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aarf

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 17:37    Post_subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Here was the Raspberry Pi this morning residing on a cushion surrounded by a lime hub and being offered appropriate nutrition after its journey from Cambridge . . .

Lobster being grilled by Raspberrians
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/no-signal/#p63957

I am a bit loath to edit the Debian SD card just yet . . .
hmm.. now the problem is obvious. no burning incense.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 19:12    Post_subject:  

Lobster - be brave!
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 19:20    Post_subject:  

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If you hear a raspy, regular buzz/noise then you have video.

Real hardware. Real Problems. Real Solutions.
Real Puppys using the same hardware.
Thanks Guys. Smile

I think Liz from RPi HQ is right (an experienced Raspberrian)
I need a recommended branded Class 4 SD card for my Debian image.
The only further SD card I have available is 1GB and unbranded.
Not sure if any of the ready compiled distros would fit on that.
Puppy would.
However [sob] I feel any distro would be a fail
due to the need for high quality SD card

There are 10 year olds laughing at me
- I know it! Wink

Tomorrow will be off to Maplins, Currys or Hackerspace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace
for SD card.

Initial impressions of Rpi: Very Happy
Small and cute as a button
Seems robust and so simple.
Hard to believe it is a powerful computer.
The Rpi Foundation did good
Have to send them some money
(have to convert a few sardine cans into human currency)

Learn from my mistakes guys.
Is your power supply micro USB?
Is your SD image ready and compatible?
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners/how-to-start-using-your-raspberry-pi/#p64000

As for incense.
The Rpi will become a Puppy powered
Buddhist shrine running YAP
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BuddhistYAP
as the Time And Raspberry Dimensions In Space project (aka TARDIS)
is still awaiting coding . . .

. . . and remember about Puppy
Pi
and Purloined Police Phone Boxes
"they are bigger on the inside" Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 20:50    Post_subject:  


Raspberry Pi jiffy bag arrives from Cambridge yesterday morning
Lobster prepares opening tools . . .

I have a (only 1GB) Sandisk SD card.
It is branded. It may work. Is there a bootable Rpi image available that fits in 1GB?

Wot no Puppy?

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 03:40    Post_subject:  

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Is your power supply micro USB?


That one can be very important. There are at least two different such.
They are different enough to not fit into the others socket.

One of them is listed to be able to carry higher current while the other
for much less current. But both are very very small and usually named
micro usb or maybe mini usb.

So how does one know which of them that one have?

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 04:34    Post_subject:  


The thin one with the smaller plug is the right one.

I am pretty sure my SD card is [how can I put it politely) - rubbish.
I am told these are good. Waiting for stores to open on Sunday . . .

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 04:42    Post_subject:  

Lobster

The SD card issue could turn out to be a show stopper for the Pi if it ain't fixed.

Not sure if the problem lies with the Broadcom binary blob or the
kernel/driver in the distros, but they should look at it as it's very frustrating
and off putting for users trying their Pis for the first time only to see
that it ain't working because they have the wrong SD card type/class.

It will get harder and harder to find the slower class of SD card as manufactures
push for faster and faster devices.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 04:55    Post_subject:  

Lobster

Although your collection of package opening implements are impressive,
you have forgotten two very important items.
I have taken the liberty of adding them to your pic for future reference. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 05:26    Post_subject:  

Dave_G wrote:
Lobster

The SD card issue could turn out to be a show stopper for the Pi if it ain't fixed.

Not sure if the problem lies with the Broadcom binary blob or the
kernel/driver in the distros, but they should look at it as it's very frustrating
and off putting for users trying their Pis for the first time only to see
that it ain't working because they have the wrong SD card type/class.

It will get harder and harder to find the slower class of SD card as manufactures
push for faster and faster devices.
i see the current raspberry as having a very limited shelf life, say six months, if not actually expired before it even actually got to the shelf. things are moving fast, and the competition fierce. the builders inexperience with dealing with the manufacturing and distribution chain has left them now with an out of date product. they need to upgrade fast and use their know past mistakes to advantage not continue pushing an out of date product. i.e stop manufacturing the current model immediately and get the next generation into the customer conscience fast.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 05:42    Post_subject:  

aarf

Although I don't agree with your six month estimation, you do raise some
very valid points.
The SD card problem together with the delays we are experiencing in
being able to purchase the Pi is working against it.

In this fast moving world, people get impatient very quickly and might
lose interest in the Pi opting rather for some other device/board.
I'm no marketing guru but I reckon they are missing a golden opportunity
by not capitalizing on the huge interest shown in the Pi.

I hope they get the stuff sorted out and quickly other wise it would be a
great pity.
I for one am very excited about the Pi and have even started to learn
ARM assembly to get to know the intricacies of the ARM.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 05:56    Post_subject:  

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Lobster - be brave!


OK
Next time will include hammer and crowbar . . . and teeth. Cool

The Pi is an exciting product. In the future Pi compatibility may end up as an ARM standard.
The Pi foundation WANT others to clone and market similar devices.

What you have to appreciate is we have the ability to support ONE type of cheap hardware. If you write for specific hardware - brill.

The peripheral problems are all solvable.

Also think how much you have learned using Puppy.
It now continues. We need more programmers and hardware projects.
Just imagine a computer course where your hardware is provided not
as a textbook but a computer which can store all your coursework.
It is a new way of learning and we are all the teachers and students . . .

Lesson 1 connect your computer and boot up.
[Lobster puts on Dunce cap and goes to stand in the corner]

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 06:08    Post_subject:  

i also see the raspberry competing in only one direction: price.
in this world of excess cash it will not holdup. other aspects: convenience, functionality, ability, ease of use, ruggedness and durability are best met elsewhere at a insignificant price differential in real purchasing power terms. cheap complete ready made tablets are now abundant. not to mention powerful multi-functional phones. sorry but thats the way it is.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 07:10    Post_subject:  

remember too that intel is bringing out a x86 chip suitable for phones/tablets in a few short months time.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 10:36    Post_subject:  

Success! Smile

Posting from Pi (raspberry flavour)
- using Debian Squeeze.

All day been trying to get Raspberry Pi to work.
Some important lessons . . . will follow

Basically the dd process I used from Puppy was not working.
I had to use a magick wand (optional) and my sisters Windows 7 netbook.

So shameful! Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 10:49    Post_subject:  

Hi Lobster,

Delighted to read your good news. Celebrate with a fish tea and supper.

My regards
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