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#46 Post by Lobster »

antiloquax wrote:Hi Lobster,
I haven't tried Barry's compile of Rox. What's the advantage of this over the Rox from the Arch repo? Is it smaller, faster? I may try it tomorrow if I get a chance.
Well I got a segmentation fault. I wish you more luck. It is more than likely smaller and is designed to link into Puppy programs, icons etc.
Anyway, today I have been continuing to make slight progress.
I've installed xarchiver. I was having problems with Pygame in Python2, so I ditched that and compiled Python3.1.4. The current Arch version is 3.2.3 (I think). Pygame sound doesn't work yet with 3.2.x
The sound facility/driver ALSA driver is at an early stage. I am not bothering with for example mhwaveedit.
I have pygame working now and it's importing images properly. So that's nice. I tried to install transmission-gtk, but got some errors. I will have to check my mirrors more thoroughly.
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Good that you are making progress. :) Yesterday I tried making use of upx to make programs smaller (without success). Though Puppy programs are compressed and decompressed before running anyways . . . Gnumeric was working OK. I have also started a simple bash script for the puppification of Squeeze. 8)
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#47 Post by antiloquax »

That's great Lobster.
I am planing to install Scratch later. The version in the Arch repo is marked as "out of date" so I will have a go with the source files.
I'm planning to try to include some more specific Puppy bits (eg the screenshot shell script from Slacko).
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#48 Post by Flash »

Here are two articles about the Raspberry Pi board, one with pictures of the board.
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/rasp ... hotopaging
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/europe ... ag=nl.e010

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#49 Post by antiloquax »

I've made some more progress with the Arch Puppi.
I've installed Open JDK, Greenfoot, GeoGebra, Lua and Ruby.
At present I can't get Scratch to work.
I've used the Slacko JWM tray and menu structure.
I will make a copy of the filesystem as soon as I can and upload it. This will probably take a long time as my internet connection isn't very fast. I don't see how I can make a proper image like the original one, but you should be able to dd the file-system across into an SD card set up with the original Arch image.
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creating img file

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dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/a/mounted/filesystem/filename.img 
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 977#621977
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#51 Post by Flash »

Lobster wrote:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 449#621449:
Can somebody with electronics knowledge explain this comment:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1090#comment-20572

I am quite keen on locking the SD boot device - only using it to boot from....
Ville on April 20, 2012 at 8:07 am said:

Wow, that actually explains why the lock “switch

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#52 Post by antiloquax »

Hi Lobster,
Yes I used DD to create an image of the filesystem that I used in qemu (uploading to Ubuntu One now - very slow!)
What I wondered was if I could make a bootable SD card & image. I have had a go at this (but have no way to test it until I get my Pi).

I have a supposedly "2gb" card and I tried to DD the arch image onto it, but it isn't big enough! I had a go at DD-ing the boot partition onto it, but libparted told me that there were problems when I tried to run a check. Having said that Windows could see the files in this partition, so maybe it didn't matter!
I'm hoping to have a killer Arch-Pup by the time my Pi arrives!

I have one annoying problem. The "Up" key seems to be mapped to "print screen"! I've had a look at my .jwmrc and xorg settings, but so far I haven't solved it.
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#53 Post by Jades »

I visited the Wakefield RISC OS Show on Saturday, Very interesting. Two stands had Raspberry Pis running. One had a version of Linux on it, I didn't have time for any more than a quick play but it appeared that the WM it was using was Openbox - I'm guessing this from the appearance of the icon bar and the presence of some Openbox items in the menu,
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#54 Post by antiloquax »

The file mentioned in my previous post is corrupt is some way.
I'll repost a link if I manage to get it working.
sorry!
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#55 Post by Lobster »

Thanks guys :)

If anyone feels like having a look

Downloading and gonna burn over my Debian
. . . hope it works :)

If it is stable and faster - oh joy 8)

MarkG asked about Bacon Twitter - I did not test it
It is the GUI building that interests me
Progs can be created on X86 and easily moved

Report back soon :)
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#56 Post by Lobster »

Not sure what I am doing wrong but downloaded and tried to unzip twice . . .

