Is Slacko the new PL?

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bigpup
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#16 Post by bigpup »

then it would not fail where Lupu 528 works? Sure it is maybe unusual
to use two screens but many do have problem reading when them get old
This could be a simple graphics driver issue.
This would be a feature of the graphics driver.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected :shock:
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#17 Post by nooby »

bigpup wrote:
then it would not fail where Lupu 528 works? Sure it is maybe unusual
to use two screens but many do have problem reading when them get old
This could be a simple graphics driver issue.
This would be a feature of the graphics driver.
what you miss is that it is no problem for the Lupu 511 513 or 525 nor 528.
All of them manage to force that driver hardware combination to comply
with what the user prefer. Not so in Slacko. and on two difference machines
Acer D250 and Asus EeePC 900.

I am in Slacko 5.3 now.
and the setup produced this xorg.conf


#everything past here is auto-generated by Puppy's Xorg Wizard...


Section "ServerLayout"
InputDevice "Synaptics Mouse" "AlwaysCore"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "se" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Synaptics Mouse"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "LeftEdge" "1700"
Option "RightEdge" "5300"
Option "TopEdge" "1700"
Option "BottomEdge" "4200"
Option "FingerLow" "25"
Option "FingerHigh" "30"
Option "MaxTapTime" "0"
Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.10"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.30"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.0030"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
#Option "Repeater" "/dev/ps2mouse"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
HorizSync 31-61
VertRefresh 56-75
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz",
### <percent>: "<f>%"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "AccelMethod" # [<str>]
#Option "DRI" # [<bool>]
#Option "ColorKey" # <i>
#Option "VideoKey" # <i>
#Option "FallbackDebug" # [<bool>]
#Option "Tiling" # [<bool>]
#Option "LinearFramebuffer" # [<bool>]
#Option "Shadow" # [<bool>]
#Option "SwapbuffersWait" # [<bool>]
#Option "XvMC" # [<bool>]
#Option "XvPreferOverlay" # [<bool>]
#Option "DebugFlushBatches" # [<bool>]
#Option "DebugFlushCaches" # [<bool>]
#Option "DebugWait" # [<bool>]
#Option "HotPlug" # [<bool>]
#Option "RelaxedFencing" # [<bool>]
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "intel" #card0driver
Option "LinearAlloc" "6144"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 16
#Option "metamodes" "1024x768_60 +0+0" #METAMODES_0
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubsection
EndSection


While the lupu 513??? Snow Puppy that I have as an example
does give this that works.

#everything past here is auto-generated by Puppy's Xorg Wizard...

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "se" #xkeymap0
EndSection


Wow that is a big difference.
okay that one default to 800 x 600 so one go to
Menu then Set up and personal settings and now
the 1024 x 768 is available for choice which it fails
when one use the set up that Slacko produce.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#18 Post by 8-bit »

I have an old Toshiba Laptop that originally came with Windows 98SE and drivers supplied by Toshiba.
I tried to reinstall Win98SE on it and beside running slow, the screen resolution 800X600 maxed out at 16 colors because windows could not supposedly find a video driver specific to the hardware and was using a generic one.

I then booted Puppy and all hardware was found and my display now had the missing colors.
The only thing I was missing was a driver from Toshiba called "Pan and Scan" that allows one to use a higher screen resolution than the monitor normally allows.

If you are curious as to why I was trying to reinstall windows, it was for some children's dos shareware games that I have had for a long time.
But it looks like Puppy with Dosbox is the way to go.

For any interested one of the games is still available and quite good.
It is called Amy's Fun House and can be found by a net search for fun23.

My great grandchildren love that game that teaches number recognition and counting in a fun way.

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#19 Post by Burn_IT »

I presume that Pan and Scan gave you a 800x600 "viewing window" through to a larger logical screen. A bit like moving a reading glass over a page.
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#20 Post by bigpup »

nooby,
I agree Slacko 5.3 graphics driver support is not as good as Lucid Puppy.
I assume you have used Slickpet->drivers tab
to check for driver options.
It does require more work to come up with the proper driver.
That was one thing I like most about the Lucid Puppy series. A lot of time was spent getting graphics card support working.
Again, your problem with Slacko could just be using the wrong graphics driver.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected :shock:
YaPI(any iso installer)

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#21 Post by arcanis »

bigpup wrote:...Slacko 5.3 graphics driver support is not as good as Lucid Puppy.
Yes, but I think we're working on that. :D

Lucid wasn't perfect all at once, either.

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#22 Post by nooby »

I dearly hope that my poor English is not seen as bad criticism
I am just spoiled by the ability to use an external screen for my
bad eye sight using Lupu and then when everybody talk about
how Slacko is a good build and it fails on what a noob see as easy
things like getting graphics right then I most likely is very unfair.

It could be a very childish reaction by me to all the praise.

Take the contempt the Slackware supporters in Linux Questions
had for Porteus.

I mean their beloved Slackware does not work at all on my gear
and how I install while Porteus is one of the few outside of Puppy
that does work. So either the Slackware supporters are so envy
on Porteus that the only way them can react is total denial of failure
or to take the ideological stance that what I do and what Porteus allow
should not be done and should be discouraged by using ridicule as
weapon against it.

Yes I hate Microsoft tactics and their very poor coding too.
But to be so hating that one refuse to make the OS load on
NTFS that is to be overly fanatic. If almost ever potential linux
user out there only can affordably buy a Ms Win machine and need
that for to be able to talk computer with relatives sharing software
for their smartphone upgrades and to talk to Support customer care.

Then to wipe that out instead of doing dual boot is to be fanatic.
My approach is that one have what is available and make the best use
of these instead of demanding everybody to abandon what them payed
for. That is not to support Microsoft at all. One use Dual boot to get
totally independent of them. If one delete it then one get totally dependent
on them when the Smartphone tells you that the only way to update is
to use Ms Win because them don't support Linux update. To be pragmatic.
sorry I get worked up. I am obviously a boot frugally on NTFS fanatic.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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