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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2012, 22:29    Post subject: Re: Saluki 14 - wine, icewm, compiz  

Dromeno wrote:

I am not sure if I want to make the transition from icewm to xfce. Is there a version of icewm recommended for this puplet?


Just did this myself. Get icewm from here.

Then open the "session and startup" from the control panel. Under autostart add icewm, using the command "icewm --replace". No quote marks! Name it whatever you want.

Now, if you disable the icewm taskbar, you have a very elegant combination in the xfce panel with icewm window manager. Probably want some nice themes though!! If you want more help setting this up just ask (by default this icewm package is a little odd as far as setup goes). Maybe start a new thread for that.

Jemimah: I like the custom builder! I just deleted the adrive file and am now adding whatever I like. Very nice.

Also, when installing icewm the menu doesn't quite work. (It's pretty close though). The system category isn't added for one.

Thanks for the great work!

-Thomas

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 01:39    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
mavrothal wrote:
Sage wrote:
Black screens, video cards, monitors, etc may bore the pants of some, but, at the moment, it's the most important issue confronting the breed.


Indeed hardware compatibility hits you way before interface usability/package availability.
Saluki may choose to focus only on machines that work or rediscover the wheel as luci, slacko, exprimo, fatdog, etc before it.
Maybe is time for a coherent, collaborative, development model (git/subversion/mercurial) with "clear" commits, branches, pulling, merging, etc?...


If Barry has no interest in sponsoring this type of development it's up to the community to set it up. But first someone needs to build a puplet good enough to attract a developer community.

I'm trying to here to make a puplet that is flexible enough in the right places to encourage to merging rather than forking, but it takes time.

To further complicate things, all of Barry's patches to woof would need to be merged manually. It's not easy since Barry localized everything it's going to be a major pain to get things back in sync.



That is a mistake that other pupplets did before (except slacko I believe that stays very close to woof). They wait too long to publicly "branch and patch" so by the time they are "ready" they have diverged too much to merge. This "privacy" has also not given the "chance" to BK to maybe pick an choose "appealing" changes, so merging might become easier latter. He does look at the public code anyway, so this should not be out of question

I think though that the real problem might be that actually pupplets are not developed within a versioning system to begin with! If they had I believe things would be simpler.
This is the fundamental culture change that puppy developers need, I think.

BTW, "good enough" is maybe the wrong approach when it comes to development. Is too late in the game and takes all the fun and drive away from the prospective contributors Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 06:19    Post subject:  

Never experienced this before. Confused
Booted into 014 from DVD - it is relatively pristine.
No sound.
Annoying but tried various options (that had already been set). I got sound but it was slowed down to maybe half speed. Very bizarre. Not sure why. Eventually got normal sound after reboots but then the mouse cursor slowed down and I had to abandon Saluki altogether . . .

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 06:34    Post subject:  

Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux, I think maybe the package manager is a bit hidden. Maybe a launcher pre-configured to the panel labled 'Install software' would be nice
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 07:20    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:

Skip it for now unless there's a specific reason you need it.
Yeah, don't worry about OSS either.


Right, I should get this done this evening! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 07:33    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Yesterday, at 22:29 Post subject: Re: Saluki 14 - wine, icewm, compiz
Just did this myself. Get icewm from here.

Then open the "session and startup" from the control panel. Under autostart add icewm, using the command "icewm --replace". No quote marks! Name it whatever you want.

Now, if you disable the icewm taskbar, you have a very elegant combination in the xfce panel with icewm window manager. Probably want some nice themes though!! If you want more help setting this up just ask (by default this icewm package is a little odd as far as setup goes). Maybe start a new thread for that.

Jemimah: I like the custom builder! I just deleted the adrive file and am now adding whatever I like. Very nice.

Also, when installing icewm the menu doesn't quite work. (It's pretty close though). The system category isn't added for one.

Thanks for the great work!

-Thomas

There is an assembly with JWM, but only in Russian.
Here is a link to the image of the delta Saluki 014
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1txaop
md5 - e1ad0a641463d6f8d94151ad4cf65dc2 31мб
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 08:01    Post subject:  

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Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux

- cheap jibe: difficult to see anything with a black screen! Newcomers GO to Mint, do not pass GO, do not collect the golden prize.

One has the greatest admiration and respect for what Jemimah is doing. But this whole issue of HW compat.& black-screening, synch-ing, etc., although difficult, tedious and unexciting for coders, imagine what it's like for mere users like YT. Dialogue failure between users & coders has set back this entire field by years since inception. Why do users like Mint and Android? Because they work o.o.b. - no screen fiddling, no codecs to install, no Flashplayer to select, ad.inf. Like all worthwhile endeavours in science, 2.5yrs of purgatory, late nights, pain and anguish, then - bingo - everything slots into place and you're another Brian Cox TV phenomenon! At least, that's the kind of truth I had to disillusion generations of my past students with, who eventually went on to live normal, happy, successful and enlightened lives.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 08:06    Post subject:  

Ha ha... your posts often crack me up Sage. Would be fun to have a beer sometime................. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 08:07    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 08:09    Post subject:  

To whom it may concern,

DaveS made this suggestion to jemimah:

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Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux, I think maybe the package manager is a bit hidden. Maybe a launcher pre-configured to the panel labled 'Install software' would be nice

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Sage, with his usual arrogance and inability to understand the English language, responded:

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Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux

- cheap jibe: difficult to see anything with a black screen! Newcomers GO to Mint, do not pass GO, do not collect the golden prize.

