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sickgut


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 12:52    Post subject:  

I am very interested in learning about clustering, and the rasp pi is simply the cheapest available stable linux platform. Its alot cheaper than multiple intel based systems.

However the rasp pi performance is nowhere near a modern intel based platform and maybe ten rasp pi's is still nothing like a new intel based system.
I am not wanting to create some kind of super performing computer with a lot of rasp pi's, just actually learn how to do it, and learn how to do it with a budget of only a few hundred dollars.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 04:23    Post subject:  


Puppi pre-alpha running on ARM Raspberry Pi Motherboard

When you get your pannet of raspberries
this will get you started:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppi

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Dave_G


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 04:48    Post subject:  

Nice one Lobster.

Although this is a start, I will wait for a complete Puppy for the Pi where one can run root.
This whole sudo su story every time I want to do something will drive me (even more) mad.
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aarf

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 05:05    Post subject:  

Pussy has solved the root thing for debian. Perhaps you can get ideas from there.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 06:22    Post subject:  

That looks great, Lobster. I'm still unable to put icons on my desktop Sad
Do you know how to get rox and jwm to co-operate?
mark
(and you can run as root in Arch!)

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Dave_G


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 06:47    Post subject:  

Thanks aarf, will check it out.

antiloquax wrote:

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(and you can run as root in Arch!)


Great stuff, but since I don't have a Pi as yet, haven't tried any of the distros.
Can one go straight into root in Arch without having to log in (type anything) at all?
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:06    Post subject:  

No need to use sudo, etc... Setup a permanent root account and login as root instead.

I do not have a rasp pi yet and i havent examined the debian image that somes with it, but to make a proper root login, where you type root and the password for root at the login screen rather than the user level pi and raspberry user and pass and have to use su or sudo all the time once logged it, you could do the following:

1) First of all log in normally with the default user and pass.
2) type: sudo -i (this will give you root access)
3) type: passwd password (where password is the new password)
4) reboot, poweroff, shutdown -h now or whatever to start the OS again.
5) when the login screen welcomes you, use your new root login:

user: root password: password


This will log you in as root and you will not have to worry about silly su root or sudo -i or sudo root etc etc commands. You are now root and should have access to everything that root has access to, just like in puppy with the exception you have to type something to start the computer and login still.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:11    Post subject:  

Question:

Does the Rasp Pi debian image that is the recommended for the Rasp Pi use a Grub bootloader or something like syslinux?

If so then it is possibly able to support the user= and pass= tags in its boot code (could also be username= and password=), and if so then this can be setup to automatically log you in as root once you have setup an actual normal root account.

This is what has been done with Pussy, but Pussy is a debian live base, i do realize that this is slightly different from a normal debian base or debian arm base, but its worth a look.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:15    Post subject:  

antiloquax wrote:
That looks great, Lobster. I'm still unable to put icons on my desktop Sad
Do you know how to get rox and jwm to co-operate?
mark
(and you can run as root in Arch!)


Yeah LXDE is strange like that. Definately a WTF moment when you use LXDE for the first time and it doesnt even have desktop icon drag and drop support. Rox-filer background support is still the best solution in my opinion until you make the huge step of running something like XFCE or some other huge desktop environment
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Dave_G


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:23    Post subject:  

sickgut wrote:

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Does the Rasp Pi debian image that is the recommended for the Rasp Pi use a Grub bootloader or something like syslinux?


That is a very good question.
I've never bothered to investigate the link (if any) between the grub bootloader and BIOS.

If there is a link, which I suspect there is, as I remember reading something
about the bootloader reading some values from the BIOS, and since the Pi
does not have a BIOS but more of a binary "blob", this could be a problem.
But then again the bootloader for Pi would be different and probably make use
of the "blob" (sounds like something from a low budget sci-fi movie Smile )

I know that the Pi makes use of boot.asm and config.txt at boot time so
your idea may even be useable in there.

