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528 install runs very slow in old laptop with 256 MB RAM
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nico_greco

Joined: 17 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:05    Post subject:  528 install runs very slow in old laptop with 256 MB RAM  

Hello everybody!

My name is Nico and I am a newbie in the linux world... My regular laptop died which was running on xp and now I am stuck with an old one that was saved in a closet for ages..(i will give description of the stonehedge laptop below).

The problem is that this laptop is reeealy old..it used to be running (if u can say that) on xp too like my other machine.. but it was tooooo damn slow...Ii manged to install Puppy Linux on hard disk..! i did that because i was hoping for much better performance than runnning the live CD..

I was really hoping for that..but unfortunately it looks even slower than stupid xp.. is that possible?????

Browsing with Firefox is toooooo slow...multi tabs are almost impossible! 4 is the limit and id you go further you have to wait until you are 50 years old to see response.
Youtube is out of the question..facebook takes 1-2 mins to load.
And also..and equally important videos on my hdd are out of synd..audio with video..and framerate is almost like a slideshow..no kidding...
Even just writing feels slow write now!!!!!

Do u have any idea what i am doing wrong?? or what i should do??
Is something wrong with the drivers???
P.S. everything works(sound video etc) but everything is toooooo slow!

Below are my laptop's specs!

Puppy version 528 installed on HDD

Processor : Celeron (Coppermine)
Vendor : Intel
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 128kb
Frequency : 1094.35MHz
BogoMIPS : 2188.70
Byte Order : Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug : no
HLT Bug : no
F00F Bug : no
Coma Bug : no
Has FPU : yes

Memory RAM : 247MB

-OpenGL-
Vendor : S3 Graphics Inc.
Renderer : Mesa DRI Twister 20061110 x86/MMX/SSE

Audio Adapter : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev50
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:12    Post subject: Re: 1st Timer linux&puppy user need help.. :/
Subject description: my system does not seem to work properly..
 

i think i should NOT post this here...sorry for that..but i cannot find how to delete it now.. :/
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:16    Post subject:  

You REALLY need a Linux swap partition...at least 256 MB:
http://puppylinux.org/main/Manual-English.htm#Manual04
Which version of Puppy Linux are you using?

With 1.1G, video shouldn't be a problem.
I think the lack of swap is killing it.

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i think i should NOT post this here...sorry for that..but i cannot find how to delete it now.. :/

PM Flash and ask him to move it to the beginner's section.

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pacer106

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:22    Post subject:  

There are a few threads that address versions of puppy for older hardware/computers.

Here is 1. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72583

Depending on the processor speed watching videos is probably out of the question. I would suggest Classic Pup which can be found here:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553

You can also do a little searching around with wellminded puppy search: http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html

Hope you find something to work Smile
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:29    Post subject:  

He has 1.1G, though.
Usually the cut-off point for decent video is around 600-700MHz.

That box should be able to run Wary, no problem.
(This one's a 350MHz--probably 2-3 years older than his--and runs both Wary 5.1.1 alternate .isos just fine.)
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:54    Post subject:  

Dewbie wrote:
You REALLY need a Linux swap partition...at least 256 MB:
http://puppylinux.org/main/Manual-English.htm#Manual04
Which version of Puppy Linux are you using?

With 1.1G, video shouldn't be a problem.
I think the lack of swap is killing it.

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i think i should NOT post this here...sorry for that..but i cannot find how to delete it now.. :/

PM Flash and ask him to move it to the beginner's section.


Wow!!! that is the fastest response i have got in forums ever! thank you guys!!!!
I tried what u suggest..to create swap partition..but for some reason gparted stop with error... ( i DO unmount my drive before using Gparted)

GParted 0.8.0

Libparted 2.3
Shrink /dev/sda1 from 18.63 GiB to 18.33 GiB 00:00:01 ( ERROR )

calibrate /dev/sda1 00:00:01 ( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sda1
start: 2048
end: 39069695
size: 39067648 (18.63 GiB)
check file system on /dev/sda1 for errors and (if possible) fix them 00:00:00 ( ERROR )

e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1

/dev/sda1 is mounted.
e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.


Also..i will pm Flash for moving post soon!
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:55    Post subject:  

pacer106 wrote:
There are a few threads that address versions of puppy for older hardware/computers.

Here is 1. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72583

Depending on the processor speed watching videos is probably out of the question. I would suggest Classic Pup which can be found here:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553

You can also do a little searching around with wellminded puppy search: http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html

Hope you find something to work Smile


I will try what you suggest if nothing else works.. I will persist on this version of puppy for a while! Smile
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:04    Post subject:  

Sorry I forgot to mention this, but you have to boot to puppy pfix=ram mode (safe mode) before using GParted.
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:20    Post subject:  

Dewbie wrote:
Sorry I forgot to mention this, but you have to boot to puppy pfix=ram mode (safe mode) before using GParted.


I pm-ed flash and told him the mess i caused... :/ sorry about that once more..

Could u please tell me how i do that..?? puppy pfic=ram (safe mode)
I just boot from the cd again right??
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:27    Post subject:  

Yes, just boot from CD.
You should be given a list of options.
Choose puppy pfix=ram.
(quickly; you only have 5 seconds)

If you need to resize swap partition, go here.
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:05    Post subject:  

Well.. I did as you guys suggested..created a swap partition...but nothing is changed..still..slow as death..
Am i supposed to do something else after creating the swap partition??
Also..any other suggestions other than..trying older puppy versions..
Ps. im running lucid 528 right now..
Thanx
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:16    Post subject:  

Wary and Classic Pup 2.14x are not older versions.
They are current, but built for older computers.
Give them a try:

Wary
(Wary 5.1.1 has an alternate .iso folder; kernel 2.6.30.5 runs well with lots of older hardware.)

Classic Pup 2.14x

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muggins

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:30    Post subject:  

If you open a console, (Menu>Utility>Urxvt), and enter the command free it will show you the amount of ram you have &, hopefully, also your swap.
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nico_greco

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:00    Post subject:  

muggins wrote:
If you open a console, (Menu>Utility>Urxvt), and enter the command free it will show you the amount of ram you have &, hopefully, also your swap.


There is definetly something weird happening with my laptop... in htop pocess manager when i open firefox and browse only 1 tab..it says im using 99% and 100% of my cpu...ram usage looks normal..almost 80/256 used...and swap it always says 0/256 used...

So i downloaded sea monkey..made it default.. and exactly the same thing hapened...

I tried what u suggested...and here is what it says..
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
rootfs 19G 8.0G 9.3G 47% /
/dev/root 19G 8.0G 9.3G 47% /
shmfs 59M 0 59M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1 19G 8.0G 9.3G 47% /mnt/sda1
sh-4.1#

shmfs must be swap partition..but looks different in size...weird..in gpartedand htop it s 256mb
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Oct 2011, 09:59    Post subject:  

Theoretically, nico's box has enough horsepower to run Lucid.
But there are always exceptions.

For example, this old 350MHz PII should run Classic Pup 2.14x, no problem.

But it does the same thing that Lucid does with nico's box...redlines the CPU (as soon as I go online) and binds things up really bad.

Wary 5.1.1, and Puppy Linux 4.3.1 and 4.1.2 are all easy on my processor.
With them, everything's nice and quick.

It's time to experiment with some of the above suggestions, nico.
And make sure you keep that swap, because eventually you're gonna need it. Smile
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