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RSH


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan 2012, 22:06    Post subject:  

Do we have an Icon Editor for puppy (that hopefully works in Lucid)?
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 04:26    Post subject:  

One neat-o thing I've been working with is My Own Mini-App for self hypnosis, and compositing comes in very handy for it.To be more specific a function called transset-df which sets transparency of windows, thus I can have two or more windows overlapping each other as transparent layers.

I use a transparent spinning hypno-wheel .gif file (hurry and get yours, there's only about eleventy-bazillion of them on the Net.) overlaid on this rsvp reader called WordFlashReader, which is a compiled .bin program of Dictator. Not the Microsux one where it poorly attempts speech recognition, but a hopped up word reader. Run the reader at about two or three times the speed of what you can read consciously and overlay it with the hypno-wheel, wham bam thank you ma'am you have your very own Subliminal Video generator
There's also in the Legacy OS-2 Puppy a proggie for making a screenshot video. Defaults at 6 frames per second, eh? Which you can speed up in about half of the out of the box video players on Puppy.

Right now I'm mostly playing around with it, seeing if it helps with word-by-word memorization. I quote the Bible a lot, and Shakespeare etc.
It helps greatly if you know which one you're quoting. Also knowing the difference between say (in the U.S.) the Constitution, The Gettysburg Address and the Pledge of Allegiance.

If you're trying to make a legal case and say "liberty and justice for all" you're actually quoting the pledge. Not Legally Binding.
Same with "government of the people by the people and for the people" isn't the Constitution either.

We've a really weak Public Education system here in America, a Liberal construct administered by Conservatives who don't want it to even exist. So you'd not be amazed, if you've conversed with Americans on any given subject, to find that most of us can't even properly use the English language, Heaven forfend that one should know any other languages and of course our laws and history.

A subliminal version of Flash-cards, perhaps? But right now it's just an experiment of mine.
Probably others are doing the same.

See, eye-candy does have a practical function or three built in.

My xcompmgr in Legacy has for some reason flaked on me between going to bed last night and waking up this morning, and I'm going through threads looking for clues to help me set it right. This one caught my eye.

I'm doing as the Linux motto says, "Have a lot of fun".

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 04:35    Post subject:  

RSH wrote:
Do we have an Icon Editor for puppy (that hopefully works in Lucid)?


That's the other thing I wanted to look at, editing Karamba, I took out K-mess which is the Microsux Nutwerks Messenger (Pidgin is better) and filled its slot with the link to the WordFlashPlayer binary. which has an Icon with the extension .ico, all the other icons in the Karamba launcher have the .png extension and the path isn't an absolute path, it says "img/kmess.png" or "img/opera.png" without saying where the source images actually are. I put in the absolute address for the image in the WFPlayer directory and just have a blank space in the Karamba launcher.

It's more annoying than anything else, since it's my own Puppy computer and I know where to click to open it.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 05:39    Post subject:  

Coolness Jemimah, I've been looking forward to Saluki for awhile now but I didn't know it was going to be that awesome Smile So glad something is being done about the retro icons and the overall slickness of Puppy. Really impressed you're even adding various GTK engines. Can I help in anyway? Maybe dig up elusive icons for you or modify icon themes. I'm not too artistic, but I appreciate good looking eye candy.

@John

Those two screenshots were actually off a Conky project I was setting up, it can be found here. It's still pretty rough around the edges because I'm not familiar with how to add text to the end of existing files. eg. Add some additional commands to the end of Nathan's wallpaper setter to create a fake transparency for Conky. If I have that down, I might be able to make installation a bit more automated Confused I just haven't had time to look up how it's done.

Edit: My filehost Fileden is playing up at moment so no screenshots show up and files can't be downloaded Confused

@RSH and TheProphet

What did you guys mean by "Icon Editor"? You mean something that will rename icons to the names they need to be to make an iconset like home48, www48, etc?

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 09:32    Post subject:  

Hello TheProphet,
You'll find the Karamba theme files in root under .kde/share/apps/karamba/themes/

In the themes folder are a config file and a folder called img

Lets say I want to use an icon called wfp.png simply copy it in to the img folder. The default icon size is 32x32

Now I get the impression you've worked that by right clicking on the Karamba sidebar and selected "edit configuration" the editor will open. To change the icon, navigate to img/kmess.png and change it to img/wfp.png
Now hit save.

On the Karamba sidebar right click and select "reload configuration" and you icon should appear.

