(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

nooby wrote:...and one that is a forked Android that
can make use of Android apps. Would google allow that?
Most likely not?

actually that is pretty much the status quo... Bsd license and such... Thus the fragmentation criticisms... But puppy can do better than that anyways, we have our own fragmentation for a reason.

Guys . . . updates

So desperate to get their hands on it collector geeks are offering £2500 for the first Rpi (as of writing)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/raspberry_pi/ ... ksid=p3686

Mass availability is expected Feb 2012 (not long now . . .)

I love the server cluster ideas.

Personally I have two projects. A Raspberry Pi powered shrine
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 557#167557
and a portable time and dimensional communicator
. . . and I will be using Puppy for both.

I am also keen on the educational potential and am working on learning pharo
http://www.pharo-project.org/home
and developing a version of ASQ for under fives
http://tmxxine.com/web/asq3/

Since I am considering a mobo upgrade, I revisited the cluster VS multicore processor issue and have decided to get a motherboard that is a bit older. Perhaps quad core at the most. The reason for this is from what I can determine, there are really not huge gains in multIcore or distributed processing unless you are using applications designed to take advantage of this functionality. It would seem that the old rule of adding as much RAM as you can might still be more effective.

linuxbear wrote:Since I am considering a mobo upgrade, I revisited the cluster VS multicore processor issue and have decided to get a motherboard that is a bit older. Perhaps quad core at the most. The reason for this is from what I can determine, there are really not huge gains in multIcore or distributed processing unless you are using applications designed to take advantage of this functionality. It would seem that the old rule of adding as much RAM as you can might still be more effective.

im wanting to learn cluster things for the sake of learning something ive always wanted to know about. I wonder if mixed cpu architectures cluster, ie x86 and ARM will work?

10x rasp. @ $25ea = $250.

yeah ill spend a 3rd of my 2 weekly pension on a 10 system cluster for the giggles.

sickgut wrote:
im wanting to learn cluster things for the sake of learning something ive always wanted to know about. I wonder if mixed cpu architectures cluster, ie x86 and ARM will work?

10x rasp. @ $25ea = $250.

yeah ill spend a 3rd of my 2 weekly pension on a 10 system cluster for the giggles.

I'm thinking that the '86 mix is probably feasible. Off the top of my head, I would think that you would need a master unit to tie in and control all the nodes (raspberry cards) This controller as master in a master/slave configuration would probably be more efficient as a stand-alone computer because it might be better for the controlling PC to have more RAM and CPU power than the raspberry pi nodes which are the actual cluster. Not to mention, that at least one part of the system should have a hard drive and CD-ROM.
I am also sorely tempted by the 250 for 10 cost. The nice thing about these little jewels is that they can be stacked in a small space. If I succumb to my impulses, I would most likely start with two 'pis and build from there, adding a node as my budget plan allows.

Auction over for Beta number seven. It will
be donated to a museum. Nearly one thousand pounds.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/503#comments

Manufacturing has begun
First boards for sale Jan 2012
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509

Some exciting Puppy projects to support RPi:

Hardware
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

Puppy School - for big kids everywhere
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchool

. . . so excited I nearly dropped my sardine . . .

A guy has a video of lxde working on Raspi.
I think he's Russian. Why is there so much interest
in Russia??


http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/genera ... -into-lxde

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Why is there so much interest in Russia?

The first Linux I seriously tried to move to as my main OS was the Debian fork known as Knoppix. Hidden in there was a demo done by Russian guys who were using hercules display cards and monitors (which could not do graphics) to do graphics, using ascii text.
Only a geek would appreciate it - and I did.
http://youtu.be/-cs303ToBY8

The scene is set

Sadly my first post with a link to PARM etc was deleted and moved as Puppy is not yet running on RPI
Anyway I created the thread despite it being attributed to Liz
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projec ... eral/puppy
. . . it now sounds as if Puppy is being described as brilliant (which is an understatement)

Yes we were promised alpha boards. They did not materialize.
Remember we are using Rpi for Puppy's convenience (a common starting point for developers and testers) not to promote what is the first of small cheap computers using ARM (major push this year for cheaper smartphones). Those computers (ARM powered phones), netbooks and tablets exist but we have no common platform, accessibility etc.