- then, not reproduced here, Sage continued and ended with an autobiographical note beyond the range of credibility.
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Sage - I do not appreciate what is actually your "cheap jibe" at jemimah nor your recent response to playdayz in another thread “But many thanks for your prompt response, don't get such courtesy very often.” which by implication is meant to label jemimah and 01micko as discourteous.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 08:39    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
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Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux

- cheap jibe: difficult to see anything with a black screen! Newcomers GO to Mint, do not pass GO, do not collect the golden prize.

One has the greatest admiration and respect for what Jemimah is doing. But this whole issue of HW compat.& black-screening, synch-ing, etc., although difficult, tedious and unexciting for coders, imagine what it's like for mere users like YT. Dialogue failure between users & coders has set back this entire field by years since inception. Why do users like Mint and Android? Because they work o.o.b. - no screen fiddling, no codecs to install, no Flashplayer to select, ad.inf. Like all worthwhile endeavours in science, 2.5yrs of purgatory, late nights, pain and anguish, then - bingo - everything slots into place and you're another Brian Cox TV phenomenon! At least, that's the kind of truth I had to disillusion generations of my past students with, who eventually went on to live normal, happy, successful and enlightened lives.



hmm well you can`t please everyone. I guess if we go to the Mint forum noone is complaining there...

I have testet saluki on the following gear, from saluki 03 to 14. Was stuck on 12 for a while Smile HP HDX 9050, Asus G73JH, Acer Aspire One 150. and a another acer laptop that i dont recall the model number. All goes straight to desktop with the correct resolution.

Looking forward to the luki 15
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 09:14    Post subject:  

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All goes straight to desktop with the correct resolution.

Never bought a proprietary box this last ~30yrs. Have you as comprehensive range of HW in your workshop for testing? Mine ranges from 15" crt to 40" led Smart TV, 8bit (if I can find it!) to 64bit, AMD, Intel, ARM and, oh yes, an Evergreen MxPro200! inter alia.

It's not the stuff that works that we need to know about...

Beer sounds good, DS. Presume it's your round?
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 09:37    Post subject:  

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Never bought a proprietary box this last ~30yrs


Same here ( only about the last 15 though, began building with a 486 Dx2 66Mhz ) but i think it was when i first bought my HDX 9050 i realy leaped in to the future. Afterwards the standard box was not so appealing anymore. The HDX 9050 came with a 20" screen and 2 hard drive bays. a ATi Radeon HD2600 that was a okey setup for a normal machine when i bought the laptop. The sad thing that it came with windows Vista and thats the only reason i found puppy linux. Should thank MS for making it so slow Smile

and for other gears, i am collecting old hardware. so when my newborn son grows up he and I can play Duke Nukem, Diablo 2 and Quake over LAN. Smile
I have alot but its in the shed, in my office i got the 4 laptops on my desk and a server under it ( runs LH64 ) my wife has a samsung laptop conected to a 40" screen as a office machine Smile my HTPC is a samsung laptop conected to a samsung 59" plasma. I have thested LH64 on it. No saluki just yet. I have 2 more 3ghz machines that i will install Saluki on. One will I use as a bedroom pc and the other a kitchen raido. Thanks for the spotify and minitube btw. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 14:49    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Quote:
Trying to see this thru the eyes of a user new to Linux

- cheap jibe: difficult to see anything with a black screen! Newcomers GO to Mint, do not pass GO, do not collect the golden prize.

One has the greatest admiration and respect for what Jemimah is doing. But this whole issue of HW compat.& black-screening, synch-ing, etc., although difficult, tedious and unexciting for coders, imagine what it's like for mere users like YT. Dialogue failure between users & coders has set back this entire field by years since inception. Why do users like Mint and Android? Because they work o.o.b. - no screen fiddling, no codecs to install, no Flashplayer to select, ad.inf. Like all worthwhile endeavours in science, 2.5yrs of purgatory, late nights, pain and anguish, then - bingo - everything slots into place and you're another Brian Cox TV phenomenon! At least, that's the kind of truth I had to disillusion generations of my past students with, who eventually went on to live normal, happy, successful and enlightened lives.


sage

don't see your name in the first post here. the only communication failure in 123 pgs is yours.

you have not put forth one line of code here or anywhere I've seen on this forum so you are not a coder and would not have the vaguest notion what they may feel.

would you like some cheese with your whine?

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012, 16:59    Post subject:
Subject description: Python 3.1.4 and Pygame
 

@Jemimah

Re-built pet that installs to /usr
Python 3.1.4

Regarding Scratch:
I've just booted into Saluki14 with pfix=ram.

It might be okay to ignore the libpulse message - I changed the plugins entry to ALSA in the shell-script.

I've remade the pet with the original name and it now uninstalls correctly.

It does seem to be working (cat meows when asked to!)

I'll try to get the libv4 thing working as soon as I can Very Happy

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