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Lucid 5.28 STILL becomes mute
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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 11:20    Post subject:    

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Remove whole the /dev directory in the save file.


BIG FAT WARNING : Puppy kernels are not configured [ yet ] with dynamic /dev directory management !
[ like most kernels of the major distros are ]

Removing everything inside the /dev directory
in FULL INSTALLATIONS
would make the kernel not being able to find /dev/sda OR /dev/sdb AND /dev/sda1 OR /dev/sdb1 ;

this would result in kernel panic IICR !!
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 03:18    Post subject: Removing /dev  

Karl Godt wrote:
Quote:
Remove whole the /dev directory in the save file.


BIG FAT WARNING : Puppy kernels are not configured [ yet ] with dynamic /dev directory management !
[ like most kernels of the major distros are ]

Removing everything inside the /dev directory
in FULL INSTALLATIONS
would make the kernel not being able to find /dev/sda OR /dev/sdb AND /dev/sda1 OR /dev/sdb1 ;

this would result in kernel panic IICR !!

Is that so? I have never tested with FULL install. EDIT: Karl, you are right. FULL install cannot boot up without some of /dev contents.

It is no problem with FRUGAL install where the main SFS has the essential files.
I do not mean deleting /dev of running puppy, but /initrd/pup_ro1/dev which is /dev in the save file(PUPMODE=13) or the /mnt/home/dev for the PUPMODE=7.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 10:56    Post subject:  

Thank you, guys. I've read in another post that I should also make the save file before making any changes to the system. Also, I usually set my install to copy the main lupu528.sfs file into my flash drive, can this file get corrupted too?
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Nov 2011, 15:50    Post subject:  

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I usually set my install to copy the main lupu528.sfs file into my flash drive, can this file get corrupted too?

Anything is possible.

You could not copy the Lupu528.sfs to the flash drive and just use it from the live CD.
See if that helps.

If I understand you boot with a Puppy live CD and keep your files on a USB flash drive.

One idea.
Format the flash drive ext3 or ext4, a Linux format. May help.
Most flash drives come formatted VFat.

Quality and age of flash drive could be an issue.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Nov 2011, 21:31    Post subject:  

If you can, ferro10n I would be interested to know if you have the same problem with Three-Headed Dog. It has the same features as Lucid 5.2.8 but with a newer kernel (from slacko). http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736

Since you are just starting you might also want to give Slacko itself a try.

If you like some of the features of Lucid, there is a way to install them easily into Slacko. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73580
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Nov 2011, 22:15    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
If you can, ferro10n I would be interested to know if you have the same problem with Three-Headed Dog. It has the same features as Lucid 5.2.8 but with a newer kernel (from slacko). http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736

Since you are just starting you might also want to give Slacko itself a try.

If you like some of the features of Lucid, there is a way to install them easily into Slacko. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73580


I did test Slacko, it's great! But it crashed on my computer. I did nothing but the usual for an average user, then I read somewhere I don't remember that it was made with newer computers in mind (certainly it was like a great party on my friend's all-in-one Compaq) so I simply tested other versions. I can try again by making a save file before modifying the system, as said before, maybe that works. You can see my computer details on my signature below.

Regarding Three Headed Dog, I think I can give it a go. I haven't downloaded it yet because my Internet is not fast enough. I'll let you know when I try it.

As for the 002 update for L528, I'm not having any problems yet since I've installed it, even got an improvement on the performance of some aplications. There's just one thing I can't solve yet--when I install Opera and choose it as default, I can't start it by clicking the 'browse' icon, as happens with SeaMonkey and Firefox. It's not such an important bug actually, I just copy the Opera icon on the desktop and set a hotkey. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Nov 2011, 20:33    Post subject:  

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002 update for L528, I'm not having any problems yet since I've installed it, even got an improvement on the performance of some aplications. There's just one thing I can't solve yet--when I install Opera and choose it as default, I can't start it by clicking the 'browse' icon

ferro10n, It should be associated with the browse icon on the desktop if you install this one made for Lucid. ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-lucid/Opera-11.52-Lucid.pet
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2011, 00:21    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
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002 update for L528, I'm not having any problems yet since I've installed it, even got an improvement on the performance of some aplications. There's just one thing I can't solve yet--when I install Opera and choose it as default, I can't start it by clicking the 'browse' icon

ferro10n, It should be associated with the browse icon on the desktop if you install this one made for Lucid. ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-lucid/Opera-11.52-Lucid.pet


