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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 12:36    Post subject:  

Bert wrote:
Luki 006 is looking good...

I also like the easy setup with the control panel.

If I compare it to Xubuntu's desktop, it still has some way to go, but that's probably not a fair comparison, Xubuntu being almost 10 times bigger.

On my atom box,
(Processor: 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz
Memory: 2057MB),
luki 006 uses 125MB of ram, with only system-info running. That's a bit high for a basically still empty system, compared to other Puppy's. (It's twice Slacko's iddling ram usage on the same box)
But maybe 125MB is incredibly low for a xfce system. IIRC, xfce is normally thought of to need 256mb all for itself.

It was interesting to see the menu and parts of the xfce interface being localized (dutch). I estimate about 30%..

Where I think there's room for improvement:

* Better fonts are needed for my demanding (read: aging Wink ) eyes.

* 006 is certainly not slow, but not as snappy as slacko, imho..

Thanks Jemimah!

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Did you have a specific font in mind? Have you seen the font hinting settings in the Appearance setup?

There's probably a lot more localization available - I haven't included the NLS pets. I'm still working for a keymap switcher that works - the xfce panel applet does not and fbxkb did not work either.

Are there things from Xubuntu that we can/should copy?

--

Xfce is definitely not going to be the fastest booting option. It has a large number of background processes that it needs to start. Sad However, it certainly seems light enough for netbooks and the "old" computers are getting trashed nowadays (at least in the US).

It is a little lighter without xfce4-session, but then the keyboard and mouse configuration utilities don't work and I think they are nicer than the usual puppy options.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 13:59    Post subject: font size in high dpi screen  

Tried luki-006 for the XOs and looks good (also the chrome driver compiles fine).
However, I have a problem with font size not present in v005. They are huge and do not observe Xft.dpi settings (see sreenshot This is at 1200x900/200dpi screen resolution).
Assuming is not a bug I would appreciate if you could point out the relevant XFCE setting so save me some searching.
Thx

PS: should point out that aufs-util-3.1.pet, GConf-3.2.3-i486.pet, synaptics_luki.pet, evince-2.32.0-i486.pet, gnutls-2.8.5-i486.pet, ucview-0.33-i486.pet, fbreader-0.12.10-i486.pet, midori-0.4.3-i486.pet, galculator-1.3.4-i486.pet and nano-2.2.6-i486.pet has been added in the main sfs and the following buildin packages have been removed from the build: grub, grub4dos, 915resolution, makebootfat, acpid, acpitool, vattery (as with my other builds)
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 14:23    Post subject:  

Go to the Appearance settings - on the Fonts tab you can set the dpi.
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01micko


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 16:32    Post subject:  

Hi jemimah,

Working well on my r51 thinkpad with limited testing.

I just wonder if it's worth having all the standard puppy icons on the desktop since most of them don't work. I'm supposing you have some idea of what you are going to do and maybe you've mentioned in this thread somewhere (please excuse my laziness for not reading right through).

Well I guess for the 'browse' icon you could go the lupu way and offer to install a browser. I started developing an app here to address getting the latest mozilla browsers in your default language using curl, works fine in saluki. It could easily be adapted to get chrome, midori, opera direct from a repo, it wont work the same as the mozilla code.

By the way, the code in the app will easily grab Thunderbird too, it was on the todo list to add support for that.

Let me know what you think and I will continue development.

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peebee


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 17:40    Post subject:  

Hi jemimah

Pristine frugal install of luki006 on my HP550 laptop.

Loaded the pnethood pets and setup my wifi connection with Frisbee

Here's what I got after successfully connecting to my samba share when I clicked the "Show" button in pnethood....

Looks like something doesn't like directory names with spaces in - directory is called "My Documents" on my xp desktop

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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 17:54    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Hi jemimah,
I just wonder if it's worth having all the standard puppy icons on the desktop since most of them don't work. I'm supposing you have some idea of what you are going to do and maybe you've mentioned in this thread somewhere (please excuse my laziness for not reading right through).


My plan is to put all the applications in a separate SFS. That way, you can decide whether or not it goes to RAM, change it out easily, etc.

If anyone wants to start work on such an SFS there's really no reason not to. If you name it adrv_luki_006.sfs it'll get booted automatically and files in it can overwrite ones in the main sfs. I haven't tested this a lot yet, but it should work.

I'm mainly focusing on core usability and stability at the moment. I intend to work on applications last.

I first really want to get Saluki to a point where it feels very comfortable to new Puppy users and addresses all the common usability complaints:
    Unfamiliar desktop and file manager
    Crowded and confusing menus
    Slap-dash applications
    Dated look and feel
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 17:55    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:
Hi jemimah

Pristine frugal install of luki006 on my HP550 laptop.

Loaded the pnethood pets and setup my wifi connection with Frisbee

Here's what I got after successfully connecting to my samba share when I clicked the "Show" button in pnethood....

