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Volhout wrote:I currently use puppy linux for 2 completely different tasks.

- day to day business (use lucid 528-004) ... and .... jemimah .... puppeee 44RC2.

- recovery of broken system (use wary or browserlinux).

The fact that I need to revert to wary or browserlinux is the fact that the lucid series do not have a good browser in the iso. For recovery you run from the live cd and need a good browser (to fetch WIN drivers from the internet), and excellent hardware support in the iso (otherwise your system may not boot, or may not even connect to the internet).

If the 128Meg iso limit would stop to exist, it would be great if we could have a decent browser in the iso. Just a thought ....

The iso will include the adrive. The only way to get the core will be to delete the adrive. I have no intention of creating yet another useless live cd.

Hi Jemimah,

Added the Saluki repo in PPM.
None of the apps in the Internet category are downloadable. (didn't check other categories)
The connection is correctly made to the server, but then it complains about "broken link". Tried several mirrors.

If implementing the PPM is a future goal, no problem, just wanted to let you know.

Bert wrote:Hi Jemimah,

Added the Saluki repo in PPM.
None of the apps in the Internet category are downloadable. (didn't check other categories)
The connection is correctly made to the server, but then it complains about "broken link". Tried several mirrors.

If implementing the PPM is a future goal, no problem, just wanted to let you know.

Smokey01 is the only repo that is going to work. If it shows 2 smokey01s, you need the second one (not sure why it is doing that - I borked something somewhere).

Okay, thanks, the second Smokey01 is indeed functional.

Here is a bunch of gtk theme engines. Now you guys need to search around on gnome-look and let me know which themes are the best. You'll want to install gtk-ctheme again because the xfce theme switcher doesn't seem to be working right.

Engines included:

• Aurora
  equinox
  gflat
  crux
  industrial
  clearlooks
  mist
  redmond95
  thinice
  bluecurve
  magicchicken
  lighthouseblue
  nodoka
  moblin
  murrine
  oxygen
  rezlooks
  TerraNova

Let me know if I missaged any important theme engines.

WARNING: Oxygen theme seems to cause crashiness.

Just tested luki 006 & I must say very nice work jemimah I like the look of xfce desktop & the way the menu is setup seems much less cluttered then most puplets cant wait for the final which im sure is a little further in the future then id like lol.

Wish I had the knowhow to contribute with more than just wallpapers

Again great work jemimah thanks for everything

Racy boots to the setup wizard, keboard, country and timezone. Once all set then it displays the desktop at 1280x1024 which is the maximum this Dell monitor can manage.

In all Lupu's it boots to desktop but only at 800x600. I have to run xorgwizard to select 1280x1024 in Xorg.

In Fatdog it's able to boot 1280x1024.

I have attached a file which contains three log files.

Saluk-006-Xorg.0.log.old which is the log from the first boot when the desktop did not start.

Saluki-006-Xorg.0.log which is the Xorg log file after I have ctrl-alt-backpaced then ran xorgwizard and selected vesa at 1280x1024.

The third is the Racy-Xorg.0.log file.

Hope this give you the information you require to solve the problem.

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jemimah wrote:

smokey01 wrote:Jemimah I never get video when I first boot Saluki. I have to use vesa.

This is what I have in Lupu-525

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 260.19.12

For these types of problems it is helpful to mention whether or not it works in Racy since the only difference graphics-wise between racy and saluki is the kernel.

Remember that report-video always says vesa unless you create a real xorg.conf, so don't rely on that output.

Examining the /var/log/Xorg.0.log may tell you what the problem is.

USB install from 001 iso originally. Run on a Dell latitude D610 and a Fujitsu S6210, both Pentium M class laptops with Intel graphics. Haven't run it yet on the T60 with ATI vid.

Wireless fine under frisbee once /usr/share/gvfs/remote-volume-monitor created. Xarchiver 0.5.2 installed, also searchmonkey 0.8.1 and Opera 11.52. Remastered, THEN updated to 003 sucessfully keeping all settings and programs. Wow!

Sound fine, frisbee wireless fine (even with ASCII WEP key), Alps touchpad fine, Font rendering particularly in Opera just not as crisp as my old Boxpup412, even with anti-aliasing on and with or without hintslight option. Same Dejavu or Vera fonts. Who knows.

Video report from the Dell follows. Glxgears numbers reflect a known issue in the newer i915 series drivers. Even with Option "SwapbuffersWait" "false" in Xorg.conf, vblank_mode defaults to on. Still chasing that tail and getting the Save launcher off the desktop permanently. Until xfce goes singleclick (promised in 4.10) I use the menu and 4 or 5 launchers in the panel with none at all on the desktop. Panel autohides well. Transparency with opaque icons now works also with Xfce compositor on.

The drive access via the panel really has as much utility as the drives-on-desktop scheme. Could use a 'punchier' icon though. One that screams DRIVES.

Adding the following lines in /root/gtkrc.mine makes the background behind the desktop icon text transparent:

style "xfdesktop-icon-view" {
XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0
}
widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"


VIDEO REPORT: Saluki, version 006

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

# vblank_mode=0 glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
2677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 535.297 FPS
2686 frames in 5.0 seconds = 537.102 FPS
2677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 535.275 FPS
2676 frames in 5.0 seconds = 535.184 FPS
2668 frames in 5.0 seconds = 533.510 FPS

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
110 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21.883 FPS
84 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16.744 FPS
105 frames in 5.0 seconds = 20.930 FPS
91 frames in 5.0 seconds = 18.140 FPS
144 frames in 5.0 seconds = 28.704 FPS


I agree strongly with keeping the core minimal. Just enough to use the repository or get and install tar.gzs or sfs. Some form of Xarchiver or equivalent and a minimal browser either onboard or in the repo suggested.