I guess one way to check is to download the image and have a look
around in it's contents but at 443MB, that's my cap for the rest of the month gone.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:27    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

Puppi pre-alpha running on ARM Raspberry Pi Motherboard

When you get your pannet of raspberries
this will get you started:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppi


I love this wiki article, the first step for making your rasp pi debian a puppy after you login and start the desktop is to put a puppy wallpaper as the background.

After all, this is the only different between debian and puppy and one puppy version when compared to another, the background....

Question: how do i upgrade from Puppy 5.4 to Puppy 5.5?
Answer: load the wallpaper into mtpaint and change the Puppy 5.4 logo to Puppy 5.5.

Question: How do i upgrade from Puppy 5.5 to Puppy 6?
Answer: Upgrade the browser to the newest version, then load wallpaper into mtpaint and change the Puppy 5.5 logo to Puppy 6.

Question: How do i upgrade from Puppy 6 to Puppy 6.5?
Answer: change window manager from JWM to openbox, then load wallpaper into mtpaint and change the logo to Puppy 6.5.

Question How do i upgrade from Puppy 6.5 to Puppy 7?
Answer: change window manager back to JWM and use chrome browser instead of seamonkey, and ofcause load wallpaper into mtpaint and change Puppy 6.5 to Puppy 7.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:33    Post subject:  

Dave_G wrote:
sickgut wrote:

Quote:
Does the Rasp Pi debian image that is the recommended for the Rasp Pi use a Grub bootloader or something like syslinux?


That is a very good question.
I've never bothered to investigate the link (if any) between the grub bootloader and BIOS.

If there is a link, which I suspect there is, as I remember reading something
about the bootloader reading some values from the BIOS, and since the Pi
does not have a BIOS but more of a binary "blob", this could be a problem.
But then again the bootloader for Pi would be different and probably make use
of the "blob" (sounds like something from a low budget sci-fi movie Smile )

I know that the Pi makes use of boot.asm and config.txt at boot time so
your idea may even be useable in there.

I guess one way to check is to download the image and have a look
around in it's contents but at 443MB, that's my cap for the rest of the month gone.


I know the boot process isnt as straight forward as other systems, something to do with the gpu booting first and using it to boot the rest of the system or some such thing.

But have a look in /boot dir of the filesystem, if there are directories like /boot/grub then its an obvious giveaway.

I seem to be posting alot here for someone who hasnt even seen a rasp pi in real life, if i have things wrong or am overstepping my mark let me know ppl. I spose i feel drawn to this thread because the last whole year i have been slaving over a hot debian system for 24 hour stretches every 2nd day in pursuit of the Pussy OS. Now Rasp Pi is released with a debian image, im like: "Yay... its debian ... i know about this and i can help!"
If they used the fedora image instead of debian i wouldnt be here posting because i know nothing about fedora at all whatsoever.
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Dave_G


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 07:44    Post subject:  

sickgut

With the exception of Lobster, no one else here that I am aware of has a Pi either.
Any thoughts/info/suggestions are a good thing, whether one has a Pi or not.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 08:17    Post subject:  

sickgut wrote:
Rox-filer background support is still the best solution in my opinion until you make the huge step of running something like XFCE or some other huge desktop environment

Yes - it's this Rox-filer background support that I am trying to do. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.

re Arch. At the moment, I am still logging as root, then X starts automatically. I will look at auto-login at some point soon.

There's more to Puppy than the wallpaper - must get that rubick's cube game running Very Happy Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 08:44    Post subject:  

antiloquax wrote:
sickgut wrote:
Rox-filer background support is still the best solution in my opinion until you make the huge step of running something like XFCE or some other huge desktop environment

Yes - it's this Rox-filer background support that I am trying to do. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.

re Arch. At the moment, I am still logging as root, then X starts automatically. I will look at auto-login at some point soon.

There's more to Puppy than the wallpaper - must get that rubick's cube game running Very Happy Wink


try this once roxfiler is installed and you have booted into xorg with startx:

in a terminal :

rox --pinboard=pin

the background should appear.

ofcause tho you must install rox via: apt-get install rox-filer
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