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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:01    Post subject:  

sickgut wrote:
antiloquax wrote:
sickgut wrote:
Rox-filer background support is still the best solution in my opinion until you make the huge step of running something like XFCE or some other huge desktop environment

Yes - it's this Rox-filer background support that I am trying to do. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.

re Arch. At the moment, I am still logging as root, then X starts automatically. I will look at auto-login at some point soon.

There's more to Puppy than the wallpaper - must get that rubick's cube game running Very Happy Wink


try this once roxfiler is installed and you have booted into xorg with startx:

in a terminal :

rox --pinboard=pin

the background should appear.

ofcause tho you must install rox via: apt-get install rox-filer


This is the line i have inserted in Pussy's JWM config file to activate the roxfiler background:

<Program label="ROX-filer background">rox -p --pinboard=PIN</Program>

and you can start foxfiler background by using this command in a terminal:

rox -p --pinboard=PIN

you could create a script file that contains that command and save it with a easy to remember name in the main dir of your filesystem like /background.sh or something like that. So when you startx you open a terminal and type /background.sh and then the rox filer background activates. If you save the script file in /usr/bin/ then you can type the filename without any /'s in front of it. The script only has to contain that single line: rox -p --pinboard=PIN

and doesnt have to have the .sh after the name. I just do that so i can immediately identify that file as a script as .sh extention assigns a script icon for the file when viewed with rox and other filemanagers.

the command to invoke the background is very flexible and there are many options and versions of that command that will do the same thing. Note that if you start roxfiler when you are a root user, you will see a different background than when you start rox filer background as a normal user, because rox automatically seems to setup profiles for the different users, and this is a pain in the butt. So just remember to setup your desktop as the user its intended for (easy to remember if your just running as root user all the time)
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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 10:37    Post subject:  

Thanks sickgut,
I have been trying the"rox -p pinboard=pin", but I haven't had any success.
I'll try later and add the line you mentioned into my .jwmrc

I tried "rox -S" and I did get a pinboard - but no mouse!

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 11:19    Post subject:  

antiloquax wrote:
Thanks sickgut,
I have been trying the"rox -p pinboard=pin", but I haven't had any success.
I'll try later and add the line you mentioned into my .jwmrc

I tried "rox -S" and I did get a pinboard - but no mouse!



no mouse......

no idea how to help with that, if this happened to me... i would have no idea what to do at all whatsoever.

what happens when you are at the console and you type: xinit
this should bring up xorg and a mouse pointer and a single non resizable terminal in the screen somehwere...... does this happen?

if this step goes well, type: jwm......
and if that goes well, try the rox -p --pinboard=PIN or whatver rox command works for you

if the mouse goes away when you type either jwm or rox then they are interfering with it, however if you have no mouse when you type: xinit .....
then its an xorg problem.

ill just run a test on my pussy which is debian also to make sure im giving you the right info brb

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update:
yes xinit bring sup a mouse pointer.
typing jwm brings up jwm once xinit is running
to run rox background, you need to use jwm to open a new terminal, as this current terminal is now dedicated to jwm, if you type in here nothing happens, and if you exit with ctrl + c then it will kill jwm.

once you use jwm to open another terminal, try: rox -p --pinboard=PIN
and the background should activate. Also once the background activates you can right click on the background and then select all the rox filer options and make it behave how you want it too.

but like i said, if no mouse after typing xinit.... your boned... or atleast i dont know how to help you.
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oh yeah btw, if your jwm is configured incorrectly (most likely an entry that is manually entered into your jwmrc file that is not entered correctly) when you startx, you end up with a black screen and nothing else.

This is prob nothing to do with your situation, just letting people know about the jwm stuff incase they try it.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 16:41    Post subject:  

Thanks sickgut - this helped. First of all I couldn't "startx" without jwm. I installed xorg-twm and then got the rox pinboard working. Finally I realised that the problem was that I had set a background image in my .jwmrc. When I got rid of this, everything was peachy.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 03:08    Post subject:  

In an email Eben Upton mentioned:
Quote:
Btw, have you considered doing a complete rebuild of your userland
with hardware floating point acceleration enabled? I think that made
the Arch Linux version much faster.


Confused userland? Is that like Disneyland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_space

I don't even know where to begin . . .
However it might make sense at some point . . . to someone . . . Cool

. . . meanwhile I am gonna recreate Puppi and maybe this time get rox
compiled on another ARM processor by Barry working
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02800

What I can tell you already is rox is faster Cool
JWM I hope will be too (just using debs) - not working yet and not a priority for me
Midori is not usable (at the moment) as a reliable browser - I have only tried Chromium - much better
- however Dillo and other small browsers might work
- I may try Iceweevil or weasel this time . . .

The important thing to remember is Puppy aims to run not on a 4GB card - not even 2GB, we should run on a 1GB card, with room to spare . . . well OK 2GB would allow loads of storage

so I will be redoing and refining this process
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppi

and then doing some stripping . . . of bloat
. . . soon we will have a partial Monty . . . Embarassed
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/115/wallpaper5t.jpg

IMHO a Puppi you build yourself gives a deeper appreciation
and attachment to Puppy

Puppy Linux
Built by Penguins

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 03:17    Post subject:  

I've also downloaded Barry's Rox .pet. I'll have a go with it later.
Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:01    Post subject:  

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Does the Rasp Pi debian image that is the recommended for the Rasp Pi use a Grub bootloader or something like syslinux?


