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jemimah


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 12:18    Post_subject:  

In any case, the core will not have a media subsystem at all. You will be able to get an instant minimalist system by deleting the adrive.

The real difficultly is deciding what goes in the core vs the adrive.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 16:00    Post_subject:  

not sure if anyone's posted one yet, but here's the NVIDIA 285.05.09 driver
http://www.mediafire.com/file/h54udp91tsw9wyx/nvidia_285.05.09_luki6.pet 31.94mb
MD5 c5ec4ba09f7a08019f374d2b00996f9f

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smokey01


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 16:18    Post_subject:  

Jemimah I never get video when I first boot Saluki. I have to use vesa.

This is what I have in Lupu-525

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 260.19.12

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scsijon

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 18:22    Post_subject:  

jemimah wrote:
From an architectural standpoint, gstreamer is the most interesting media backend, and the most bang for size because so many apps can take advantage of it - including Midori. However, Parole is kind of weak as a media player and last time I checked it was the only lightweight gstreamer-based video player. There might be something better by now.


Have a look at the Christine Media Player, software and the home website (such as it is) link is on sourceforge, it might suit you. Only uses Python and GTK+ on top of gstreamer and is tiny!

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Bert


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 18:24    Post_subject:  

[quote="jemimah"]

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Did you have a specific font in mind? Have you seen the font hinting settings in the Appearance setup?


Hi Jemimah, I always add the Ubuntu font to any Puppy and also the Font Wizard pet (from Iguleder?). That usually makes the fonts acceptable. Other nice fonts are Liberation and Droid.
No, I hadn't seen the font hinting settings Embarassed

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Are there things from Xubuntu that we can/should copy?


Well, I had a good look at Xubuntu 11.10 again today and it's hard to pinpoint what elements make it so great. The distro feels like a well-polished product, everything seems coherent and logically placed. I'm quite certain total noobs would have no problem using Xubuntu.
Of course nice themes and fonts and complete localization influence the experience
So to answer your question: Copy everything, except the bloat Laughing
FYI, Xubuntu uses 321 MB ram on the same atom computer, with only hardinfo running...
Thanks.

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 03:34    Post_subject:  

jemimah wrote:

The real difficultly is deciding what goes in the core vs the adrive.


Indeed.

I would think that to great extend this depends on how to go about preexisting pets and PPM. The Achilles heel of puppy IMHO.

A lot of the pets assume presence of certain libs and do not list them as dependencies, while PPM is not the best in handling dependencies and looking at multiple repos to find them.
These can result in a very user-unfriendly core.

I would think that the core should be able to handle at least the puppy-common-repo pets and certainly include some browser (even dillo) so users will not be stranded when only the core is loaded.

On the other hand a well crafted and populated luki-repo is necessary to match whatever decision is made for the core.

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Sage

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 04:29    Post_subject:  

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at least the puppy-common-repo pets and certainly include some browser (even dillo)

Uh! Think that's what I was trying to say. Even Slitaz and TinyCore have a rudimentary method of contacting the InterWeb.
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:04    Post_subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
Jemimah I never get video when I first boot Saluki. I have to use vesa.

This is what I have in Lupu-525

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 260.19.12


For these types of problems it is helpful to mention whether or not it works in Racy since the only difference graphics-wise between racy and saluki is the kernel.

Remember that report-video always says vesa unless you create a real xorg.conf, so don't rely on that output.

Examining the /var/log/Xorg.0.log may tell you what the problem is.
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:16    Post_subject:  

mavrothal wrote:

I would think that the core should be able to handle at least the puppy-common-repo pets and certainly include some browser (even dillo) so users will not be stranded when only the core is loaded.


This is a position that a "user" should not be in. The core feature is really only intended for developers and power users. You actually do have ppm access - just have to press the configure button if you want the saluki repo (which is in no way ready!).
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Volhout


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:37    Post_subject: iso size
Sub_title: basic features
 

I currently use puppy linux for 2 completely different tasks.

- day to day business (use lucid 528-004) ... and .... jemimah .... puppeee 44RC2.

- recovery of broken system (use wary or browserlinux).

The fact that I need to revert to wary or browserlinux is the fact that the lucid series do not have a good browser in the iso. For recovery you run from the live cd and need a good browser (to fetch WIN drivers from the internet), and excellent hardware support in the iso (otherwise your system may not boot, or may not even connect to the internet).

If the 128Meg iso limit would stop to exist, it would be great if we could have a decent browser in the iso. Just a thought ....
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:46    Post_subject: Re: iso size
Sub_title: basic features
 

Volhout wrote:
I currently use puppy linux for 2 completely different tasks.

- day to day business (use lucid 528-004) ... and .... jemimah .... puppeee 44RC2.

- recovery of broken system (use wary or browserlinux).

The fact that I need to revert to wary or browserlinux is the fact that the lucid series do not have a good browser in the iso. For recovery you run from the live cd and need a good browser (to fetch WIN drivers from the internet), and excellent hardware support in the iso (otherwise your system may not boot, or may not even connect to the internet).

If the 128Meg iso limit would stop to exist, it would be great if we could have a decent browser in the iso. Just a thought ....


The iso will include the adrive. The only way to get the core will be to delete the adrive. I have no intention of creating yet another useless live cd.
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Bert


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:47    Post_subject:  

Hi Jemimah,

Added the Saluki repo in PPM.
None of the apps in the Internet category are downloadable. (didn't check other categories)
The connection is correctly made to the server, but then it complains about "broken link". Tried several mirrors.

If implementing the PPM is a future goal, no problem, just wanted to let you know.

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jemimah


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:51    Post_subject:  

Bert wrote:
Hi Jemimah,

Added the Saluki repo in PPM.
None of the apps in the Internet category are downloadable. (didn't check other categories)
The connection is correctly made to the server, but then it complains about "broken link". Tried several mirrors.

If implementing the PPM is a future goal, no problem, just wanted to let you know.


Smokey01 is the only repo that is going to work. If it shows 2 smokey01s, you need the second one (not sure why it is doing that - I borked something somewhere).
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Bert


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 12:58    Post_subject:  

Okay, thanks, the second Smokey01 is indeed functional.
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 15:18    Post_subject:  

Here is a bunch of gtk theme engines. Now you guys need to search around on gnome-look and let me know which themes are the best. You'll want to install gtk-ctheme again because the xfce theme switcher doesn't seem to be working right.

Engines included:
    Aurora
    equinox
    gflat
    crux
    industrial
    clearlooks
    mist
    redmond95
    thinice
    bluecurve
    magicchicken
    lighthouseblue
    nodoka
    moblin
    murrine
    oxygen
    rezlooks
    TerraNova


Let me know if I missaged any important theme engines.

WARNING: Oxygen theme seems to cause crashiness.
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