Looks like something doesn't like directory names with spaces in - directory is called "My Documents" on my xp desktop

Regards
peebee


Well we're making progress. Cool
I'll fix it in the next release.
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don570


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jan 2012, 21:10    Post subject:  

Good results. Laughing
Sound worked with aplay
and I could record with Bacon Recorder.

It installed properly on a rather difficult intel graphics chip.
IBM thinkcenter m52 .

Fluppy 012 will run but I couldn't get Fluppy 013 to run
on this machine.

Here's the video report.
Code:

VIDEO REPORT: Saluki, version 006

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution:  Depth 24  Depth: "Display"



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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 03:14    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
Go to the Appearance settings - on the Fonts tab you can set the dpi.


Thank you.
Though I was actually wondering what were the changes that made /root/.Xresources xft settings irrelevant and how to globally change it from the CLI in XFCE.
I guess I was looking for
Code:
<property name="DPI" type="int" value="NNN"/>
in /root/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml.
Maybe the "Set blobal font size" widget should also consider this. Though could be tricky to coordinate with .Xresources since they go the opposite way and screen resolutions vary. Some math is needed Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 03:27    Post subject:  

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My plan is to put all the applications in a separate SFS.

Hmmm! Not too sure about that. mick's approach is the more elegant. Freedom of choice and all that. The browser and email client are central to most subsequent deployment - get those right from the off and the sky's your oyster.

Speaking of browsers, Firefox is rapidly becoming a liability. Suggest concentrating on Opera and Midori with Chrome/Iron as soft options. Essential to get the FlashPlayer version correct, though. Still failing to achieve this with 006 and Opera 11.6.

Speaking of email clients, folks who try Claws like it (more than Sylpheed from which it branched, possibly?) but the big surprise is that those that bother to load up EudoraOSE rave about it. It always has been the best, shame about the Qualcomm fiasco. Only down side is its slavish adherence to Mr Webster.
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magerlab

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 11:01    Post subject:  

I added russian keboard layout as usual and flags change in xfce4 keyboard-layout indicator. Though it can not be used to control the settings( boxes are empty)

I'd better prefer a minimal distro without applications, even without a browser. That means, I can add only apps I prefer.
Also I think that we need a good looking puppy. So newer gtk themes MUST be in. To my taste, it's not necessary to include all the xfce4 -gtk themes. Even "slowest" gtk themes like murrine or equinox and aurora work fast in puppy

Jemimah, what do you plan to make a built in mediaplayer?

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 11:44    Post subject:  

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..minimal distro without applications, even without a browser. ... what do you plan to make a built in mediaplayer?

Priorities wrong way round?! It doesn't feature apt-get whatever from the CLI, so a basic browser, not a media player comes first. If you just want a media player stick your discs in the telly and its ancillaries - no need for a PC.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 12:01    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
jemimah wrote:
Go to the Appearance settings - on the Fonts tab you can set the dpi.


Thank you.
Though I was actually wondering what were the changes that made /root/.Xresources xft settings irrelevant and how to globally change it from the CLI in XFCE.
I guess I was looking for
Code:
<property name="DPI" type="int" value="NNN"/>
in /root/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml.
Maybe the "Set blobal font size" widget should also consider this. Though could be tricky to coordinate with .Xresources since they go the opposite way and screen resolutions vary. Some math is needed Very Happy


Adding the xfce session manager seems to give xfce control over these settings. Dpi settings do end up in /root/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml.

Code:
xsettings.xml:    <property name="DPI" type="int" value="102"/>
xsettings.xml:    <property name="LastCustomDPI" type="int" value="102"/>


I have removed the set global font size app for Saluki-007.
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magerlab

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 12:06    Post subject:  

I know what I mean of course:). I'd like to have a BASE system, something like Saluki looks now. I will add FF and if someone does not like it, he can add Chromium, etc.
Then, the question about mediaplayer means this: jemimah used gstreamer in Fluppy and it seems that this will also be in saluki, am I right.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan 2012, 12:13    Post subject:  

magerlab wrote:
I added russian keboard layout as usual and flags change in xfce4 keyboard-layout indicator. Though it can not be used to control the settings( boxes are empty)

I'd better prefer a minimal distro without applications, even without a browser. That means, I can add only apps I prefer.
Also I think that we need a good looking puppy. So newer gtk themes MUST be in. To my taste, it's not necessary to include all the xfce4 -gtk themes. Even "slowest" gtk themes like murrine or equinox and aurora work fast in puppy

Jemimah, what do you plan to make a built in mediaplayer?


I do intend to add the other theme engines - I just haven't done it yet.

From an architectural standpoint, gstreamer is the most interesting media backend, and the most bang for size because so many apps can take advantage of it - including Midori. However, Parole is kind of weak as a media player and last time I checked it was the only lightweight gstreamer-based video player. There might be something better by now.
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