Puppy 4.31 as wireless gateway

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#31 Post by tempestuous »

sindi wrote:Puppy 1, at least when booted from live CD, insists on making pup100 256MB in hda1 - can it do that in NTFS?
Oops, I just remembered - no!
Puppy1's NTFS-write function was not good enough at that stage to reliably create a savefile on an NTFS filesystem ...
... however, there's a clever workaround -
copy a pre-made savefile into place, then Puppy1 can safely re-write this file each time it needs to.
Pre-made savefiles for Puppy1 are available here -
http://dotpups.de/files/pup001-different-sizes/

Having said this, I personally dislike the idea of doing a frugal installation onto NTFS.
My preference would be to use a third-party partitioning tool under Windows XP to shrink the existing partition, then create an ext3 partition plus Linux-swap partition for Puppy.
sindi wrote:Do I need wpa_supplicant if I assign IP addresses manually?
Yes. The IP address is assigned after wpa_supplicant has negotiated a wifi connection.
sindi wrote:Can I just type the WPA2 key into some file?
Yes, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
- read the instructions -
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Wifi/wireless ... README.txt

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puppy 1 dual-booted with XP or arch linux

#32 Post by sindi »

I ran live CD Puppy 1.07 on another computer (with Smart Boot Manager to permit boot from CD) and it automatically creates a pup100
about 256MB which I can transfer to another computer via LAN or with a PCMCIA USB card (PS/2 powered). I would just need to change
resolution (assuming Xvesa works) or run xorgwizard, and set up sound with a line in rc.local (OSS sound - insmod module irq=.....)
I have been moving puppy 4 save files between computers like this.

What utility can XP use to shrink itself while running and make an ext2 partition to use for linux (and ideally also a FAT32 partition
for DOS that lets me play with loadlin)? If I put the hard drive in another computer would gparted or PQMagic safely shrink NTFS?
I normally stay away from anything with NTFS on it. Or replace XP with MicroXP but that does not usually work with wifi.

I could format my 128MB USB flash drive to FAT32 and learn to make a pup100 save file for use on NTFS hard drive, or get a larger
flash drive and run puppy from that. .

Or:

Another option is to dual-boot puppy on the 2007-Arch-Linux netbook.

Today the netbook got the the neighbors' signal quite strongly during extremely wet weather (6" wet snow plus sleet plus rain) -
38% instead of as little as 15%. It has no iptables. pacman was too old to find a repository automatically. I downloaded
iptables package and pacman -U was supposed to install it but kept looking for a repository instead. Every thing I do on that
computer except email requires typing sudo first. I don't want to mess up our only internet connection at that address by replacing
arch (which loses its sound and needs frequent reboots to get it back) with puppy for eeepc on the SSD (20GB) but could boot puppy
from USB flash drive or SD card reader (built-into the netbook as hdc1). I assume a 2007 netbook will boot from anything USB
(floppy, CD, SD card) though a 2002 laptop would not.

I have a 64MB SD card which should hold onebone 2.10 (29MB), or barebones 1.04 (40MB) or 2.01 (47MB). The save file can go on the
20GB ext2 SSD drive to hold any missing pieces such as wifi drivers and iptables and sound modules. Which would work best?

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#33 Post by tempestuous »

sindi wrote:What utility can XP use to shrink itself while running
...
If I put the hard drive in another computer would gparted or PQMagic safely shrink NTFS?
Yes, PowerQuest Partition Magic is the best-known, and well-regarded. It can be done from within a running XP installation.
GParted ... yes ... it can be used - there are some notes here
http://gparted.org/faq.php#faq-7
But I would be nervous about using GParted. It doesn't appear to be 100% reliable.

