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dalderton

Joined: 22 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 05:46    Post subject:  

I have been through the xorgwizard route but it still would not give me the required resolution. Once previously when I tried Saluki it would boot to the screen but It would not respond to the mouse clicks so I gave up on it . Then last week when I tried it igot the aforementioned problem with resolution.
All very strange but I guess thats why we continue to try these things.
Regards Dennis.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 06:50    Post subject:  

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xorgwizard route ... would not give me the required resolution

Generally, it's necessary to choose the native resolution for your monitor, then select a lower resolution to display. If you start with 800x600 display that is almost ubiquitous, then, depending on monitor/eyesight/proximity it may be possible to set 1024x768. Folks displaying to their (large) TV screens often choose too high a display requiring viewers to unpack their opera glasses...
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antiloquax


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 06:56    Post subject:
Subject description: Pygame for Python2.7
 

Here's my .pet for pygame in Python2.7.
You'll need the Saluki Python2.7, python-tk, tk, tcl, and all the SDL bits.
Pygame for Python2.7.2

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 07:37    Post subject:  

Since the early Racy builds I had issues with the 7.6 xserver.
It may has to do with the way was build (as a replacement for the 7.3 xserver of Wary).
It may worth recompiling for Saluki or use the one from Luci (certain components I tried work fine). I believe the Racy/Saluki version is build from the Ubuntu 10.04 sources anyway.

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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 08:45    Post subject:  

dalderton wrote:
I have been through the xorgwizard route but it still would not give me the required resolution. Once previously when I tried Saluki it would boot to the screen but It would not respond to the mouse clicks so I gave up on it . Then last week when I tried it igot the aforementioned problem with resolution.
All very strange but I guess thats why we continue to try these things.
Regards Dennis.


This sounds more like a case of a missing zdrive.
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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 10:03    Post subject:  

Sage

You make a good point about the appearance of blank screen with some hardware. It is very offputting to the average user. There were two aspects to worry about - dealing with kernel mode setting and the introduction of the automatic X-Org trying to dispense with user defined parameters.

A lot of time was spent when Lucid was developed in solving these problems because boot to desktop was a requirement of this puppy.

Barry, who likes to do things his way, then created an alternative way of dealing with the automatic X-Org.

The trouble with the Puppy development model is that every other developer has to get the knowledge somehow and knowledge transfer between developers is not great. Initially, Mick01 failed to get Slacko to boot to desktop and just gave up trying for a while. I think it has improved a bit since. It seems Jemimah has decided not to fight the automatic X-Org problem.
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elroy


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 11:01    Post subject:  

What kind of hardware (monitor, etc.) are you running Saluki on. The reason I ask is that if you look at Saluki’s mission statement, from post #1 of the Saluki forum (The suggested target hardware is computers less than 5 years old), this doesn't seem to be an issue. If you're using Saluki on hardware older than the suggested target base, then you're kind of on your own as far as support goes. I myself am using a cheap laptop that's two years old that I purchased from Walmart. I haven't experienced any of these issues. As a matter of fact, I haven't experienced any issues on my cheap-o AMD laptop. I could be wrong, and if I am, please forgive me for my ignorance, but for the most part these complaints haven't been an issue on newer hardware to date.
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Tman


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 11:19    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
Tman wrote:
Heres a rudimentary pet of Uzbl web browser...

I've uploaded this to the repo.


I don't think uzbl is ready for general use, as I haven't figured out how to get the key bindings working, so you can surf, but the keyboard functions don't seem to be working (not very useful atm)..I'm taking a look at /root/.config/uzbl/config , trying to figure it out.

EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...

Okay, I figured it out...the first lines in uzbl-event-manager and uzbl-tabbed needed to be changed from "env python2" to
"env python". I don't know why that is, becuase python2 is installed in Saluki, but it works now.

Jemimah, please remove the old Uzbl pet from the repo. The keyboard functions work with this one out of the box...
I may make a new pet with a custom uzbl homepage, for easier use in the future.
uzbl_browser-0.5-saluki.pet
Description  take 5 - set homepage to google.ca, modified the download handler
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xclip-0.11-saluki.pet
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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 12:48    Post subject:  

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It seems Jemimah has decided not to fight the automatic X-Org problem.
!!!

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I could be wrong...
- fraid so, you'd need to have been following this plot for a long time. Should've read ICPUG immediately preceding for a potted history. And then there's the eyesight/viewer positioning/nV v. ATI/etc. Age doesn't figure prominently, except, of course, everyone knows the 'old ones' are the best...
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James C


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 12:58    Post subject:  

I'm just relieved to know that these old boxes that I built in 2010 , not elcheapo either, are not new enough to boot to a desktop in Saluki. Knew I shouldn't have chosen to build with something as uncommon as Nvidia graphics either. Laughing
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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 13:08    Post subject:  

Tman wrote:
jemimah wrote:
Tman wrote:
Heres a rudimentary pet of Uzbl web browser...

I've uploaded this to the repo.


I don't think uzbl is ready for general use, as I haven't figured out how to get the key bindings working, so you can surf, but the keyboard functions don't seem to be working (not very useful atm)..I'm taking a look at /root/.config/uzbl/config , trying to figure it out.

EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...

Okay, I figured it out...the first lines in uzbl-event-manager and uzbl-tabbed needed to be changed from "env python2" to
"env python". I don't know why that is, becuase python2 is installed in Saluki, but it works now.

Jemimah, please remove the old Uzbl pet from the repo. The keyboard functions work with this one out of the box...
I may make a new pet with a custom uzbl homepage, for easier use in the future.


Ok, I will take care of this tonight.

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Tman


Joined: 22 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 13:13    Post subject:  

Tman wrote:

EDIT: okay, the website says it needs xclip installed for keybindings to work, but something is still wrong...


the python-2.7 pet in the repo has "python xclip"
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antiloquax


Joined: 27 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 13:46    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
I'm just relieved to know that these old boxes that I built in 2010 , not elcheapo either, are not new enough to boot to a desktop in Saluki. Knew I shouldn't have chosen to build with something as uncommon as Nvidia graphics either. Laughing


Sarcasm Wink
It's not the age, I'd guess. Saluki works fine on my old Toshiba laptop. It's to do with Nvidia in some way. When I boot my desktop machine with Saluki, it "chooses" a resolution my monitor doesn't support. Helpfully, my monitor still displays the desktop while flashing up an "out of range" warning (it's an old 1024x768 screen). So then I exit to prompt and do the xorgwizard thing. It's all part of the fun, I'd say! Very Happy Very Happy

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jemimah


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 13:51    Post subject:  

I could blacklist the nouveau driver and let the nv driver handle nvidia. I don't know if this would cause more harm than good though.

I've never owned any nvidia hardware myself so (helpful) feedback and patches are welcome!
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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 14:01    Post subject:  

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I could blacklist the nouveau driver

Bells are ringing. The old memory box aint perfect but that sounds very much like a strategy that was used previously, maybe some years ago when it first raised it's ugly. One person who would know is BK, of course.
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