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Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012
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01micko


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2012, 21:19    Post subject:  

I have a Pentium M too, great little machine, only has 512 RAM but can actually do a decent job of running Win7. (Of course it runs Slacko 99% of the time Smile ).

Good to see that BK is going to build an 'unofficial' non-pae version.

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2012, 22:17    Post subject: kernel headers??  

Where are we hiding those kernel headers for wary/racy as well? Tried to compile NVidia drivers and those headers where not found, expected with the huge size of dev.sfs those would be included.
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rerwin


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2012, 22:43    Post subject: martian drive firmware package  

Even though the martian modem driver is not used in precise pup, its firmware directory needlessly consumes over 400KB. Attached is the firmware converted into a "firmware_linux_module..." package, which preserves it but allows it to be removed from precise and woof. It should not be included in precise-final but can go into the pet repository with the other such packages. And be added to the woof configuration list at some point.
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rerwin


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2012, 23:36    Post subject: Obsolete cdcacm firmware  

Barry,
I just noticed that the cdcacm firmware directory is still in all-firmware. Note that it has been replaced by the updated dgcmodem firmware.

Not only should the all-firmware/cdcacm directory be deleted, the firmware.dep file should be updated as I think I described when I posted the firmware package. Specifically, the lines:
Code:
cdcacm:cdc-acm.ko
dgcmodem:dgcusbdcp.ko
should be replaced by:
Code:
dgcmodem:cdc-acm.ko,dgcusbdcp.ko


However, if the deadline has passed, these changes can wait until the next release, because the old configuration still works.
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 01:53    Post subject:
Subject description: fwiw
 

precise 5.3.97 (rc2)

..first look (and likely last as the final gets done forthwith)

As usual (with precise, anyway) needed bootcode "puppy radeon.modeset=0" to get a useable display on my hardware - lines even more scrunched after "Loading kernel modules" if no bootcode entered at splash. Quickstart works ok (ps/2 optical mouse and dropdowns fine). Only the 'move' outline is visible as a sort of border on the welcome page - kind of disorienting for any first-timers. A gray85 might be an improvement over the snow-white, impo.

Had a play with some other gtks - Gradient-brown works well (especially highlighting) and a good match for jwm theme of the same name. Other ones like the Stardust variations too. Of course some fields may be nearly illegible contrast depending on the app/gtk mix (page width drop select in abiword and menuhead selected in seamonkey for example).

Last time I handled a compact disc, it was more rigid than floppy and the thumbdrive doesn't do much but jam the disc tray (just joking, as I recall pmount tabview corrects after the initial run but still). ffconvert still doubled by FFConvert in rox OpenWith. May just be me, but I think mtpaint deserves the proper 3-crayon icon by now.

Also did a play with some personal sfses (oldish I realize as some things were 'branded' with quirky 100 but they still work mostly). Of the new apps included, pAVrecord looks mighty useful and not too daunting as such things can be. Anyhow, a screencap - did it old-school since too many jpg artefacts in the screeny 'forum-optimized' 3/4 size take of the 800x600 'given' display size.

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test on: i686 machine (12 yr old desktop)
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 02:32    Post subject: Re: kernel headers??  

Ted Dog wrote:
Where are we hiding those kernel headers for wary/racy as well? Tried to compile NVidia drivers and those headers where not found, expected with the huge size of dev.sfs those would be included.


the kernel sources are usually here http://bkhome.org/sources/

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 05:55    Post subject: SFS load on the fly not 100% work same with load on boot
Subject description: how to proper make initialisation in SFS file?
 

some time ago I have made an SFS containing AVR-GCC compiler for AVR 8 bit controler, (it is uploaded in this forum ), to proper function it must set the PATH & LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment, which is made by this script /etc/profile.local contained in SFS file:

#!/bin/sh
#set avr path, script /etc/profile calls if exist /etc/profile.local
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/avr/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/avr/lib

this script is run by /etc/profile, it works OK when SFS is load on boot by boot manager when we have created puppy save file, meaning it can be compiled from terminal window XVRT and from Geany (BUILD/Make command).