The safest and best way to achieve a multi-partition scheme is to do a fresh install of Windows XP. Yes, it's extra effort, but probably worthwhile.
During the early stage of setup, you have the option to re-partition and re-format the hard drive with NTFS. The default option is to use the entire drive space for a single partition - choose NO, then define a smaller size.
Once XP is fully installed, you will have unallocated/unpartitioned space at the end of your drive. Now use GParted to create 2 new partitions in the unallocated space, and format them as ext3 and Linux-swap.

sindi wrote:I could format my 128MB USB flash drive to FAT32 and learn to make a pup100 save file for use on NTFS hard drive, or get a larger flash drive and run puppy from that..
Yes, having your pupsave file on a FAT32 USB stick is a good idea, but I think you're making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.
A "pre-made" pupsave file is only necessary for NTFS. It's not necessary for FAT32. Just boot your Puppy-frugal install from NTFS, then when shutting down for the first time, select the USB drive to save to. Your pup100 file is freshly created onto a FAT32 filesystem.

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Can't easily reinstall XP to get ext2 partition

#34 Post by sindi »

The 'obvious' solution is to redo XP but:

The computer cannot boot from CD-ROM (unless I buy a proprietary CD-ROM drive).
One solution is to put the drive in another computer, make a FAT32 partition
with DOS, use DOS to copy Win98 files to FAT32 partition.

Replace the drive in C400, boot to DOS, use DOS to install Win98 (setup.exe).
Buy a Win98 > XP upgrade CD and install it using Win98 with USB CD-ROM drive
(having with great good luck found a driver for your drive).

Therefore I don't want to mess up XP on this computer. MicroXP may install
but wireless has only worked on one laptop (orinoco). Orinoco does not do
WPA2. There is half a chance I could get XP to do network bridge.
I would prefer to add puppy linux instead.

Puppy 1 will try to make a 256MB pup100 on hda1 unless I give it one I have.
Puppy 2 should save to a flash drive. I have a 128MB drive that would hold
a small puppy (up to 64MB) plus 64MB save file.

Possible small puppies:

pUPnGO (4.12 based) 6MB - would need to add a lot
Onebone 2.10 (29MB)
Barebones 1.04 (39MB), 2.01 (47MB?), 4.12
FatFree 2.17 (53MB), 3.01 (64MB), 4.21 (50MB).
bbnobrowser 4.21 - no browser or wordprocessor

These are all newer than the 2002 C400.
1 and 2 I think are older than the 2007 netbook.

Will DOS PQM run in XP DOS box?

I could install MicroXP to something else and experiment on it first.

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#35 Post by mikeb »

I have done the trick of half installing windows and copying the files...the point where install files are added to the hard drive and a temporary boot is made. Done it with 2000 but not sure if XP does that.

Nowadays I clone a usbootable XP ..so its copy and add ntlldr and boot.ini (can boot that from grub)

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Installing XP half-way; booting Puppy 1

#36 Post by sindi »

mikeb wrote:I have done the trick of half installing windows and copying the files...the point where install files
are added to the hard drive and a temporary boot is made. Done it with 2000 but not sure if XP does that.

Nowadays I clone a usbootable XP ..so its copy and add ntlldr and boot.ini (can boot that from grub)

mike
I don't want to ever install full XP again to anything even if it can be done, but thanks for the idea. Is 'usbootable'
XP installed to USB flash drive?

The challenge is to use what I already have:
WPA2 free signal, eeePC 901 netbook, DELL C400 laptop, crossover cable, 16 and 64MB SD cards (or 128MB flash drive).
(And numerous other laptops as tools).

I will try first to boot puppy 1.07 from SD card in the netbook.

So far it boots in the Omnibook from live CD not HD (loadlin or lilo) even with wakepup 1.1C boot floppy.
I had files in hda3 (ext2) /puppy107 - could not find init (or maybe it was kernel). Same for c:\pup107.

autoexec.bat shows that linld looks for files only in root (main) directory of fat32 partitions, which is where it puts
pup001 save file by default (though you can choose during boot to use one in the main directory of another partition
such as NTFS or ext2). Maybe I can leave usr_cram.fs and pup001 in hda3?

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#37 Post by mikeb »

Maybe I can leave usr_cram.fs and pup001 in hda3?
have some puppy 1's here and pretty sure they would find and run the system file from wherever they are found...the difference is how it layers compared to version 2.