A longtime Openbox/Thunar guy

smokey01 wrote:Racy boots to the setup wizard, keboard, country and timezone. Once all set then it displays the desktop at 1280x1024 which is the maximum this Dell monitor can manage.

In all Lupu's it boots to desktop but only at 800x600. I have to run xorgwizard to select 1280x1024 in Xorg.

In Fatdog it's able to boot 1280x1024.

I have attached a file which contains three log files.

Saluk-006-Xorg.0.log.old which is the log from the first boot when the desktop did not start.

Saluki-006-Xorg.0.log which is the Xorg log file after I have ctrl-alt-backpaced then ran xorgwizard and selected vesa at 1280x1024.

The third is the Racy-Xorg.0.log file.

Hope this give you the information you require to solve the problem.

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jemimah wrote:

smokey01 wrote:Jemimah I never get video when I first boot Saluki. I have to use vesa.

This is what I have in Lupu-525

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 260.19.12

For these types of problems it is helpful to mention whether or not it works in Racy since the only difference graphics-wise between racy and saluki is the kernel.

Remember that report-video always says vesa unless you create a real xorg.conf, so don't rely on that output.

Examining the /var/log/Xorg.0.log may tell you what the problem is.

Can you check lsmod on Saluki vs a working system?

Jemimah I have attached a file with lsmod from Saluki-006 after establishing vesa video and Racy lsmod.

So here is the module difference between racy and saluki. Videodev and pwc, I think are for webcams, so I doubt that's it. Baffling. I assume running the xorgwizard and choosing the correct driver didn't work. The xorg log from a run like that would be helpful. Does it use the nv driver in Racy?

This is what I get on first boot

Fri 13 Jan 2012 Operating System: Saluki-006 Linux 2.6.39-ski
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA product: GT216 Board - 0682vb12 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: # vesa
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (423x318 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.10.3

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500
Core 0: 1200 1: 1200 MHz

The resolution is higher than it should be.
===============================================================================
This is after I installed the proprietary Nvidia driver.

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (342x271 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 275.43

The video card is a Zotac Gforce GT 220, same as smokey01 has I think.
Different manufacturer maybe.

jemimah wrote: I assume running the xorgwizard and choosing the correct driver didn't work. The xorg log from a run like that would be helpful. Does it use the nv driver in Racy?

Damn, I hadn't tried running Xorg from the wizard and selecting xorg @ 1280X1024 as it displayed the following on the initial bootup:

Cannot Disply This Video Mode
Optimum resolution 1289X1024 60Hz

It does actually run if I select 1280X1024 from xorgwizard.

See attached.

Sorry about that, it lied to me and I believed it.

Hi Jemimah

been playing with 006 for the last 3 days and it all seems to work well.

loaded pets and sfs's and again seems good.
Opera-sfs, dillo-sfs and SoftMakerOffice-sfs all work fine.

Gatotray.pet works very well and seems happy in the tray.
evince, galculator and gmeasures all work as expected.
as does Viewnor.

Not so sure aboat Xarchive - might be me being dim -
I usually drag a file to desktop icon and it works -
I'll try file-roller or similar later.

anyway - nice puppy - 'specially xfce/thunar.

Very best regards - Ray

Finally got time to return to some older hardware ... manual frugal install of Saluki 006 on my old P3 test box.Sound,internet and display all working and correct on initial boot.

Summary
Computer
Processor Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory 253MB (144MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sat 14 Jan 2012 03:36:09 PM CST
Display
Resolution 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.39-ski (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Dec 14 01:47:00 UTC 2011
C Library GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler Unknown
Distribution Unknown distribution

Only little problem..... installed a couple of pets and lost my icons.Not a big deal just reporting it.

some saluki backgrounds.

Thanks to both futwork and pacer106 for keeping me in wallpapers! It helps a great deal that I don't have to design them myself!

I've had a crack at updating the puppy universal installer. Since Saluki is for newish machines I removed a lot of the options geared toward ancient hardware and tried to make the whole experience a bit less confusing and verbose. I've also fixed a couple of bugs and renovated the bits that still ran in rxvt.

Test it out and let me know how it goes. The attached pet adds a menu entry for Puppy Universal Installer 2 (it does not update the install icon on the desktop).

I booted puppy pfix=ram from the live dvd.
I installed PUI-2.pet from a flash drive.
I ran the universal installer and did a frugal install.
I ran grub4dos and rebooted without saving to a file.
==================================================================
I booted the luki 006 frugal install.
The resolution was incorrect, should have been 1440x900, was 1280x1024.
Wired network automatically configured.
I installed some pets and it downloaded flash.
I rebooted and created a save file.
==================================================================
I loaded the devx and kernel source sfs files and rebooted.
==================================================================
I downloaded the nvidia driver for my card and installed it.
I setup xfce panel etc.

Sat 14 Jan 2012 Operating System: Saluki-006 Linux 2.6.39-ski
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300 GE] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA product: MCP77 Board - mcp78pvo Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9200/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 290.10

Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
Core 0: 1000 1: 1000 MHz

# glxgears
7116 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1423.041 FPS
7125 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1424.812 FPS
7119 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1423.660 FPS

I think I used the new universal installer correctly, I usually do
manual frugal installs.
Anyway, this is working well.

http://smokey01.com/aarf/xdelta/luki-00 ... .iso.delta (6.3MB)
(yes smokey this is a online generated delta. thank you.)