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starhawk

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 02:21    Post_subject:  

So far it doesn't seem to work... something about that NeoMagic card that Xorg really, really, really doesn't like... also can't seem to auto-detect the screen's maximum resolution. Not sure if that's just old tech or what.

Starting to wonder if this thing doesn't have either a damaged motherboard or cooling problem. Seems to like to shut off with a steadily blinking CPU light... has me a little worried. Then again... if it dies outright, I'll just put it in the local eWaste bin, not worth the money it would cost to get repair parts... assuming that they're even available.

I'm gonna let this thing cool down a bit and try again. I know for a fact that the NeoMagic driver won't work (and I can't seem to "blackbox" it into functioning), and the vesa driver refuses to work as well... so I'm going to see if it works just fine with the default Xorg driver (whatever that is).

FWIW... TurboPup turns the LCD off (when it should be displaying a desktop, mind you!) with the default Xorg driver, and xvesa makes for a very seasick looking desktop (it's bright flaming green!). Can't seem to find an option to use a driver with TurboPup, even... oh well, there's a separate thread for that.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 02:39    Post_subject:  

Well... the default driver *does* work ... if you wait long enough for it to render Wink

No offense Igu but I think I'll stick to trying to get TurboPup working...

EDIT: we're talking 10+ min, from pressing the power button to what could potentially be called useability. The screen is almost entirely black until the "move your mouse here" box disappears, then it (slowly) loads the dock, and then it (more slowly) loads the background. There's still a black box around the dock that I'm guessing is the vid card attempting (and failing) to load a transparency effect. It's a rather Pyrrhic victory at best.

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Béèm


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 05:40    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
5) Béèm: copy /initrd/pup_ro2/root/.config/tint2rc to ~/.config. Openbox can be restarted with "--restart". Regarding screenshots - you've got "rbpaint -s" and scrot.

hmm, copying the tint2rc was my first thought but:
Code:
# pwd
/initrd/pup_ro2/root/.config
# ls -l
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 31 2010-10-09 19:11 rox.sourceforge.net
#
strange I don't have it.

I don't have rbpaint, rgbpaint is there. Wink
But scrot is working.

I think I have to verify the download and eventually re-install.
I edited the tint rc file to have hide de-activated and rebooted, but all of a sudden the tray hides and doesn't come back.

Will post back.

EDIT
I verified the checksum --- it was ok.
Nevertheless I erased the installation and started again.

I first looked at the bootmanager issue.
This is the error message

EDIT1 - SFS loading
I installed sfs load on the fly.
At least I can load my needed sfs files, as the bootmanager doesn't work.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2011, 09:58    Post_subject:  

Hmmm. So bochs.sh generates leafpad.desktop...
Meh.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 07:03    Post_subject:  

As Guy Dog is quite snappy, I activated, through a sfs, enlightenment e17.
Now I enjoy my favorite desktop environment, but more snappy.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 12:51    Post_subject:  

Dougal: use this one, it's fresh from today. The Bochs build script (which was removed but somehow sneaked into my upload) is just an experiment - I saw its size and thought it could be a nice security enhancement for Puppy (i.e for sandboxing).
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 14:17    Post_subject: internet configuration not persistent  

internet configuration not persistent
Between boots the internet configuration isn't persistent and has to be redone. (SNS)

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 14:31    Post_subject:  

That's an upstream bug; same goes for the loopback interface issue. I'm still not sure what causes this.

Just do this:
Code:
ifconfig lo up


To work around the lo issue.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 15:20    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
That's an upstream bug; same goes for the loopback interface issue. I'm still not sure what causes this.

Just do this:
Code:
ifconfig lo up


To work around the lo issue.
Thank you.
I created a script and did put it in Startup.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 21:30    Post_subject: no session saving?  

Hi, thanks alot Iguleder for the fabulous Guy Dog. Works like a charm on my aspire one A150 Very Happy

How do I save my session? Tried manual save by typing pup2save from rxvt and there was some notification saying "request to save current session is queued." But nothing happened after that..
Also, osmo is not working, started in rxvt and theres "bus error" message. Is it just me?
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2011, 22:56    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
That's an upstream bug; same goes for the loopback interface issue. I'm still not sure what causes this.
Just do this:
Code:
ifconfig lo up

To work around the lo issue.

That would explain why the CUPS web interface doesn't work.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov 2011, 12:57    Post_subject:  

Good news! Smile

I converted even more of Guy Dog into fresh PET packages. The new packages include GParted, a complete audio stack (ALSA and all audio libraries, which the multimedia applications depend on) and more core packages (e.g module-init-tools, Tar and gzip).

Most of the packages are smaller than the old ones, even in the case of PET packages.

