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#1786 Post by dalderton »

I have been through the xorgwizard route but it still would not give me the required resolution. Once previously when I tried Saluki it would boot to the screen but It would not respond to the mouse clicks so I gave up on it . Then last week when I tried it igot the aforementioned problem with resolution.
All very strange but I guess thats why we continue to try these things.
Regards Dennis.

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#1787 Post by Sage »

xorgwizard route ... would not give me the required resolution
Generally, it's necessary to choose the native resolution for your monitor, then select a lower resolution to display. If you start with 800x600 display that is almost ubiquitous, then, depending on monitor/eyesight/proximity it may be possible to set 1024x768. Folks displaying to their (large) TV screens often choose too high a display requiring viewers to unpack their opera glasses...

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#1788 Post by antiloquax »

Here's my .pet for pygame in Python2.7.
You'll need the Saluki Python2.7, python-tk, tk, tcl, and all the SDL bits.
Pygame for Python2.7.2
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#1789 Post by mavrothal »

Since the early Racy builds I had issues with the 7.6 xserver.
It may has to do with the way was build (as a replacement for the 7.3 xserver of Wary).
It may worth recompiling for Saluki or use the one from Luci (certain components I tried work fine). I believe the Racy/Saluki version is build from the Ubuntu 10.04 sources anyway.
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#1790 Post by jemimah »

dalderton wrote:I have been through the xorgwizard route but it still would not give me the required resolution. Once previously when I tried Saluki it would boot to the screen but It would not respond to the mouse clicks so I gave up on it . Then last week when I tried it igot the aforementioned problem with resolution.
All very strange but I guess thats why we continue to try these things.
Regards Dennis.
This sounds more like a case of a missing zdrive.

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#1791 Post by ICPUG »

Sage

You make a good point about the appearance of blank screen with some hardware. It is very offputting to the average user. There were two aspects to worry about - dealing with kernel mode setting and the introduction of the automatic X-Org trying to dispense with user defined parameters.

A lot of time was spent when Lucid was developed in solving these problems because boot to desktop was a requirement of this puppy.

Barry, who likes to do things his way, then created an alternative way of dealing with the automatic X-Org.

The trouble with the Puppy development model is that every other developer has to get the knowledge somehow and knowledge transfer between developers is not great. Initially, Mick01 failed to get Slacko to boot to desktop and just gave up trying for a while. I think it has improved a bit since. It seems Jemimah has decided not to fight the automatic X-Org problem.

elroy

#1792 Post by elroy »

What kind of hardware (monitor, etc.) are you running Saluki on. The reason I ask is that if you look at Saluki’s mission statement, from post #1 of the Saluki forum (The suggested target hardware is computers less than 5 years old), this doesn't seem to be an issue. If you're using Saluki on hardware older than the suggested target base, then you're kind of on your own as far as support goes. I myself am using a cheap laptop that's two years old that I purchased from Walmart. I haven't experienced any of these issues. As a matter of fact, I haven't experienced any issues on my cheap-o AMD laptop. I could be wrong, and if I am, please forgive me for my ignorance, but for the most part these complaints haven't been an issue on newer hardware to date.
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#1793 Post by Tman »

jemimah wrote:
Tman wrote:Heres a rudimentary pet of Uzbl web browser...
I've uploaded this to the repo.
I don't think uzbl is ready for general use, as I haven't figured out how to get the key bindings working, so you can surf, but the keyboard functions don't seem to be working (not very useful atm)..I'm taking a look at /root/.config/uzbl/config , trying to figure it out.

EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...

Okay, I figured it out...the first lines in uzbl-event-manager and uzbl-tabbed needed to be changed from "env python2" to
"env python". I don't know why that is, becuase python2 is installed in Saluki, but it works now.

Jemimah, please remove the old Uzbl pet from the repo. The keyboard functions work with this one out of the box...
I may make a new pet with a custom uzbl homepage, for easier use in the future.
Attachments
uzbl_browser-0.5-saluki.pet
take 5 - set homepage to google.ca, modified the download handler
(129.31 KiB) Downloaded 267 times
xclip-0.11-saluki.pet
(19.52 KiB) Downloaded 215 times
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#1794 Post by Sage »

It seems Jemimah has decided not to fight the automatic X-Org problem.
!!!
I could be wrong...
- fraid so, you'd need to have been following this plot for a long time. Should've read ICPUG immediately preceding for a potted history. And then there's the eyesight/viewer positioning/nV v. ATI/etc. Age doesn't figure prominently, except, of course, everyone knows the 'old ones' are the best...

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#1795 Post by James C »

I'm just relieved to know that these old boxes that I built in 2010 , not elcheapo either, are not new enough to boot to a desktop in Saluki. Knew I shouldn't have chosen to build with something as uncommon as Nvidia graphics either. :lol:

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#1796 Post by jemimah »

Tman wrote:
jemimah wrote:
Tman wrote:Heres a rudimentary pet of Uzbl web browser...
I've uploaded this to the repo.
I don't think uzbl is ready for general use, as I haven't figured out how to get the key bindings working, so you can surf, but the keyboard functions don't seem to be working (not very useful atm)..I'm taking a look at /root/.config/uzbl/config , trying to figure it out.

EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...

Okay, I figured it out...the first lines in uzbl-event-manager and uzbl-tabbed needed to be changed from "env python2" to
"env python". I don't know why that is, becuase python2 is installed in Saluki, but it works now.