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# unzip puppi.zip 
Archive:  puppi.zip
  End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
  a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
  latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
  the last disk(s) of this archive.
unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of puppi.zip or
        puppi.zip.zip, and cannot find puppi.zip.ZIP, period.
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#57 Post by antiloquax »

antiloquax wrote:
I haven'd had a chance yet to download it and test it, but hopefully it is ok.
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Hmmm :oops: I've just tried downloading it and unzipping but something is wrong. Sorry - I'll try re-uploading it.
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#58 Post by Lobster »

I'll try re-uploading it.
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Thanks Mark - appreciate the efforts

. . .meanwhile . . .
I tried compiling a GUI editor in and for Bacon
It took aprox 90 minutes to interpret and compile . . . and needed some dependencies
. . . could be a slow and laborious process to error check and I may have to put that on hold.

Compiling and optimisation is going to be critical
I may need a genie
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/ValaGenieintro
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#59 Post by Lobster »

OK been trying valac (the deb)
but it needs GTK+ and I am still unable to find this with synaptic

Must look again - got to be there somewhere
Not telling me I have to compile the GTK+ :?

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#60 Post by antiloquax »

I've re-uploaded my arch filesystem (to a diff hosting site). I will check it myself with an md5sum before I post the link.
BTW after tman's comments about xorg-twm, I have been playing with it and ROX. I am going to get rid of JWM, just to see if it makes any difference to performance. :)

Also, I have been reading some interesting things about assembly code, Lisp and Perl. So much to learn ...
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#61 Post by Lobster »

assembly code, Lisp and Perl.
Lisp? :) Interesting but not required . . .
I can not remember if we are Perl independent yet? It is one of Barrys goals . . . :)
Assembly coding is gonna make a lot of sense.
http://www.shervinemami.info/armAssembly.html

Assembly language optimisation is more involved for ARM
I looked at some High Level Assemblers many years ago (I know it sounds contrary but these are amazingly easy compared to traditional assembler)
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#62 Post by antiloquax »

I've been reading "Rebel Code" about GNU and Linux and there's a fair bit of discussion of LISP in that.

I think this is the reference manual for the RPi chip.

I tried to download my "arch-puppi" from adrive, but it wouldn't untar properly :(
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downloadable filesystem for arch-puppi

#63 Post by antiloquax »

Well, I have checked this and it's working.
The file is here.
The md5dum of the extracted puppi.img is:

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66a141b3cb1f1c5b51007b6ae677c789  puppi.img
I'd be interested to hear if this works on a real RPi, Lobster.
If anyone else wants to tell me how to improve it, I'd be delighted!
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#64 Post by Lobster »

I'd be interested to hear if this works on a real RPi, Lobster.
:(
Thanks for uploading
but . . . no success ['turtle soup and seaweed', as the mermaids say when disappointed]

The download site was VERY slow :?
The hashfile checked out OK :)

Basically only the red power LED came on but no booting sequence LED is initiated . . .
It may be feasible to take the boot part of the released Arch and add this to your image . . . will have a brief look at that
Image
. . . meanwhile Barry has a real woof build Puppy on ARM. Brilliant.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02808
Dougal posts in the comments section of Barrys blog:

Besides that, linux.com has something about Yocto and apparently you can use it to build a distro even if you don't have the HW, as they have an ARM emulator:
https://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mob ... 12-release
(that might be better than trying a T2 build... and you can build on a desktop machine, which might be faster.)


We really need Puppy on Rpi as we have the means to speed Raspberries up.

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#65 Post by antiloquax »

Hi Lobster,
sorry that didn't work :(
It'll be easier when I have a Pi and I can test stuff properly before sharing links to stuff that doesn't work! :oops:

Anyway ... I've had a look at Barry's blog where he was talking about compiling stuff and I have compiled rxvt.
It works fine. I will have a go at making a .pet later. :)

EDIT - by the way Lobster - do I need to do anything special when compiling, or is ./configure, make, make install ok?
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