I just mentioned usboot and the other since you mentioned problem with getting windows installed. Usboot does indeed boot standard windows installed to a usb memory stick... it also helps make it portable by the way it alters driver handling so easy to clone.

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puppy 1 boots with wakepup

#38 Post by sindi »

mikeb wrote:Maybe I can leave usr_cram.fs and pup001 in hda3?
have some puppy 1's here and pretty sure they would find and run the system file from wherever they are found...the difference is how it layers compared to version 2.

Wakepup 1.1C needs vmlinuz and image.gz in fat32 (NOT in subdirectory).
Typing 3 or 4 during boot lets me specify location and name of pup001.
usr_cram.fs must be with pup001. Can I specify with linld (loadlin) where
to look for the larger files (pmedia, pdev) or must I do it mid-boot?

I have pupxide in both c: and hda3. Not sure if I need both.

A FAT32 DOS 16GB SD card will hold the two small files, with the others on netbook hdb1.

I don't want to boot from floppy disk (even if wakepup does handle SD cards) because I use the USB
floppy drive for other things and it would be in the way attached to the netbook on windowsill.

When I try to boot with loadlin or linld from c: "less than 4MB of memory".

What is needed in autoexec.bat and config.sys to boot only to (SSD) "IDE hard drive" with enough
memory? Do I need files, buffers, and lastdrive in config.sys? I don't see himem.sys or .exe.

--------------------

I just mentioned usboot and the other since you mentioned problem with getting windows installed.
Usboot does indeed boot standard windows installed to a usb memory stick... it also helps make it
portable by the way it alters driver handling so easy to clone.

The C400 does not boot from USB (hard drive, floppy, cdrom), only from IDE or network or proprietary
floppy or cdrom. If it booted from USB CD or other USB device I could install XP from them. I will
leave XP on there and learn grub4dos or try turbopup.exe.

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Puppy 1 boot problems

#39 Post by sindi »

Other people have had the 4MB memory problem. So I tried with
different autoexec.bat and config.sys, in case those were a problem.

I booted with a standard Win9SE boot floppy.

loadlin vmlinuz initrd=image.gz ro root=/dev/ram0

It got further, to 'compressed image found at block 0,' then just sat
there. I could Ctrl-Alt-Del.

I then tried booting in a 233MHz (1998) Micro Transport Trek II with
four times the memory. Live CD boot, which worked in the Omnibook, got
only as far as 'RAMDISK: compressed image found at block 0'. I tried 4.
'ACPI, specify PUP001 location' and 5. 'first boot multisession' - the
latter gave me a kernel panic instead (had to pull the plug). I then
booted with loadlin as on the Omnibook with identical results.

Users of Slackware, Redhat, Debian, Floppix (Polish),and Trinity Rescue
report the same problem. One person had loadlin working on a 133MHz and
not working on a 233MHz. Maybe I just picked the two worst computers
for this test.

I may try Puppy 4.1.2 (pulp) loadlin boot on SD card instead.

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Can't boot SD card in USB card reader

#40 Post by sindi »

16MB SD card in Eye-Fi USB card reader. Looked at it with Gparted and set it bootable.
Attempted to access it with DOS but my drivers did not work (UHCI instead of OHCI?).
Used Win98 DOS box to sys it and copy linux boot files (kernel and initrd) to directories
puppy 4.1.2 (pulp), puppy 4.1.3 and two basiclinuxes (2 and 3) that run entirely in RAM.
About 3MB per OS, on 14MB of SD card. The puppy sfs and save files would go onto a hard drive.

The 1998 Trek that I set up the SD card on has USB but no USB boot devices.

I read that booting from USB flash drives started after 2001.

The 2002 DELL C400 has no USB boot.

The 2003 DELL D600 boots from USB floppy and "USB Storage Device" but not from the USB card reader,
which is detected as 'Invalid System Disk'.

The 2004 Compaq boots from (USB?) floppy but not USB storage. It does have an SD card reader.

The 2008 ASUS eeePC 901 is said to boot from USB flash drive or SD card.

SBM does not support USB boot devices (it dates from 2000).

