(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Posted: **Mon 17 Sep 2012, 23:47**

G'day,

I had earlier reported in this thread, problems with this Precise-Pup version when trying to use the Universal Installer to create a Full Pup using the Frugal's /home directory as the source for the install files - no CD/DVD involved.

I thought the problem was fixed by freshly re-formatting the Full's partition before using the Universal Installer.

But alas, my (last-time lucky?) Full Precise.5.3.93 was compromised by a non-functioning Pet I had tried and when I took the usual easy way out by re-installing the Full from the Frugal, the computer froze during the "copying files" step, and has each time I have tried the Universal Installer.

I increased the size of the Frugal's Save file and also installed the AMD proprietary driver into the Frugal, as well as trying with the Full's fresh target partition in ext2 and ext3, but nothing has so far allowed a Full install.

I do not have this problem with pemasu/oldyeller's Precise-based Pup.

David S.

[Post-script]
Tried a direct Full install from a Live CD and had no problem getting a working Full Precise-5.3.93. Seems like using the Universal Installer taking the Frugal->Full path using the 'Directory' as source for install files has the problem. Universal Installer from LiveCD->Full is OK (so far).

Posted: **Tue 18 Sep 2012, 18:40**

Not getting 2barks - sound is 'up'.
Installed Firefox from PPM and Opera from their website. Neither appear in the menu, subsequently, even after an X-reset. Firefox doesn't run from the console, but Opera does. Unfortunately, Opera doesn't actually browse - it just sits there. SM functions but I still don't like it.

Re. FULL, ds45, quite a few of us are hoping BK will run his magic wand over the PUI.

Posted: **Tue 18 Sep 2012, 23:00**

BarryK wrote:
shinobar wrote:You also need to remove the dash(-) from 'Sans-12' so that the titlebar (of the windows) can show Chinese characters.
DejaVu Sans 12
Wrong. This misinformation has been around for a very long time.

JWM recognises the Xft format as shown here:
http://joewing.net/programs/jwm/fonts.shtml

Jwm does not recognise DejaVu Sans 12, and instead falls back to using the default GTK font -- which, most likely, is DejaVu Sans, or whatever else has been set as the font in the gtkrc file.

Tnx Barry for the lecture.
The problem with DejaVu Sans-12 is the DejaVu Sans does not have full UTF-8. It cannot display the Chinese/Japanese fonts which we add.
We have solved this by using DejaVu Sans 12, but now i see the jwm does not recognize the description.
Now I find Sans-12, or just -12 is a better solution for the multiple fonts.

Posted: **Thu 20 Sep 2012, 15:48**

precise-5.3.93 initial test

After kernel load.... either blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs

Ctrl+Alt+backspace ineffective (only hardoff works), cannot load xorgwizard, various boot codes like "puppy pfix=nox" still give blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs after kernel load....

Looks like precise-5.3.93's a non-starter for me

(probably should have started earlier with '2.69 or '2.71 rather than the latest)
____________
test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

Posted: **Fri 21 Sep 2012, 01:41**

bigpup wrote:Any work being done on fixing the graphics issues, several people have had, with first boot?
In general older Nvidia graphics cards do not like Nouveau driver.

I don't know any neat solution. Beta6 has the 'nv' Xorg driver, which should work -- run xorgwizard and explicitly choose 'nv'.

Posted: **Fri 21 Sep 2012, 01:46**

shinobar wrote:The problem with DejaVu Sans-12 is the DejaVu Sans does not have full UTF-8. It cannot display the Chinese/Japanese fonts which we add.
We have solved this by using DejaVu Sans 12, but now i see the jwm does not recognize the description.
Now I find Sans-12, or just -12 is a better solution for the multiple fonts.

Perhaps it is time for me to upgrade DejaVu fonts to the latest version.

Posted: **Fri 21 Sep 2012, 01:49**

`f00 wrote:precise-5.3.93 initial test

After kernel load.... either blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs

Ctrl+Alt+backspace ineffective (only hardoff works), cannot load xorgwizard, various boot codes like "puppy pfix=nox" still give blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs after kernel load....

Looks like precise-5.3.93's a non-starter for me
(probably should have started earlier with '2.69 or '2.71 rather than the latest)
____________
test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

Perhaps I should do a build of Precise Puppy without the 'nouveau' Xorg driver, only 'nv' -- either nv or vesa Xorg drivers should work.

