Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012

Under development: PCMCIA, wireless, etc.
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#766 Post by pemasu »

Yep. There is at least 12.6 and 12.8 for different graphics, depending is it for desktop or laptop/dual graphics.
Nowadays it would be useful to check the needed version from this page:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

First you need to know what ati graphics you have.
# lspci |grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600 Series] (rev ff)

Yeah....I have dual graphics, makes things really interesting in Puppy world.

I believe mikeslr would have ATI HD 3100, and possibly he uses desktop, lets put those specs in the above link and Display results: AMD Catalyst™ 12.6 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver

...and my ATI needs: AMD Catalyst™ 12.8 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver

Yeah....different package. It really is useful to check the needed package first before downloading and testing it.

By the way....If you rename the package to ati.run, you need just ./ati.run in X, choose Generate distribution spesific package, choose slackware, run it, grab the created /fglrx-install.f1XXXX/packages/Slackware/_working_directory_ ie the working directory and copy it safe with all stuff inside, rename the working directory as suitable, decompress the created fglrx.ko.gz in its folder and dir2pet the renamed working directory. And do that before you exit from the gui, otherwise all the extracted stuff will be deleted.
It might even work.
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Still have video and wireless problems with rc1

#767 Post by artsown »

Test machines are both older Dell towers, one a Precision 330 and the other a Dimension 2350. Both have P4 cpus at 1.7 and 1.8 ghz. Both have 768 meg RAM. One has a Intel 82845G graphics controller and the other a Nvidia PCI card. Precise seems to correctly identify the video hardware
but .... the old black screen at startup occurs randomly on both machines, and it happens fairly often. The GUI is still useable when this occurs since the toolbar at the bottom is ok (menu is available, etc.) Then sometimes restarting X works. Sometimes trying Vesa doesn't work at all (Completely
white screen).

RC1 is still sorta flakey establishing wireless connection as well. I've managed to get it working by trying SNS repeatedly and when actually
connected to create the .2fs file. After that and reboot, it may or may not restart connected but one more connect finally does the trick. (It would be nice if Puppies had a green "connected ok" icon).

No such problems with other Puppies. Latest Lucid and Luci in particular work very well on these machines. Best of all is Luci which seems to be a bit faster that Lucid.

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Re: PAE & non-PAE

#768 Post by James C »

ozsouth wrote:Guys, this is based on Ubuntu, which now has a policy of only issuing PAE versions, due to most PCs being able to run it. I think Barry is simply following suit.
Not all buntu's....... Lubuntu 12.04 32-bit or Xubuntu 12.04 32-bit; both of these use a non-PAE kernel by default.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/117744/h ... ures-not-p

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#769 Post by James C »

Fresh manual frugal install on the Athlon XP box. No real problems.......display,sound and internet working on initial boot.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Wed 17 Oct 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.96 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
oem: NVidia
product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
1393 frames in 5.0 seconds = 278.499 FPS
2164 frames in 5.0 seconds = 432.653 FPS
2103 frames in 5.0 seconds = 420.447 FPS
2167 frames in 5.0 seconds = 433.352 FPS
1993 frames in 5.0 seconds = 398.483 FPS
2036 frames in 5.0 seconds = 407.129 FPS


-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (205MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 17 Oct 2012 03:23:59 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

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#770 Post by `f00 »

precise 5.3.96 (rc1) - first look..

Needed "puppy radeon.modeset=0" bootcode for useable display on my hardware - if bootcode not entered, display goes illegible (repeated gray/green scrunched lines) after "Loading kernel modules...".

primary p/s2 mouse correctly recognized and useable in initial quickset (dropdowns ok as well)

Default primarily-white backdrop looks clean, but initial help page has no visible border on it. Neon icon theme is a nice change.

Same minor errs as in 5395. FFConvert and ffconvert in rox OpenWith. Pmount tabview incorrect with usb in optical tab and optical in second floppy tab.

Tried my personal sfs with the on-the-fly loader .. nice to have some other wms and etc just to see my preferred 'usual' for a comparison. Afterstep's gtk-handling is almost always more legible and less prone to the too-subtle vagaries in some apps (it's somewhat rare for everything to be be nicely contrasted all the time, some fields suffer and so on :| ). Personally I'm of the opinion that fltk and qt may be less problematic than gtk at times.

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test on: i686 machine (desktop)
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

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#771 Post by futwerk »

a few backgrounds.
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Re Packaging your own Ati-Radeon Driver

#772 Post by mikeslr »

Thanks 666phib for the encouragement by suggesting it is easy.
Thanks pemasu for the detailed instructions.
I'll try them when I have enough time and patience to figure out what I'm doing wrong the first couple of tries.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." But then, you'd best also teach him how to swim.

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#773 Post by pemasu »

mikeslr. My detailed instruction for compiling was more for packaging the catalyst driver.

For compiling and installing for your own usage:
You just need to download the according package, rename it as ati.run ( for making it easier to run the command ), make the package executable, by giving the package executable permissions, easy with rox right click, then logout from X, cd to the folder where your package is and execute: ./ati.run

You need to have devx sfs and kernel source sfs installed.

If everything goes fine, you have ati installed. Execute while still in console state ie do not start X, the command: aticonfig --initial and reboot. Cross the fingers and speak your favourite mandra.

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#774 Post by LateAdopter »

A bit of clarification on AMD drivers...

The number e.g. 12.6 only refers to the year.month of release. But there are two versions of the 12.6 release.

One is for DirectX11 cards. The other is tagged as "legacy" and is for DirectX10 cards. Older cards are not supported at all.