Jemimah, please remove the old Uzbl pet from the repo. The keyboard functions work with this one out of the box...
I may make a new pet with a custom uzbl homepage, for easier use in the future.
Ok, I will take care of this tonight.
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#1797 Post by Tman »

Tman wrote: EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...
the python-2.7 pet in the repo has "python xclip"

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#1798 Post by antiloquax »

James C wrote:I'm just relieved to know that these old boxes that I built in 2010 , not elcheapo either, are not new enough to boot to a desktop in Saluki. Knew I shouldn't have chosen to build with something as uncommon as Nvidia graphics either. :lol:
Sarcasm :wink:
It's not the age, I'd guess. Saluki works fine on my old Toshiba laptop. It's to do with Nvidia in some way. When I boot my desktop machine with Saluki, it "chooses" a resolution my monitor doesn't support. Helpfully, my monitor still displays the desktop while flashing up an "out of range" warning (it's an old 1024x768 screen). So then I exit to prompt and do the xorgwizard thing. It's all part of the fun, I'd say! :D :D
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#1799 Post by jemimah »

I could blacklist the nouveau driver and let the nv driver handle nvidia. I don't know if this would cause more harm than good though.

I've never owned any nvidia hardware myself so (helpful) feedback and patches are welcome!

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#1800 Post by Sage »

I could blacklist the nouveau driver
Bells are ringing. The old memory box aint perfect but that sounds very much like a strategy that was used previously, maybe some years ago when it first raised it's ugly. One person who would know is BK, of course.

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#1801 Post by antiloquax »

nouveau is the one that works for me. nv failed.

By the way, my .pet for Scratch seems to work fine on Saluki.
Do you think I should re-build it from Saluki, or do you want to test it to check if it is okay as it is?
Scratch is used a lot in UK schools to teach kids basic programming.

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#1802 Post by minesadorada »

I fired up Saluki 14 as a frugal install.

Quad-core/16GB RAM desktop machine with many hard disks.

Good first impressions, but as a distro ostensibly aimed at ex-windows users it was puzzling to access the hard drives, and it took a while before discovering the icon on the system tray.

Is there an absolutely compelling reason for drives to be labelled 'sda1, sb1, sdc' etc

Would it be a terrible thing is Saluki displayed the drives as 'C, D, E' etc?

Would it be a terrible thing if Saluki alone had a 'My Computer' icon which when clicked mimicked the drives icon in the system tray?

This is not a complaint - merely a suggestion. As a new Puppy user of course I now have no problem with the Linux conventions, and I appreciate the unpaid work puppy distro-developers do.

Sometimes though, a good idea is simply a good idea. Microsoft's 'My Computer' desktop icon is simply a good idea worth copying IMO.

I really like the way mounted drives are displayed in file save/open dialogs. A big step forward for puppy IMO.
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#1803 Post by James C »

A little graphics comparison.....
Saluki 014 live pfix=ram. Booted to an incorrect 1280x1024 resolution. Used xorgwizard from first run to achieve desired 1366x768.


# report-video
Saluki, version 014 on Tue 13 Mar 2012

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

Latest Slacko 5.3.2.7 live pfix=ram.Booted to the correct 1366x768 resolution.

# report-video
Slacko Puppy, version 5.3.2.7 on Tue 13 Mar 2012

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

Latest Exprimo 5.X.3.2.9.2 live pfix=ram. Booted to the correct 1366x768 resolution.

# report-video
Dpup Exprimo, version 5.X.3.2.9.2 on Tue 13 Mar 2012

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)


X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nv

X.Org version: 1.7.7
dimensions: 1368x768 pixels (414x232 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

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#1804 Post by James C »

Fedora 16 live pfix=ram. Booted to the correct 1366x768 desktop. And I can't stand Gnome 3. :lol:

X.Org X Server 1.11.1
Release Date: 2011-09-24
[ 61.425] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[ 61.425] Build Operating System: x86-04 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64
[ 61.425] Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 3.1.0-7.fc16.i686 #1 SMP Tue Nov 1 21:00:16 UTC 2011 i686
[ 61.425] Kernel command line: initrd=initrd0.img root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-16-i686-Live-Desktop.iso rootfstype=auto ro liveimg quiet rhgb rd.luks=0 rd.md=0 rd.dm=0 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz0
[ 61.425] Build Date: 26 September 2011 06:32:25PM
[ 61.425] Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.11.1-1.fc16
[ 61.425] Current version of pixman: 0.22.2

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#1805 Post by James C »

A bit older Nvidia graphics card.

Saluki 014 live pfix=ram. Booted to a black desktop with a monitor out of range message. Heard the bark but missed out on first run settings. Three- finger-salute to xorgwizard, probe and got desired 1440x900 resolution.


# report-video
Saluki, version 014 on Mon 12 Mar 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz


Slacko 5.3.2.7 live pfix=ram. Booted straight to the correct 1440x900 resolution. Sound and internet good ootb.

# report-video
Slacko Puppy, version 5.3.2.7 on Tue 13 Mar 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

Exprimo 5.3.2.9.2
live pfix=ram. Boots straight to the correct 1440x900 desktop.

# report-video
Dpup Exprimo, version 5.X.3.2.9.2 on Tue 13 Mar 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: is

X.Org version: 1.7.7
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

Actually using the "nv" driver.
VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS]

Time for a break....... :lol:

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