With no puppy save file , but SFS load on the fly I can compile from terminal window XVRT but it Fails to compile from inside Geany (with Build/Make command)! where is the difference? from outside X (at command prompt) if I force:
#/etc/profile.locale
#xwin
nothing change (work from XVRT terminal but not from Geany)
but if I force:
#exec /etc/profile.locale
#xwin
than everything is ok works both from XVRT terminal & Geany too!!!

So what is the difference? why it happens,why cannot work exactly in same way for SFS load on the fly and load on the boot?

what is the solution? please somebody give me a hint how to set this enviroment variables within SFS (or better how should look an better initialisation script within SFS) to work correct (the same) with no regard if is load on the fly or by boot manager or if it is run within terminal or Geany.....or maybe must be change something in the "profile" script the way it calls "profile local"? or something in Geany configuration? Anyway from now on "load SFS on the fly" will be in puppy menu and we should get a solution for this different behavior . Thanks
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artsown

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 10:43    Post subject:  

Mikesir .... I tried wine-1.4-i486.pet on Precise RC2 and I'm not
getting quality results. My reference points are both Lucid and
Luci which work exceedingly well for me in practically all respects.
But in particular their repo wine pets work well for me on those
puppies (good quality).

I uninstalled wine and tried the repository wine with the same
results (rc2) as I had with rc1 ... it claims wine is installed but
it is not. So I reinstalled the wine pet and I'm suffering poor
quality results. Don't know yet what might get me clean wine
results on rc2.

Insofar as testing rc2 goes, I've tried it now on three similar
but different PCs. The "mostly black screen at startup" occurs
somewhat rarely with rc2 but the problem is still there. I found
out why it's a bad idea to blindly do a Restart X Server as the
last item in the startup sequence. If Puppy picks the wrong
video driver (which happened on one machne here) then
doing the R X S has very negative results (all white screen
or gibberish screen) where only Ctrl-Alt-Backspace or pulling
the power plug gets you out.

I had one instance where Personal Settings showed Vesa
after I purposely set a intel driver. I've also experienced
gibberish video after purposely setting Vesa.

Anyway, I like the speed of Precise and I'll no doubt follow
its development. But IMO it's not ready for prime time. My
pesonal favorite is Luci (three headed dog) which is solid
and quick on all three of my PCs here.

Art
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 13:21    Post subject:  

artsown,

Have you tried the Wine pets from here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=53675

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 13:27    Post subject: Chromium 24 for Precise 5.4RC  

Chromium-24.0.1297.0 sfs is available from:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=659962#659962

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artsown

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 14:28    Post subject:  

bigpup ... Yes, I think I tried at least one of those PETs.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 14:59    Post subject: Extraneous puninstall.sh file in root (top) level of CD/ISO  

Barry,
While continuing unsuccessfully to look for a reason for the 5+ megabyte difference between the original and remastered puppy files, I notice that there is a puninstall script at the top level of the main (puppy_precise_5.3.9*.sfs) file in both of the RCs. I doubt that you intend for it to be there in the final, so I thought I would mention it.
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 15:43    Post subject: Precise RC2 working fine  

Hi Barry & All,

Manual Frugal Install of RC2 to the following:
ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics supporting 1600x900 pixels
RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT1708B Analog
SB {HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT1708B Digital

Everything, including Ati Radeon Graphics, working fine. All my customary pets/Sfses are completely functional.

@ artsown: That includes Greendome's wine 1.4.1-i486.pet. Different computers, different results.Sorry, I don't recall what your computer's specs are, especially its Graphics. Perhaps someone with the same or similar setup could help figure out why you are experiencing difficulties, and how to overcome them.


I look forward to testing the non-PAE version when it becomes available.

p.s., Not crazy about the default wallpaper, but do like the default icon theme very much.

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 21:04    Post subject:  

Precise Puppy 5.4-final is out.

New Forum thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81672

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Oct 2012, 21:56    Post subject: Precise Puppy 5.4  

posted to wrong thread
Re posted in Precise 5.4 thread
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