They bring the percentage of Debian packages closer to 50%: 150 packages (while there are 132 PET packages). This doesn't mean much; for example: we used Barry's old, static GParted package - the new one (which is the latest version) isn't static and pulls in 4 packages (and yes, it's smaller), because they were not compiled statically into the package.

Here's the full list of stuff built inside Guy Dog:

Code:
fehbg
tint2
wbar
gtk-theme-switch
gtk-engines
vanilla-dmz
obconf
e16-themes
galculator
gnumeric
homebank
emelfm2
findwild
gdmap
osmo
fpm2
sylpheed
pidgin
transmission
firefox
flashblock
yad
advancecomp
optipng
squashfs-tools4
gtkdialog
dbus
dbus-glib
file
dhcpcd
bash
xauth
libevent
dejavu-fonts-ttf
font-bh-ttf
fontconfig
freefont-ttf
freetype
liberation-fonts-ttf
LinLibertineTTF
ttf-bitstream-vera
ttf-droid
ubuntu-font-family
goffice
libgsf
wv
SDL_image
SDL_mixer
SDL_net
SDL
SDL_sound
SDL_ttf
enchant
hunspell
openbox
windowmaker-crm
e16
librsvg
imlib2
giblib
unionfs_utils
udev
align
mingetty
scale2x
unclutter
xdelta
numlockx
mirdir
mktemp
Xdialog
xlockmore
installwatch
scanpci
bcrypt
rp-pppoe
ppp
nenscript
mut2
waitmax
coreutils
modem-stats
ifplugd
setvol
guess_fs
dmidecode
elspci
hotplug2stdout
cddetect
ms-sys
sys-freedos
bbc_provided
makebootfat
ddcprobe
cups-pdf
shared-mime-info
sed
disktype
hicolor-icon-theme
time
read-edid
eject
grep
wget
setserial
findutils
bc
ethtool
gawk
tar
diffutils
patch
strace
flex
wireless_tools
iptables
debianutils
cpio
module-init-tools
rfkill
psmisc
sysfsutils
ntfs-3g_ntfsprogs
alsa-lib
alsa-utils
libogg
libvorbis
flac
libmad
libsndfile
libsamplerate
parted
libtheora
libsigc++
glibmm
gtkmm
cairomm
pangomm
gzip
leafpad
geany
catdoc
zathura
nano
abiword
dia
e16-docs
dosbox
chocolate-doom
scummvm
volumeicon
mplayer
deadbeef
mhwaveedit
aumix
freepats
TiMidity++
tcpdump
dropbear
pptp
gpptp
gadmin-samba
samba
network_tray
putty
gftp
freememapplet_tray
lxtask
powerapplet_tray
gparted
wmclock
wmsystemtray
e16keyedit
epplets
xvkbd
xpad
rxvt-unicode
xarchiver
ghasher
parcellite
grun
feh
scrot
gphoto2
rgbpaint
gcolor2
xsane


I'll build all those in the upcoming weeks, as there are more packages that need to be converted.

Once we have everything ready, I'll return to my 64-bit work.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2011, 13:43    Post_subject:  

I have a suggestion to use pcmanfm and hal for mounting drives or hotpupx using wbar vertical bar like in Boxpup.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov 2011, 05:25    Post_subject:  

first user experience:

> I love the size, and I love the openbox-with-the-taskbar-on-top with the animation of minimizing windows!
> X works great here, just had to change my sound-preference-alsa-channel to speaker
> I love deadbeef loading up my entire music collection

x: the touchpad/mouse sensitivity is way too low by default
x: there's grun, but no win+r or alt-f2 to actually get at it
> once I edited the ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml and added it, the whole pmount+pupkill+urxvt (grun!) is fantastic
x: you can't just restart X from the menu
x: mplayer goes fullscreen - but leaves the actual video the same puny size in a fullscreen black window

I'm glad I've read these 14 pages - I've changed the wallpaper, (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xaQOVk4rE6c/TrNZHqiTJ4I/AAAAAAAAAHo/yRBxMKtsjSI/s1600/World_Map3.jpg ,and I'm using the "fear" openbox theme at box-look.org, http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Fear?content=68540

> are "all these debian packages" going to work with this release? (I've been thinking about the fact that slapt-get is tonnes smaller than apt-get, and might just compile that soon, having looked at pussy-linux and g:micro(goblinx) and the whole "debian/slack/arch/ packages are cool because they've 'already' been made" scenario)

> iguleder: you need to fix the mplayer fullscreen issue, and I prefer rox-filer (even though this emelFM2 is auto-completing directories like mad - idunno) > I could actually use this thing as-it-is-now if only for the fullscreen video not working fine>
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov 2011, 05:49    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:

Here's the full list of stuff built inside Guy Dog:

You may want to include rsync that is neither in the main not the devx sfs.

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