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yr1945

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2012, 21:31    Post subject: Apology to Jemimah
Subject description: for earlier comments on Midori 043
 

Jemimah... I owe you an apology for my earlier comments on Midori 043... The problems I experienced with Midori 043 were of my own making... I was excited about the new Midori 043 version... I downloaded and installed it immediately... but, I did not use it for quite awhile... I was still experimenting with Saluki 003... I was installing (and uninstalling) numerous .pets... I was trying to set up Saluki 003 to my liking, but by doing so, I ended up installing and uninstalling many apps including Tman's "extras_0.1.pet"... Anyway, to make a long story short... after a lot of experimentation (in an effort for me to better learn "puppylinux")... I started using Midori 043 which I had installed before all my experiments... Shortly thereafter, I generated the "erroneous" problems report... Recently, however, I finally realized that I was having a lot of problems with Saluki 003... It was all my fault... All of my experimentation had made Saluki 003 very unstable... Nothing was working correctly...

Anyway, I have moved on to Saluki 004 and have installed Midori 043... NO PROBLEMS have been experienced with Midori 043 or Saluki 004... In fact, I really like the Midori browser and it suits my internet browsing requirements just fine...

I would like to add that I am now using XFCE... I really like it... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...

Also, I promise not to make any premature comments again...
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2012, 21:48    Post subject:  

Actually it brings up a point that I have tried to address in my sfs linker - if a file exists when a package is installed, the package file will overwrite it and if it is uninstalled....breakage.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2012, 22:47    Post subject:  

I bet that would be a fairly trivial fix to the package uninstaller...
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2012, 22:56    Post subject:  

It would be nice if unionfs or aufs could handle it... See thread in programming on handling whiteouts. It does slow down the install process if each file is checked.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2012, 23:26    Post subject:  

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Actually it brings up a point that I have tried to address in my sfs linker - if a file exists when a package is installed, the package file will overwrite it and if it is uninstalled....breakage.


Surely this is a package management issue, the same as dependencies?
Shouldn't the package manager write .bak files, to be re-installed at removal of a dupe file, or marked/flagged for non-removal if the same version?
Dependencies is still an issue, IMHO, depending if a package is installed w/o ppm, or also, I think, frugal vs full?

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 00:06    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
It would be nice if unionfs or aufs could handle it... See thread in programming on handling whiteouts. It does slow down the install process if each file is checked.


You wouldn't have whiteouts if you removed them directly from the rw branch. We already install this way.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 00:08    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
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Actually it brings up a point that I have tried to address in my sfs linker - if a file exists when a package is installed, the package file will overwrite it and if it is uninstalled....breakage.


Surely this is a package management issue, the same as dependencies?
Shouldn't the package manager write .bak files, to be re-installed at removal of a dupe file, or marked/flagged for non-removal if the same version?
Dependencies is still an issue, IMHO, depending if a package is installed w/o ppm, or also, I think, frugal vs full?

Aitch Smile


Of course, but this is a giant pain and requires a fair amount of testing.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 00:21    Post subject:  

Debian has it mostly right by splitting each library into its own package. This allows you to use objdump -x <binary> ¦ grep NEEDED to get actual the library dependencies (ldd doesn't)
If we use a temp install directory(extra resources), cp can make backups... So only uninstall would be slow (you'd need to check each file 1st). Not to mention some people wouldn't want the backups taking space ... Remastering would need to do a bunch of garbage too.

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 01:42    Post subject: Report  

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Saluki, version 004

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth "Display"

#glxgears
Running synchronized to vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.285 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.957 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.959 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.955 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.956 FPS

Typed by hand - never have found a good way to copy/paste urvxt/forum.

Manual-frugal install to ext4 USB flash drive using Grub4Dos. Audio worked on initial & puppy-save boots (barked), SNS set up WLAN correctly but did not retain settings when booting from puppy-save file. Midori 0.4.3 installed from thread pet link after installing the 2 recommended dependency pets; posting from Midori. Early ENE SD card reader for this netbook doesn't work; may be the kernel module since it works L5.28.4 & S5.3.1.

Great job Jemimah & everyone!

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 02:15    Post subject: Re: Report  

MoebusNet wrote:


Typed by hand - never have found a good way to copy/paste urvxt/forum.



Just highlight the text in the terminal and use the middle mouse button to paste into a text editor, works for me , not sure with a laptop though, may have to set it up to emulate a middle button
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 02:51    Post subject:  

Quote:
emulate a middle button

emulate scroll wheel/middle button by simultaneous click of both buttons

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 08:37    Post subject:
Subject description: package manager breaks
 

I've tried a number of times to create a usb booted version, everything works up until I create a save then it breaks the package manager, I can't install pet's it just copies the pet package to root and if I run that it makes a temp of it and does no more, it also won't download from the repositories, just gives an error that the file can't be found and locks up, to restart x have to alt ctrl backspace, I was doing a lot of the addons such as xfce but kept having this problem, so to make sure that it wasn't something I had done I only set the local then made a save, but still the same problem, I've checked the md5 on luki-004.iso, that is fine, is anyone else having any trouble with a usb bootable version, what can I do to get a list of the errors so someone can see where the problem lays. Confused

Geoffrey

Edit: I booted from a dvd and made a save on the HD, this works ok, copied the save file to the usb and booted it, it seems to work ok but still has a small problem unmounting drives, if I mount a partition and install a pet package from it, it don't show a confirmation, well not right away, as I was typing this one popped up from a install I did 5 minutes previously, until this happens I can't unmount the drive, I'll have to try another save without xfce installed to check if it still does this.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 11:20    Post subject: Re: Report  

Geoffrey wrote:
MoebusNet wrote:


Typed by hand - never have found a good way to copy/paste urvxt/forum.



Just highlight the text in the terminal and use the middle mouse button to paste into a text editor, works for me , not sure with a laptop though, may have to set it up to emulate a middle button
Geoffrey


Or just install lxterminal.
http://smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/lxterminal-0.1.11-vte-0.28.2-i486.pet
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MoebusNet

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 12:50    Post subject: Re: Report  

jemimah wrote:


Or just install lxterminal.
http://smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/lxterminal-0.1.11-vte-0.28.2-i486.pet


lxterminal sounds like a good solution; is that a good link? Midori opens a new tab but never opens the web page or attempts a download - I'll have to try to get the pet some other way.

EDIT: Link was good but had to d/l with Firefox; Midori wasn't saving the pet anywhere i could find. Minor issues - Browse icon does not select or open Midori icon as default browser, lxterminal installs from pet but does not show up in Menu>Utilities (or anywhere in Menu). lxterminal does run from urxvt by typing #lxterminal (bit redundant, that).

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jan 2012, 12:54    Post subject: xfwm4 won't restart to desktop  

Hi Jemimah & all,

Amd Phenom II X4 945 with ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics, but running with luki's built in driver. I installed dbus & dbus-glib pets, then xfce & xfce-extra themes pets. Exited to prompt and typed "xwin xfwm4" and pressed return. Remained without windows manager. Tried again, this time first running xorgwizard. Still remained without windows manager. Typed xwin jwm to return to desktop and checked dependencies. None were missing. I'll reboot to see if that was needed.

Rebooting did the trick.('Smile')

By the bye, Happy New Year.

mikesLr
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