There is only a DX11 version of 12.8

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The installer extracts its files in the same location in a temporary directory and are about 550MB. It also installs about 150MB.

If the .run file is inside the savefile then you need a lot of free space.

Surprisingly, the installer also worked when the .run file was outside the savefile in a FAT32 home partition. Then you only need space for the installation in the savefile. I think /tmp is outside the savefile.

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If you have QT installed then you can execute the file with one click from Rox, and you don't need to rename it. But you still need to aticonfig --initial from a terminal.

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I tested this on beta 6.

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no boot with pupsave

#775 Post by broomdodger »

no boot with pupsave

IBM ThinkPad X30
Mobile Pentium III 1.2 GHz PAE
768 MB ram
(my favorite travel machine)

precise5396
boot from cd
frugal manual install

Both boot and run very well with NO save file.

After the save file, there comes problems:
1) if booted with pfix=fsck, generally it works well.
2) if booted without pfix=fsck, black screen, no tray, need to force shutdown.
This has been the case with ALL versions of precise.
3) if booted with pfix=fsck, and some sfs, java or dev,
added it will not boot again, need to force shutdown.

It seems like the save file is getting corrupted.

I like the simplicity of set the icons in precise5396.

precise5396 runs fine on the Acer TravelMate.

All other puppies I have ever tried on this machine have worked.
Currently using racy5300 or wary5300.
racy5300 is the winner.

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#776 Post by bigpup »

Live CD of Precise RC1
Save file on CD

Still get this on initial boot.

Dell desktop
Pentium 4 processor
Nvidia nv37gl Quadro video card

Boots to desktop
Some desktop program icons missing or half visible
no items visible in menus
Some program icons in taskbar, but not all
The icons/entry's that should be showing in menu and taskbar. You can put mouse pointer at the location where they should be and left click will run the program that should have an icon/entry at that location.

Have to run Xorgwizard and choose Vesa driver.
Reboot using Vesa driver.
Now have usable Desktop and menu.

Will also work if choose NV driver.

A new user would have no way of running Xorgwizard with the first desktop. I guess a reboot and booting with option puppy pfix=nox would be their option to run Xorgwizard.

The driver Precise is trying to use will not work with this video card.
Have to use Vesa or NV driver to get working desktop.
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#777 Post by James C »

Installed Conky and it's deps from the Ubuntu repo.PPM missed libcurl-gnutls though but once installed Conky works fine.No other problems yet.
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#778 Post by bigpup »

Precise RC1
Live CD
save file on CD

Save icon on desktop.

Live CD not mounted.
Select save icon on desktop and save process works saving to CD.

Live CD mounted.
Select save icon and system does hard lockup. Mouse pointer is locked to icon and nothing works.
Have to do reset button reboot or power button reboot.
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uploaded hoped final for now pavrecord and precord versions

#779 Post by mcewanw »

uploaded hoped final for now pavrecord (ver 0.9.1) and precord (1.8.4) versions to their threads.
github mcewanw

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#780 Post by bigpup »

Precise RC1
Live CD
save file on CD

Xorg Video Wizard->Monitor Gamma Calibration

This program will not work. Setting changes do nothing. Have no effect.

This version of this program does not have numbers that go positive (+) and negative (-) and the settings do not start at 0.
This defect was reported some time ago in development of Lucid Puppy and program was corrected.
The version of program in Lucid Puppy works and setting changes have effect on display screen. There was a pet posted, but it is someplace in the topic about Lucid Puppy.
The version of Monitor Gamma Calibration in Lucid 528.005 works.
I guess you could get it from Lucid repo.
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#781 Post by bigpup »

Precise RC1
Live CD
save file on CD

Default Application Chooser:
Image viewer selection.
Changed from Viewnior to Mtpaint.
Saved change.
Went back to Image Viewer selection.
Only option displayed was Mtpaint.
Could not change back to Viewnior.
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#782 Post by bigpup »

Precise RC1
Live CD
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Pcur Cursor Selector

At start says need to install some cursor themes. Says to go to PPM Desktop category to get them.
I am not finding any cursor themes in any repositories under desktop.

Puppy-Precise repository has nothing listed under Desktop.
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#783 Post by bigpup »

Precise RC1
Live CD
save file on CD

menu->Desktop->Urxvtset setup terminal emulator

Change borderless setting to on.
Save setting change.

Now select desktop icon for console.

Have fun with the problems this borderless on setting causes.
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#784 Post by 666philb »

precise RC1 on macbook pro 3.1

there's something wrong with the libdbus in precice.
i tried installing qbittorent and amarok from the ubuntu repos, both have qt gui's and on running them in the terminal i was getting symbol look up errors for libqt4dbus ...

i reinstalled libdbus from the PPM and this fixed the qt errors. allowing both program to run.

amarok still needed a few things.. one of them was 'libgudev' the PPM shows it as installed when it actually isn't. so the PPM misses this dep when installing amarok.
Bionicpup64 built with bionic beaver packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=114311
Xenialpup64, built with xenial xerus packages http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=107331

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#785 Post by artsown »

Precise RC1 on Dell Dimension 2350. Frugal install.

Tried installing both wine and conky from the repos.
They both were reported as installed but neither were.
Uninstalled both.

I found a d/l somewhere for a wine pet which installed
and seems to work fairly well (but don't know if I should
have for Precise).

The occasional black screen at startup now seems to
always go away after a Restart X Server. Wireless starts
up connected most always as well but requires several
tries of SNS to actually connect otherwise. I view the
Statistics Tab (left click connection icon to view network
interface) and know I'm connected if the ping result
shows up (Time Wait). Be nice if Puppies had a green
"Connected" indicator (and red "Unconnected" if ping fails).

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