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01micko

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 04:16 Post_subject:
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Hi Lob
I have noticed shortcomings in Seamonkey too. Heaven or Hell forbid, maybe Sage is right!
For this series we will stick with it, but I intend a decent upgrade in the New Year, possibly with Opera as the default browser. I have always liked Opera. I have stuck with Seamonkey because I like it too. However it is getting too closely tied to Firefox, which I have never liked. As a matter of fact, ttuuxx posted a link referring to Firefox's movement to the dark side.
Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera, I think it can be made smaller than Seamonkey too. It does have proprietary ties but I will draw attention to pa_mcmlamrock's signature... | Quote: | It's stupid to use inferior software for ideological reasons.
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mavrothal

Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 1062
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 05:05 Post_subject:
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| 01micko wrote: | | For this series we will stick with it, but I intend a decent upgrade in the New Year, possibly with Opera as the default browser. I have always liked Opera. I have stuck with Seamonkey because I like it too. |
I think webkit-based browsers (Chrome and other metals, Midori, Safari) are better these days because webkit looks like a better engine.
The only problem I see is that no one else besides Google makes a version that is not i686. So older hardware is eliminated.
A Midori 0.4+ (i486/i586) looks an very appealing alternative if possible...
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emil
Joined: 10 Nov 2009 Posts: 547 Location: Austria
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 06:01 Post_subject:
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I like opera very much, especially the mailing engine is very nice (I have a small business with different office-locations and I have to use Imap accounts to stay in sync everywhere). I especially like the "thread"-view of the mails.
For me opera is superior to seamonkey as browser and mail client, but there is no composer module. How many people need that?
kind regards
emil
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Ray MK

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 681 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 06:55 Post_subject:
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Hi all
Browser? - always a personal choice - however for me
1) Opera 2) QtWeb 3) Seamonkey 4) Dillo
very rarely use firefox - too greedy with resouces.
(especially with ram challenged kit)
Usually run an SFS loaded with JRB's excellent sfs_tcz linker
or expand a tgz into a folder and then execute it from there.
One of the many benefits is that your save_file is kept free of cr*p
and any of the browsers in folders on the hdd are readily / easily
available to your Puppy of choice.
Just my 0002 cents worth - HTH - regards Ray
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wuxiandianzi

Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 134 Location: china
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 09:29 Post_subject:
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Hi 01micko:
Thank you very much for this pup distro.
I have one problem: when I load devx_XXX.sfs file. Gcc works good, But I have find a "bug", maybe it is not.
# gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.5.2/specs
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.5.2/lto-wrapper
Target: i486-slackware-linux
Configured with: ../gcc-4.5.2/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/man --infodir=/usr/info --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc,lto --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --enable-lto --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.5.2 (GCC)
#
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This: --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages
python2.6 is in /usr/lib/ not /lib/
So I think it will wrong when comoile gcc-version in spup.
I do not know why, When I go to slackware linux, I find the same problem.
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DaveS

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3695 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 11:52 Post_subject:
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| 01micko wrote: |
Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera | [/quote]
Mick... dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. Browsers are not just for surfing porn sites
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01micko

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 17:10 Post_subject:
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Mick... dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. Browsers are not just for surfing porn sites  |
Just did, printed the forum index page nicely
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01micko

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 17:17 Post_subject:
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Thanks to rcrsn51 we now have guvcview, webcam app
guvcview-1.5.0-s.pet
It requires portaudio, jack, v4l-utils.. all found if you enable the Salix repo in PPM
It also requires an older libavutil and libavcodec which are packaged here and wont interfere with the current ffmpeg libs.
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01micko

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 17:26 Post_subject:
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wuxiandianzi
Consider this:
Target: i486-slackware-linux
Configured with: ../gcc-4.5.2/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/man --infodir=/usr/info --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc,lto --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --with-python-dir=/lib/python2.6/site-packages --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --enable-lto --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.5.2 (GCC)
Usually, when another dir location is specified as an argument of configure it is under $prefix It isn't obvious there but if you got the source (available from Slackware repos) and ran ./configure --help I bet that would totally satisfy your curiosity.
By the way, python is tested as working.
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sc0ttman

Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2199 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 17:43 Post_subject:
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| 01micko wrote: | Over the coming months I am going to rigorously test and abuse Opera, I think it can be made smaller than Seamonkey too. It does have proprietary ties but I will draw attention to pa_mcmlamrock's signature... | Quote: | It's stupid to use inferior software for ideological reasons.
--Linus Torvalds |
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Good to hear Opera is being considered..
It's really good, I didn't want to admit it, but there's no denying it..
For what it's worth (not much I'm sure) I have found that Puppy Linux in particular (new and old) seems to render page slowly in Firefox more and more often - particularly AJAX, JS and even high quality images laden pages..
Not to mention that different JS frameworks (jQuery, mooTools, Dojo, etc) have widely varying performance results across the various browsers - with FF not doing great with many of them (jQuery is a good all-rounder) in comparison to Opera and Chrome...
Seamonkey is about the same as FF for me, their rendering engine is clearly lagging behind webkit and some others.. A lot of sites seem to load much smoother and faster in Chrome, or my personal favourite over the last 6 months, Opera.
(Not including elinks and links, which I love!)
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DaveS

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3695 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 18:04 Post_subject:
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If anyone wants to play with the latest Opera (11.51) I uploaded an sfs here http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/DaveS/opera/
Tested on Slacko/Wary/Racy
ps: am aware menu icon is missing
username puppy
password linux
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rcrsn51

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7833 Location: Stratford, Ontario
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 18:13 Post_subject:
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| DaveS wrote: | | dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. |
This issue came up a while ago. IIRC, the solution was to take Opera out of fit-to-page mode. Perhaps some of the Opera-lovers can test this.
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jim3630

Joined: 13 Feb 2011 Posts: 792 Location: Northern Nevada
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Posted: Sat 29 Oct 2011, 20:58 Post_subject:
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Is there any other advantage of PAE? Should I go over to that to see if it works as before?
Thanks guys.  |
Lobster, trying to determine the same but unlike you cann't get enough apps going to lock up either.
on 2d simple paper view pae version is + 10% from the get go.
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DaveS

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3695 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun 30 Oct 2011, 02:36 Post_subject:
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| rcrsn51 wrote: | | DaveS wrote: | | dont forget to try printing from Opera. Last time I tried (last winter) to print a boarding pass I got a page of junk, and had to revert to Firefox to do the job. |
This issue came up a while ago. IIRC, the solution was to take Opera out of fit-to-page mode. Perhaps some of the Opera-lovers can test this. |
Thanks. Will give this a try.
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Sylvander
Joined: 15 Dec 2008 Posts: 2884 Location: West Lothian, Scotland, UK
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Posted: Sun 30 Oct 2011, 04:35 Post_subject:
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@ 01micko
Re this post.
1. Installed:
guvcview-1.5.0-s.pet
libavxxx-5250.pet
Enabled Slackware-13.37-salix repo in PPM, and found and installed:
portaudio-v19
jack-1.9.6 [2 entries shown in PPM]
Couldn't find "v4l" or "v4l-utils" [is that an ell after v4?]
2. guvcview is shown in "Menu->Multimedia" but won't run when that is clicked.
When I enter guvcview in a terminal window, I get an error as follows:
"guvcview: error while loading shared libraries: libv412.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory"
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