It must work with the system update, I'll see what happens. I didn't use Opera until you let me know of the L528 002 update because I thought the tray icon of Opera was causing the loss of sound (later it happened with SeaMonkey too so it's clear it isn't browser-related), and it disappeared after a couple of sessions (same as Retrovol). I'm using an SFS of 11.52 right now and works well, but the sound is missing again. If I weren't using an Opera SFS instead of a PET, it'd have disappeared too, leaving just the icon and showing message 'can't load Opera (no such file or directory)' when I click on it. I noticed that most of the time sound is missing when output device is missing, for example I'm not using my headphones right now, but last time there were PC speakers here and it happened the same, so it can be anything. On the positive side, this has taught me the value of files backup and Opera Link, and the joy of playing with other Puppy versions Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2011, 12:51    Post subject:  

Instant Update 002 and USB Installs

It appears that Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8 may cause a problem with sound disappearing in some USB installs. Therefore if you install to a USB drive or flash disk, or if you save files on a USB drive or flash disk, it is recommended that you do one of these three things: 1) do not install Instant Update 002; 21) use the Instant Update 002a -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Instant_Update-Lucid528-002a.pet 3) use Three-Headed Dog. For a USB install with all of the latest updates, you might wish to try Three-Headed Dog which is based on Lucid 5.2.8 but with the newer 2.6.37.6 kernel from Slacko. Three-Headed Dog is not an update of Lucid 5.2.8 so you would need to start from scratch. -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736 If you are already using Instant Update 002 with no problems, then do nothing.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2011, 17:33    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:
It appears that Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8 may cause a problem with sound disappearing in some USB installs.


I have this problem with or without Instant Update. I had this problem also on Lucid 5.11. I've just realized that I have this problem since I chose .3fs over .2fs and copy the main lupu.sfs file on my USB drive, so chances are it's actually file corruption, as a user said. I'm doing a last test with a .2fs savefile and without copying the main lupu.sfs to my flash drive. I also set Puppy to not save session unless requested.

If it can be considered an important fact, when I'm the last one to use the computer I remove the CD and power-off the pc, so that next time my brothers and sisters turn it on they find Windows, which they prefer. I wonder how can this affect the saving of a session to the flash drive.

playdayz wrote:
you might wish to try Three-Headed Dog which is based on Lucid 5.2.8 but with the newer 2.6.37.6 kernel from Slacko.


Please note that I depend on third-people's broadband to download files heavier than 10MB (my connection is GPRS, downloading a 100MB ISO from home can take a whole week and tire my phone's battery). I managed to download 3HD today, but I'll begin to test it tomorrow--in here, shops close on Sundays, so I'll have to buy the CD tomorrow. Then I'll be able to test it as I do my activities.

As for Slacko 5.3, it seems to confirm my theory of .3fs+lupu.sfs@USB vs. .2fs+lupu.sfs@CD, no sound lost. I had other issues, however, so at the moment it's not my choice.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Nov 2011, 01:39    Post subject:  

In the end Puppy became mute because I copied the main SFS (lupu_5xx.sfs) file to my flash drive along with my save-file so that I can boot faster. That seems to be the answer.
It's been a week now, and by loading the main SFS file from the CD rather than from my flash drive I haven't experienced sound loss or user-installed package loss anymore. keep on reading >>

playdayz,

I noticed that many things I set up in Lucid 5.28 are default in 3HD. It's awesome Very Happy

Thank you guys for your help Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jan 2012, 06:58    Post subject: Re: Lucid 5.28 STILL becomes mute
Subject description: SUDDENLY NO SOUND!
 

ferro10n wrote:
I had formerly written...

Videos become mute, by trying to play songs on Pmusic I get the 'Sound device not ready' error message (see screenshot).

Yes, after one or two songs pmusic used to do that to me on Wary 5.2.1 but mplayer always worked when pmusic refused to. So I just gave up using pmusic and always played music using mplayer.

I wasn't using a flash drive for anything, though, just a desktop booting off the CD.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan 2012, 01:14    Post subject: Re: Lucid 5.28 STILL becomes mute
Subject description: SUDDENLY NO SOUND!
 

Shep wrote:
ferro10n wrote:
I had formerly written...

Videos become mute, by trying to play songs on Pmusic I get the 'Sound device not ready' error message (see screenshot).

Yes, after one or two songs pmusic used to do that to me on Wary 5.2.1 but mplayer always worked when pmusic refused to. So I just gave up using pmusic and always played music using mplayer.

I wasn't using a flash drive for anything, though, just a desktop booting off the CD.


You can try DeaDBeeF music player. You may want to report the bug in the Pmusic thread, too.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jun 2012, 08:37    Post subject: Lucid 5.28 STILL becomes mute  

Hi guys
I had this for no reason sound stop working. after much searching the only fix was to do a fresh install, and then to copy my save file over. And so this is very important always BACK UP your save file or on a pen/usb drive or if your like me on windows which reminds me
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