Hello battleshooter,
I'll checkout the link, thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 10:00    Post subject:  

I would like to offer my help with anything possible in finding the right look for puppy. i am not a graphics artist but i do like to tinker. if there is anything i can do to help please let me know & i will do my best to contribute Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 12:38    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:
Coolness Jemimah, I've been looking forward to Saluki for awhile now but I didn't know it was going to be that awesome Smile So glad something is being done about the retro icons and the overall slickness of Puppy. Really impressed you're even adding various GTK engines. Can I help in anyway? Maybe dig up elusive icons for you or modify icon themes. I'm not too artistic, but I appreciate good looking eye candy.


pacer106 wrote:
I would like to offer my help with anything possible in finding the right look for puppy. i am not a graphics artist but i do like to tinker. if there is anything i can do to help please let me know & i will do my best to contribute


I need help in selecting good themes. If you have an afternoon to spend on gnome-look testing themes, and finding the ones that look the nicest and most unique, then tell me what they are, I'd be happy to add them. Themes that use theme engines are much smaller and faster than pixmap themes.

I haven't figured out what to do to get translucent gtk themes - but in theory it should be able to work - someone could take a look at that .

We could also use some different xfwm styles.

And the xfce notifications are themable with gtk styles. We could use a number of new notification themes.

As far as iconsets go, there are a lot of nice looking ones in the eye candy thread, but a lot of them are missing icons or are done in 32x32 instead of 48x48.

I'm always looking for feedback and suggestions.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 13:45    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:
What did you guys mean by "Icon Editor"? You mean something that will rename icons to the names they need to be to make an iconset like home48, www48, etc?

No. An Icon Editor is just a simple graphics program especially for icons.

F.E.: editing an icon sized 48x48 pix. Inside the icon editor the icon is shown as image, sized 480x480 pix. It is shown as matrix (we call that "Raster"). Every pixel of the icon is shown in the matrix as 10x10 pix area, so you can easily edit each and every single pixel of the icon.

In Windows i did use "icoFX". Unfortunately it does not run in wine.

Edit: sorry, my fault. It runs, but it can save only windows (.ico) and mac (.icns) files.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 14:05    Post subject:  

Icons tend to be designed using SVG nowadays. That way you can quickly generate the icon in any size you want. If you want to make icons from scratch, you should probably use Inkscape.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 15:49    Post subject:  

mtPaint will let you edit one pixel at a time if you zoom in far enough.

Gimp works very well too.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 16:03    Post subject:  

does anyone know how many icons are in puppy total? including taskbar icons & all those extra.

i could go through icon sets making sure they have the proper amount & required sizes then make themes out of them if needed.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jan 2012, 07:49    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
I need help in selecting good themes.


GTK themes? I have a couple favorites that use Murrine or Aurora, other that I haven't tried out many engines. Maybe you could tell me what engines specifically you're planning to include, and I'll look for themes for them. The translucent Murrine themes sounds interesting, I can have a look at those.

For iconsets, I tend to see beyond just the simple desktop icons, to me a complete set includes GTK icons. A lot of the themes the desktop icons sets are made from are lacking in this department. But I guess that won't matter if there is an updated GTK theme over all. Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jan 2012, 13:21    Post subject:  

These are the engines I have. Just ask if you want one that's not on the list.

    Aurora
    equinox
    gflat
    crux
    industrial
    clearlooks
    mist
    thinice
    bluecurve
    magicchicken
    lighthouseblue
    nodoka
    moblin
    murrine
    rezlooks
    TerraNova
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jan 2012, 14:13    Post subject:  

john biles wrote:
Hello TheProphet,
You'll find the Karamba theme files in root under .kde/share/apps/karamba/themes/

In the themes folder are a config file and a folder called img

Lets say I want to use an icon called wfp.png simply copy it in to the img folder. The default icon size is 32x32

Now I get the impression you've worked that by right clicking on the Karamba sidebar and selected "edit configuration" the editor will open. To change the icon, navigate to img/kmess.png and change it to img/wfp.png
Now hit save.

On the Karamba sidebar right click and select "reload configuration" and you icon should appear.

Hello battleshooter,


I'll checkout the link, thanks!


Yeah, I found it, didn't think to look in a hiddenfolder under /root.

The .ico image I had for it was bigger than the standard, so I resized it and renamed it to .png in case that makes any difference. Thanks much.

Since I hardly ever use Libre (Open Office) there's what amounts to about 90 percent of the icons in karamba that are "free space" to put stuff that DOES get frequently used like Minesweeper, Shisen-sho, Maelstrom and Freecell. And the occasionally more productive tools.
Cool

putting an animated .gif as the wallpaper would be the next neat thing to do.[/i][/b]

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jan 2012, 06:13    Post subject:  

Hi Jemimah,

Oily mackerel that's a lot of engines. I had a quick looking around at the themes available.

These engines kind of look old. Of course if you like them, that's totally fine, was just wonder if you knew what they look like, chunky, like Win95. Good for a retro look I suppose.

crux
industrial
thinice
bluecurve
magicchicken

Are you planning to add all these engines just for the theme support they provide, or you're only looking for the good looking engines? (Good looking is subject to opinion)

On the other hand, these engines look pretty modern from screenshots:

Aurora
equinox
nodoka
moblin
murrine
rezlooks
TerraNova
gflat
(Edit: Clearlooks is great too, I'm just sick of it)

Sorry for all the questions.

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