Posted: **Fri 21 Sep 2012, 05:01**

BarryK wrote:
`f00 wrote:precise-5.3.93 initial test

After kernel load.... either blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs

Ctrl+Alt+backspace ineffective (only hardoff works), cannot load xorgwizard, various boot codes like "puppy pfix=nox" still give blackscreen or illegible 'scrunched' cl mssgs after kernel load....

Looks like precise-5.3.93's a non-starter for me
(probably should have started earlier with '2.69 or '2.71 rather than the latest)
____________
test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection
Perhaps I should do a build of Precise Puppy without the 'nouveau' Xorg driver, only 'nv' -- either nv or vesa Xorg drivers should work.

`foo has radeon hardware. Probably radeon.modeset=0 would work at pfix=ram or on the kernel line.

In my opinion, leaving out nouveau would hamper the other 90% (a guess) of nvidia users that haven't reported their success with nouveau. As I said, I have 4 that all work flawlessly in precise ranging from an old Vanta to fairly new cards.

That said, they would all likely boot ok with nv/vesa only, but perform poorly. Actually, on my Vanta I get "out of range" on the monitor with vesa. There have been attempts around the forum to use xvesa (yes, x is not a typo) to boot to a desktop and choose. I don't think that's the answer because once a choice is made then that may fail if the user has no knowledge.

I would say documentation is the answer. Make users aware that strings like "xxxx.modeset=0" are available if graphics don't work. Be aware that radeon users are in the same boat with KMS. I had the same card `foo describes and had varying results w/wo KMS (it died recently

).

2c

Posted: **Fri 21 Sep 2012, 17:51**

I did a manual frugal install to an 8gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Fri 21 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller:NVIDIA CorporationGF108 GeForce GT 430](rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF108 Board - 1071v0p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (524x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
62762 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12552.279 FPS
63014 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12602.629 FPS
63012 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12602.297 FPS

It's working well here.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 02:19**

Precise Puppy is a very reliable distro. All is working on my Medion AKOYA.
We hold now very good agrarian tractors with Slacko, Racy, Precise Puppy. but i have very old plows. Thanks to the one who has made a lifting to the old grisbi 0.5.0 available for Puppy until now.
Nous avons des distros qui fonctionnent. Si vous pouviez moderniser les outils qui vont avec, ce serait parfait.

Bonne journée. Have a nice day.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 02:20**

01micko wrote:I would say documentation is the answer. Make users aware that strings like "xxxx.modeset=0" are available if graphics don't work.

It is hard to type such a boot option at boot.
The graphical menu with 'Safe mode' option at boot may be a help.
But also I appreciate if the precise be without nouveau and offers an easy way to install nouveau or NVIDIA driver.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 04:10**

Barry,
As we get close to an RC, I found ways to simplify the DGC firmware package and merge into it the support for the other CDC ACM modems. My reasoning is that it puts all "ttyACM" modem support in a single firmware package. A developer would either want them all or none. So why have two packages, where one is a subset of the other!

The old cdcacm contained only the initialization script that is also used for dgcmodem. I moved that into dgcmodem and update the firmware.dep file to associate module cdc-acm with firmware dgcmodem. Pinstall.dgcmodem.sh now copies the DGC components only if the dgcmodem module is present in the puppy.

I moved the editing of the dgcconfig script to a pinstall.sh for the pet package, out of the pinstall.dgcmodem.sh script, so that the adapted script is permanent.

I recommend changing the pet package name to eliminate the tie to the dgcmodem source version, to avoid unnecessary complexity in the name. The dgc* scripts rarely (if ever) change across versions.

I also added null files for three files created during pet installation and firmware setup, so that they are included in the "remove" (.files) file for processing by the puninstall script. They get removed by the pinstall script (after the .files file is built).

To facilitate testing, I include a "cleanup" pet package that removes the cdcacm "tarball" components. Please remove them from woof.

