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How to create and format partitions with Gparted?
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Mar 2012, 17:27    Post subject:  

Thanks, I guess it easiest for me to keep it as is
until it show the need for expanding.
Much appreciated you cared.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 09:19    Post subject: Re: How to create and format partitions with Gparted?
Subject description: I need to learn this.
 

nooby wrote:
I start all over. I should have learned this a long time ago.
But I drown in all the details.

I don't get how to tell Gparted to make room for a partition
that is the first one.

rcrsn51 told me to make a small one that is for grub4dos to have
gldr and menu.lst on it and so on. Only for to be able to boot

Then sda 2 should be a big partition maybe 8GB or bigger and the rest
should be Data for back up of frugal installs or the frugal installs?
Or maybe two such partitions
sda1 say small xMB big fat 32
sda2 8GB ext3
sda3 8GB ext3
sda4 the rest of 3GB as Data ext3 ? or maybe formatted to fat32
so one can share with WinXP

So now it is one big partition about 19GB and a very small one
not sure what is on it. or what name it has. Gpart does not say?

So how do I tell or set up gparted so it makes these partitions in right order?

I want to first do this

"1. Make a small FAT32 partition at the start of the drive. It will be used by GRUB4DOS to hold the files grldr and menu.lst. "

Maybe one need to start all over? Tell it do do one partition a certain size?

But I vaguely remember one need to resized the one that is already there.
I have no idea how one do that.


I need to start all over so I learn the basic. Could I get help with this please!

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 21:01    Post subject:  

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"1. Make a small FAT32 partition at the start of the drive. It will be used by GRUB4DOS to hold the files grldr and menu.lst. "

I see no reason to do this. Grub4dos will put these two files on the first partition by default. As I understand, it does not care what format partition is.
If you run Grub4dos Bootloader config and choose the default options. It will install to the hard drive MBR(master boot record) and put the files grldr and menu.lst on the first partition.

AS to partition layout. It is really up to the user and what he wants to do.

Puppy frugal installs- any partition any format. One big partition is all you need.

Puppy full installs- partition has to be Linux format. (ext2,3,or4).

Easy way - one big partition using entire hard drive.
After that, any layout you like is good.
Low memory computers are helped by having a Linux swap partition.
Suggest 1GB or larger swap partition.
If you duel boot with Windows it needs its own partition, format NTFS.
To share data with Windows on duel boot setups, a partition formatted NTFS or Fat 32 is needed. Data stored there can be seen by Windows and Puppy.

As to size of partition and how many. Again what do you want to do?
What are you putting on partition and using it for?
Windows needs 20GB.
Puppy full install needs 500MB minimum, but more if you install stuff.
Puppy frugal installs need around 200MB of space for Puppy and what ever is needed to add programs.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 01:29    Post subject:  

I find this description good
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=617819#617819

The problem for me is that I don't know how to use gparted to do
what rcrsn51 suggests. I have found this tutorial
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html

But I drown in all the details. So I need a helping hand to start
with what rcrsn51 describe in link above.

Quote:

Why not use one of your three partitions for Puppy frugal installs? Each Puppy would be in its own folder.

When you install another Linux, it would go in its own partition and never touch the Puppies.

You would just need to rebuild the GRUB2 menu to add the Puppy entries again.

(and from another of his helpful posts )

1. Make a small FAT32 partition at the start of the drive. It will be used by GRUB4DOS to hold the files grldr and menu.lst. GRUB4DOS will put its startup code on the MBR of the drive. Nothing else will go here.

2. Make some other partitions. If you need more than three, create an extended partition and put other partitions inside it.

3. Boot up a Linux off its CD and run the install procedure. For Ubuntu 10.10, I used the following steps.

a. Do a manual install to a partition.
b. Set the mount point of the selected partition as "/".
c. Install GRUB2 to the partition boot sector. ie sda2, NOT sda.

4. When done, boot off a Puppy CD.

5. Run GRUB4DOS bootloader config. It will auto-detect the new Linux, create a menu.lst and make the drive bootable.

6. To add another Linux, repeat steps 3, 4 and 5.


So the reason for different threads is that one are about grub2 and grub4dos interacting together and this thread now is for learning how
to even use gparted. Another issue.