Puppy ARM coming in 2012
Join the adventure

Quote from their FAQ

What Linux distros will be supported at launch?
Debian, Fedora and ArchLinux will be supported from the start.

Can I trust that Debian is most close to Puppy?
I mean we still have no Fedora puppy nor any Arch Puppy?

But as I get it they say they sell the SD card with Debian
preloaded.

But in the forum they say one can do such loading oneself
to a SD card one already own.

Another thing to consider. A powered hub would allow
that one use external hdd and keyboard and mouse.

But if the RPi draw 1 Watt that is about 3Volt and 330 mA
and if you add the power for all the other gadgets.

I mean I am not used to buy Hubs Which one will be the best or among the best to use?

Intel atom is coming to phones so it will be a race. The mountain coming to puppy or puppy going to the mountain. On current form my bet is on the mountain winning:)) link http://www.nationmultimedia.com/technol ... 73734.html while you are there also see the new hybrid seagate ssd-harddrive story.

Very interesting, and since the Intel Atom processor (Z2460 platform)
is X86 based, no or very little need for porting to ARM.

Like aarf said, the race is on, ARM vs X86.
My money is on Intel.

ooooh I feel so lazy

the Intel Atom processor (Z2460 platform)

Does that one draw only one watt too?
The very cool thing about RPi is that one don't need any fan!
It will be dead silent!

They don't say any watt here do they?
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing ... m--1053718
maybe here? http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits ... rZ2460.pdf

@nooby

I'm sure that since the new Intel CPU is aimed at portable devices such as
phones, there will be no fan.
Already it's bigger cousin the Intel Atom D410 aimed at notebooks is fanless.
It's also used on small form factor desktop motherboards such as the D410PT.
They run at 1.6GHz and are fanless.

As regards power consumption:
From ( http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012 ... unced.html )

The charts at AnandTech indicate that Atom Z2460 is faster than 5
other devices previously tested when running Sunspsider Javascript
Benchmark 0.9.1 or BrowserMark.
3D benchmark tests showed that the 400 MHz GPU clock gives a higher
score than other comparable devices. Power consumption in standby and
when browsing is lower than Apple iPhone 4S and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Idling, power consumption is claimed to be as low as 18 mW, increasing
to 700mW when talking and 1W when browsing. 720p video playback
uses around 850mW.

Dave then Intel have a winner? I mean so much code that
already know how to get things going on the x86 or what
the name is.

But still it is a good thing to have choice so we should
encourage that Puppy can run ARM devices if needed.

I feel very much for buying a Raspberry Pi when I have a
chance to do it.

Now I only need to find which USB Hub that would give me
best performance for my money.

nooby wrote:

Now I only need to find which USB Hub that would give me
best performance for my money.

I assume you referring to using it for the mouse and keyboard.
If so, then any one would do as both of these devices are low speed USB.

I feel very much for buying a Raspberry Pi when I have a
chance to do it.

So will I, simply because it serves a good cause and it's novelty value.

@ Lobster
WOW Knoppix was the first live Linux cd I tryed I was also really impressed with BB and the ascii graphics

Rpi inspired me to start Puppy School
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchoolProgramming
but my real project will be to create the second Cross Dimensional Communicator using Quantum tunneling
http://tmxxine.tumblr.com/quantumbiology

Good Luck for all Future Projects

I rather like the 3D rotating Rpi logo - see their home page
we have Blender and POV Ray and a few others
. . . we need something like this for our Art dept (just started as part of PuppySchool) credibility . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchoolArt

Problems with displaying Opengl.

A programmer has been trying to get Opengl to
work on the raspi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JOh3k5_ ... ature=plcp

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he should do tinygl first - it works on pretty much anything