Although I would like to make some similar changes to the HSF firmware pet package, I also wanted to make this merged DGC package ready ASAP. I hope you can squeeze this into beta7, as I feel it is a better implementation for the long run. Thank you.
Richard

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# diff -r firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-1.13-20120920 firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921
Only in firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/lib/modules/all-firmware/dgcmodem/etc/dgcmodem: .serial_configured [null]
Only in firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/lib/modules/all-firmware/dgcmodem/etc: init.d [Dgcmodem]
Only in firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/lib/modules/all-firmware/dgcmodem/etc: modprobe.d [null modem_dgc.conf]
diff -r firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-1.13-20120920/lib/modules/all-firmware/dgcmodem/pinstall.dgcmodem.sh firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/lib/modules/all-firmware/dgcmodem/pinstall.dgcmodem.sh
2,4d1
< # Copy Cdcacm initialization script, avoiding duplication for DGC.
< cp lib/modules/all-firmware/cdcacm/etc/init.d/Cdcacm etc/init.d/
< 
7d3
< 
9,34c5,8
< 
< #Edit config script to avoid device instances 1-7, avoid setting /dev/modem link.
< if [ -f /usr/sbin/dgcconfig ];then
<  sed -e 's%^#\!/bin/bash$%#\!/bin/bash\n#Edited by Puppy Linux during extraction of firmware for modem initialization.%' \
<   -e 's%while \[ $u -lt 8 \]; do%while [ $u -le 0 ]; do%' \
<   -e 's%^[\ \	]*echo \"alias /dev/modem%#echo \"alias /dev/modem%' \
<   -e 's%-[ef] /etc/modprobe.conf \]%& \&\& false%' \
<   -e 's%if \[ -d /etc/udev/rules\.d \]; then%if [ -f /etc/udev/rules.d ]; then%' \
<   -e 's%ln -sf /dev/ttyS...0 /dev/modem%/bin/true #&%' \
<   -e 's%first=240%first=244%' \
<   -e 's%max=249%max=251%' \
<   -e 's%\tmajor=\${first}%\t[ "${device}" = "ttySDGC" -o  "${device}" = "cuaDGC" ] \\\n\t\t\&\& echo 0 \\\n\t\t\&\& return 0\n\n&%' \
<   -e 's%\tunconfigure_rcscript || exit%#&%' \
<   -e 's%\tremove_kernel_modules || exit%#&%' \
<   -e 's%rm -f /dev/modem$%/bin/true #&%' \
<   -e 's%mv /dev/modem /dev/modem.old$%/bin/true #&%' \
<   -e 's%/etc/modprobe.d/dgc%/etc/modprobe.d/modem_dgc%' \
<   -e 's%) > \${outmodprobeconf}$%&.conf%' \
<   -e 's%update_modprobeconf \${outmodprobeconf}%&.conf%' \
<   -e 's%\${outmodprobeconf}.conflicts%&.conf%' \
<  /usr/sbin/dgcconfig > /usr/sbin/dgcconfig_adapted #120901
<  chmod a+x /usr/sbin/dgcconfig_adapted #120901
<  
<  #Use edited config script to create devices.
<  /usr/sbin/dgcconfig_adapted --serial
< fi
---
> #Use edited config script to create devices.
> [ -f /usr/sbin/dgcconfig_adapted ] \
>  && [ "$(/sbin/modinfo dgcusbdcp -F supported)" ] \
>  && /usr/sbin/dgcconfig_adapted --serial
diff -r firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-1.13-20120920/pet.specs firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/pet.specs
1c1
< firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-1.13-20120920|firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem|1.13-20120920||BuildingBlock|116K||firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-1.13-20120920.pet||kernel-independent DGC modem driver components, created by rerwin||||
---
> firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921|firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem|20120921||BuildingBlock|122K||firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921.pet||kernel-independent DGC & CDC-ACM modem driver components, created by rerwin||||
Only in firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921: pinstall.sh
Only in firmware_linux_module_dgcmodem-20120921/usr/sbin: dgcconfig_adapted [null]

UPDATE 9/22/2012: Re-uploaded both packages after download #5, to move the firmware.dep modifications out of the main package and into the cleanup package. That puts all of the one-time changes outside of the main package for the pet library. There is no functional difference from the originals. But -20120922 should be the version to go into the pet library.

UPDATE 9/26/2012: I am working on a further improvement which I will post later in this thread. The attached package need not go to the pet download library.

