot?... 32bit is for obsolet pc's I know, but innovation to dual core and/or core2 64bit is a great deal... I think.
Using firefox ESR 45.5 now. thanks for the iso.
And what about wireless drivers.... they tend to need some big firmware files... what if you can't use a puppy to connect to the internet?Sage wrote:As for the arguments about supplementary additions to a base distro - fine, but it's a cludge. What is needed is a basic distro like MeanPup, a working browser (Opera), a secure kernel, easy availability of video & printer drivers and a comprehensive PPM. Anything more is overkill, frills, not to say developers ego trip in many of the listings, eg on DistroWatch & co. We all know where coding bloat was born. Remember K.I.S.S. All the most important scientific innovations have been reduced to a single-line equation, viz. e=mc^2, the Dirac, the Hamiltonian, etc. John Murga, Barry Kauler and a few others are fortunately endowed with such clear thought that they are able to reduce their code ad minimus, thereby achieving elegance.
I used to use opera. then it failed to display many pages and some weird stuff happened very often, then i switched to QtWeb, which is the web browser i use daily in a pc with 2.4ghz celeron cpu from 2003, 20gb hard drive, 512MB ram.
To me opera is below qtweb and just slightly above dillo, (which is about 500kb gzipped) when it comes to updates.
I understand why people would want something complete but with things that are mostly useless nowadays, it's because compiling and updating apps... and uploading them to the official repos has been always a dark art in the puppy land. That's why i updated manually all the apps i use in precise... and thought, this is just as small as the previous versions... why is the pet packages repo always outdated? I didn't understand.
As for me, i always knew puppy is a "handicapped" distro that i must compile my favorite apps or download them manually from somewhere else... never trusted the PPM or used it enough to trust it. That's why the forum is so useful, you have look for download links just like when you're looking for movies or music...
You see that it's impossible to reach an agreement about what is right, and when we want something small but with the right choices - this is critical.
Thin Slacko remains the perfect one, doesn't it ?
Why so many questions. Thin Slacko remains the perfect one, doesn't it ? What was removed to make it Thin ? printing stuff, that is sure.
But browser, a real browser, is included. I think it is impossible to get a better ratio of efficiency , excepted with Dpup squeeze (and Racy 5.3), not better but similar
Ready for use Puppy Linux, of course.
But browser, a real browser, is included. I think it is impossible to get a better ratio of efficiency , excepted with Dpup squeeze (and Racy 5.3), not better but similar
Ready for use Puppy Linux, of course.
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Re: Thin Slacko remains the perfect one, doesn't it ?
It's not retro enough, using gzip compression it will be about 120-145MB.Pelo wrote:Why so many questions. Thin Slacko remains the perfect one, doesn't it ? What was removed to make it Thin ? printing stuff, that is sure.
But browser, a real browser, is included. I think it is impossible to get a better ratio of efficiency , excepted with Dpup squeeze (and Racy 5.3), not better but similar
Ready for use Puppy Linux, of course.
And firefox, seamonkey, and all mozilla apps are too heavy for a "conservative" use. I found qtweb to be the most lightweight and still usable. It may become obsolete soon though..
QtWeb is more a browser than Dillo.
QtWeb is more a browser than Dillo. What does obsolete mean ?
My computer is now obsolete too. But enough for my needs.Pelo is obsolete too, But he is not the only one. My criteria is what i need for my pleasure with a computer.
I have a smartphone, i had a tablet, but at home thin Slacko is enough for me.
My computer is now obsolete too. But enough for my needs.Pelo is obsolete too, But he is not the only one. My criteria is what i need for my pleasure with a computer.
I have a smartphone, i had a tablet, but at home thin Slacko is enough for me.
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