So I have now edited my first post to be as consistent as I am able to write
but sadly it is a TLDR typical Nooby text

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 04:59    Post subject:  

Finally Now I have started up an old computer HP Pavilion
that have no internal HD so nothing can be compromized
except the 2GB usb flash memory that I use to boot and
use puppy to gparted the external USB 20GB HD.

So that situation is a bit like the old Dell that now is on Trash Bin.

So please teach me how to do these partitions. I am ready! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 08:23    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
So please teach me how to do these partitions. I am ready! Smile


??????

You built a bunch of partitions on the Dell machine so you must have already used Gparted successfully. What else do you need to know? Delete any old partitions and start building new ones.

Right-click on a partition to see a list of operations.
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 09:57    Post subject:  

But I want to follow your suggestion and make that small one first.

Now it is a big 19GB one.

So how do I make a small one that will become the sda1 with
grub4dos on it?

I can understand that you know. I have no idea how I did the
Dell machine. That where several days ago and that knowledge
is gone now. And it took me a whole day of experiments to get it
and I don't know what I did. I failed many times before it finally worked.

So need only to know how to start anew now when I have everything set up.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 10:00    Post subject:  

Right-click on the big partition and delete it.
Click on Apply - the big green check mark.
Right-click on the unallocated space and create a New partition.
There are lots of pull-down lists to try.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 10:06    Post subject:  

Yes but one have to tell it how big it should be and such.
Why should I delete it? Should I not resize it so the small
one comes first?

I don't even know how to add one to the one you say I should create first.

Too many unknown things to chose among. I drown in all the options.
Don't know in what order one do things

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 10:38    Post subject:  

Okay now I have followed the description from t6he link I gave.
Looks like this

Does that look okay? I guess now I shall install something on the ext3
and tell that to do grub2 on that ext3 whatever name it has.

then I boot back into puppy and use grub4dos then
and install puppy frugally on the first partition with
grubdos finding both puppy and the grub 2 linux?

I am installing LM12 on the ext3 partition now.
Have no idea if that works or not.
It did not ask about making a grub2 install or not
so I hope it place such on that partition. I guess
this install will take a long time? So I get back and
tell if I could boot it or not. Then I reboot into puppy
on a 2GB usb stick and use that one to do a grub4dos
frugal install of lupu528 and hope that g4d find the LM12
and do a good chain load thing so I can boot both later.
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 11:34    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
It did not ask about making a grub2 install or not so I hope it place such on that partition.

That's the danger here. If the installer didn't give you a choice of where to put GRUB, you have no control. Did it install it on the MBR of the USB drive or on the MBR of your main hard drive? You definitely DON'T want it to do the second one.

That's why it's so important to try this on a test computer.
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 11:37    Post subject:  

But this is the test computer.

I am booted in LM12 now but it fail to boot using the LM12 install
It booted using the grub4 dos install.

It never show the grub.conf dsiplay.
So not sure what that is all about.

How can I test that?

Or maybe I have to make the grub2 boot visisble by
edit out the hidden. I 've seen such reports on other forums?

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 12:02    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
It booted using the grub4 dos install.


That's exactly what you want. You have made GRUB4DOS your primary bootloader.

Quote:
Or maybe I have to make the grub2 boot visisble by edit out the hidden. I 've seen such reports on other forums?


Why are you still worried about GRUB2? You now have GRUB4DOS working as the bootloader for your system.
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 12:32    Post subject:  

But grub2 is the way to boot the majority of linux.

Take Crunchbang as far as I know it will only boot
using grub2 and a lot of other linux says so too?

I mean how am I supposed to add another linux and test that one?

I need to add to 40_custom the stanza for that linux
and then do update_grub or what code there where.

But if I never see grub 2 how can I boot ArchBang
I would need to do gru4dos config again.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 13:08    Post subject:  

Quote:
But if I never see grub 2 how can I boot ArchBang
I would need to do gru4dos config again.

Exactly. That's how this procedure will work. I described the steps here. In particular, see Step 6.

Quote:
But grub2 is the way to boot the majority of linux.

Take Crunchbang as far as I know it will only boot
using grub2 and a lot of other linux says so too?

I mean how am I supposed to add another linux and test that one?

I need to add to 40_custom the stanza for that linux
and then do update_grub or what code there where.


Then you have to make a choice. Continue to fight with GRUB2 or switch to GRUB4DOS.
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