Not really sure
They do not have a bios - the bootloading is direct from SD
No SD no boot . . .

iceweasel was too slow to use (about 23 seconds to load)
icewm did not have success with . . .
netsurf which Mark is using could not find as a Deb

synaptic (very useful) is very slow

Mark as soon as you have an img of an Arch Puppi let me know
so I can burn and test if it works Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 12:28    Post subject:  

The rasp pi is extremely restrictive in terms of desktop performance.
However, games its fine... this is why in my mind i compare it to a playstation 2 in performance, as the playstation is fine to play games on but as soon as you use the linux kit on it, its basicly unusable for any practical use other than to use as a network server etc.

I think the rasp pi's awesome video performance has people fooled into thinking this translates into a usable desktop experience.

It takes a little bit of mental adjustment to get used to a platform that will play quake 3 in high resolution but not run firefox in a usable way. There are pleanty of open source quake 3 engine based games out there for linux that can be compiled for the rasp pi. all i can say about that is:

"mmmwwwuahahahahahaahahahahaaar..."

If you had told me this a year ago i would have laughed.... its still a strange concept.

However i am quite glad that the rasp pi can load firefox in 23 secconds, as the android tablets i have been messing with take a full minute or 2. I seen a demo of the rasp loading gimp, takes a full minute or 2... this is kind of what i expected. I just hope people here have a realistic idea of its performance, after all perception is everything.

I want to ask people here what they are actually paying for the rasp pi including taxes/ shipping and power supply, im not wanting to be nosey but the rasp is touted as the $25 linux box, but from what i gather its costing more like $70 or so after shipping, taxes and power supply for the B model, maybe a little more. I am asking this as i do plan to setup a small cluster of these things and make it readily accessible to the puppy community over my own high speed adsl2+ connection, with its own domain name and user accounts, i am wanting to provide this to people who are wanting to compile for the rasp pi, like the fedora team put it:

"the only way to make sure something is compiled 100% compatible for the rasp pi, is to compile it on a rasp pi..."
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 12:33    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Quote:
Does the Rasp Pi debian image that is the recommended for the Rasp Pi use a Grub bootloader or something like syslinux?


Not really sure
They do not have a bios - the bootloading is direct from SD
No SD no boot . . .

iceweasel was too slow to use (about 23 seconds to load)
icewm did not have success with . . .
netsurf which Mark is using could not find as a Deb

synaptic (very useful) is very slow

Mark as soon as you have an img of an Arch Puppi let me know
so I can burn and test if it works Smile


Dont worry about the actual size of the debian on the sd card, i dont think any attemps to slim it has been done by the rasp pi team. Generally a 2GB debian installation can be stripped down to 1.2gb or so fairly simply without affecting the actual workings of the OS. Also we can run squashfs for a few things as well and this takes it down more. A 2GB debian install that is slimmed of bloated junk files and squashed is about 500mb max.

i am 100% sure that when we have made some kind of workable puppi with this debian base, it will be very practical to use with a 1GB sd card, for sure.

If my Pussy linux is anything to go by, the 650m iso for the full Xtra version was actually 4GB or so before slimming and squashing. Considering that this iso contains everything you could ever wish for, im 100% sure we will be running a sub 500mb OS on the rasp pi that will still allow us to install everything we could hope for.

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update:

ooops i quoted the wrong post and so this reply to it makes no sense at all... sry ppl.
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 12:52    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:


Mark as soon as you have an img of an Arch Puppi let me know
so I can burn and test if it works Smile


I can certainly let you have it, but I am at very early stages at the moment. I'm hoping to add some packages later and try to fix a problem in Pygame (won't load images other than .bmp!)

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 14:01    Post subject:  

This board will likely be the competitor to raspberry at $32.

Barry Kauler mentioned it in his blog

http://micdigi.com/2012/04/hyston-will-release-the-google-tv-box-based-on-a10-solution/

Here's the chinese site promoting the Google box
http://www.shanzhaiben.com/54/n-5654.html



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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 14:15    Post subject:  

Here's the google box

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 19:20    Post subject: USD 69 boxchip tablet  

sickgut wrote:
I want to ask people here what they are actually paying for the rasp pi including taxes/ shipping and power supply, im not wanting to be nosey but the rasp is touted as the $25 linux box, but from what i gather its costing more like $70 or so after shipping, taxes and power supply for the B model, maybe a little more...


It's actually USD35 for the model B.

Speaking of USD70, if you search hard enough for 7" capacitive screen tablet with boxchip/allwinner A10 SoC, you can find ones selling for USD69, but these are the ones with older Android 2+ (add USD12 or USD15 and you can find Android 4 units).

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 02:07    Post subject:  

sickgut wrote:
I want to ask people here what they are actually paying for the rasp pi including taxes/ shipping and power supply, ...


Just yesterday I got the exact price from Farnell/Germany for my order (only Pi without power supply): 38,91 €, inclusive 19% tax and 6,70 € for shipping.

My order arrived 1 hour and 39 min. after the race started. If I pay till 21st of may, I take part of the next possible delivery (hopefully Laughing ).

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 02:19    Post subject:  software iso's  

I take it you've already come across http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/raspberrypi/images/.

Now, if one of the Woof 'People' worked with that, and one or more of the repositries, I wonder if a 'woofpi' could be created. Wink

Oh, yes and there may be some free boards still around, check http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi out.

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