UPDATE 9/27/2012: I have uploaded the replacement for these packages on page 48, along with similar packages for the Conexant PCI modems. Pleas upgrade to those versions. Thank you for trying the attached version. The absence of problem reports seems to validate the approach I took.
Richard

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 05:16**

Manual frugal install to a 32gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Manhattan
[Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: PARK 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver used: fglrx

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
28403 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5680.505 FPS
28587 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5717.210 FPS
28639 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5727.751 FPS

Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)

No problems so far.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 06:17**

Quick live pfix=ram hardware test of latest Beta. As expected, display,sound and internet all working and correct on initial boot.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 3884MB (200MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 22 Sep 2012 01:17:09 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on NV4C
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

Looks good,no problems.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 06:28**

01micko wrote: In my opinion, leaving out nouveau would hamper the other 90% (a guess) of nvidia users that haven't reported their success with nouveau. As I said, I have 4 that all work flawlessly in precise ranging from an old Vanta to fairly new cards.

That said, they would all likely boot ok with nv/vesa only, but perform poorly. Actually, on my Vanta I get "out of range" on the monitor with vesa.

I agree with 01micko ..........all of my Nvidia hardware, both old (Riva TNT 2) to fairly recent works fine using "Nouveau" in Precise and Slacko. However,some of the newer Nvidia chips will not achieve a desktop of any kind with the "nv" driver.Generally the performance is much better with nouveau as well.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 06:58**

Fresh manual frugal install on my main Athlon XP box. Same as above, display,sound and internet all working and correct on initial boot.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
oem: NVidia
product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
2231 frames in 5.0 seconds = 446.127 FPS
2347 frames in 5.0 seconds = 469.320 FPS
2219 frames in 5.0 seconds = 443.702 FPS
2194 frames in 5.0 seconds = 438.474 FPS
2268 frames in 5.0 seconds = 453.534 FPS
2186 frames in 5.0 seconds = 437.132 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (194MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 22 Sep 2012 01:58:08 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1440x900 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : Nouveau
Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
Version : 1.2 Mesa 8.0.2
Direct Rendering : Yes

Looks pretty solid so far.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 07:17**

Looks pretty good too.....

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 12:49**

Manual frugal install to an 8gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
oem: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.254 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.001 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.999 FPS

Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter - linksys rt73

No problems so far.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 13:14**

The nvidia driver problem consists of two parts:

(1) How to avoid booting into a desktop with unusable menus.

(2). What to do about mediocre performance if one does manage to load the vesa or nv driver.

For (2) there is now an easy an effective solution. Nvidia has now issued a new 173.14 driver that cooperates better with new kernels. You can get it here: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/46199

Just load the devx and kernel sources, exit X to the command line and run

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sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.35.pkg1.run

to install the driver. (Don't forget to change to the directory where you have stored the download file first

.)

My GeForce FX 5200 runs glxgears with a very respectable 2570 fps.

For (1) there is an easy solution - just add nouveau.modeset=0 to the kernel line, but puppy should work out of the box on everybody's box (if possible). I tend to agree with Shinobar

It is hard to type such a boot option at boot.
The graphical menu with 'Safe mode' option at boot may be a help.
But also I appreciate if the precise be without nouveau and offers an easy way to install nouveau or NVIDIA driver.

Perhaps adding the modeset to isolinux.cfg would take care of new users (who are likely to boot from a CD) and a prominent README! in the iso would take care of the more experienced users who just unpack the iso to the hard disk or usb.

Posted: **Sat 22 Sep 2012, 13:37**

Manual frugal install to an 8gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
162 frames in 5.0 seconds = 32.251 FPS
138 frames in 5.0 seconds = 27.527 FPS
156 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.043 FPS

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
Memory 505MB (89MB used)
Displayhe
Resolution 800x480 pixels
OpenGL
Vendor Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM x86/MMX/SSE2
Version 1.4 Mesa 8.0.2
Direct Rendering Yes

Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)

On first boot it went to the prompt, I ran xorgwizard then probe and
it got to the desktop using the proper driver.

Working well.

(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012

jwm fonts

Re: jwm fonts

Precise Puppy beta6, Sept. 11, 2012

Grisbi 0.8.2 runs perfectly on Precise

display fail

Improved DGC modem firmware package

Precise Puppy beta6, Sept. 11, 2012

Precise Puppy beta6, Sept. 11, 2012

nvidia problem - GeForce to the rescue

Precise Puppy beta6, Sept. 11, 2012