What year did USB flash drive booting become the norm?
Do some computers boot from flash drives but not SD cards (in card slots or readers)?

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Re: Can't boot SD card in USB card reader

#41 Post by sindi »

[quote="sindi"]16MB SD card in Eye-Fi USB card reader. Looked at it with Gparted and set it bootable.
Attempted to access it with DOS but my drivers did not work (UHCI instead of OHCI?).
Used Win98 DOS box to sys it ....... [/quote[

The SD card would not boot in a 2007 ACER with 'USB key' boot selected. Invalid system disk.
(And was ignored in the SD card slot).

I read that many computers which support USB flash drive boot do not boot from SD card.

I may need to add a MBR to make the card bootable (mbr.bin from syslinux)???
SD cards can go bad and lose their boot sectors (or MBRs). This is an old one.
Someone came up with a way to make eeePC boot from SD card using grub and a
hard drive boot. It uses an automated install program and I don't have space
to install all the files to SD card. I may try the 128MB flash drive next.

Along the way I found instructions for booting Puppy 1 and 2 with lilo.
sfs and save files cannot be in subdirectories and you need root=/dev/ram0.

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how to make usb flash drives or sd cards bootable

#42 Post by sindi »

USB flash drive and SD card both 'invalid system disks' in a 2007 ACER with boot from USB key.
Apparently they don't come with boot sectors. I read one way to add them was DOS fdisk /mbr.

Got some error about no partition on the SD card so copied files off it for reuse, tried to
partition/reformat with PQMagic 8 for DOS (which recognizes USB without needing to first boot
with a USB-supporting DOS boot disk), told Error #106 BAD. Used DOS fdisk to delete the partition
(14.1MB, C:, with D: being hard drive). PQM then made a partition and set it active.
From a:, fdisk recognized the active partition and sys c: worked. fdisk /mbr
(presumably acted on C:). command.com is visible on c:.

Now when I try to boot it stops at a flashing cursor on an otherwise blank screen.

DOS fdisk says this is FAT12 and PQM says FAT16.

I will try the method of using dd to copy the first 512 bytes of a bootable DOS floppy to
hard drive image file (mbr.img?) and thence to /dev/sda (or sdb if hd is sda).

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SD card with sda1 and mbr (?) via dd won't boot

#43 Post by sindi »

In ACER aspire 2007 booted CD Puppy 4.3.1, 2.6.30 kernel, plugged in usb floppy, not recognized.
Booted to Turbopup 4.2.1, both Xvesa and Xorg crashed.

In Trek from 1998 booted Puppy 4.3.1 retro, put boot floppy in drive and sd card in reader into USB port.
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/fdmbr.img bs=512 count=1
dd if=/tmp/fdmbr.img of=/dev/sda
Wrote 512 bytes

Rebooted in ACER - invalid system disk.

The SD card is now seen by puppy as sda1 (it had no partition before).

I cannot mount /dev/sda1 with basiclinux.
If I mount /dev/sda, ls sees files with ??? and other garbage in the names.
du - attempt to access beyond end of device.

I will restore the SD card to its FAT12 unpartitioned state (how?).
Maybe the newer ones (over 16MB) can do be made bootable but this one cannot.

I can put puppy on a 2008 small SONY with cracked screen and dead keyboard and no XP.

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How to boot Puppy from single NTFS partition

#44 Post by sindi »

I will restore the SD card to its FAT12 unpartitioned state


I can put puppy on a 2008 small SONY with cracked screen and dead
keyboard and no XP.
Reformatted in a WM2003 PocketPC with a free flash formatting app.


The SONY is now booting to Wary 5.5 with grub4dos. (Puppy 4 versions
did not work with the onboard ethernet or wifi). Automated install
after booting without SAVE file in the target partition.

I copied the wary 5.5 files to the C400 (via USB) and followed
instructions for grub4dos, edited my previous menu.lst, then when it did
not work read that grub4dos stopped supporting NTFS in 2007 due to
changes in XP. I removed the line I had added to boot.ini. Dual-boot
lilo also works (for me) only with FAT32.

How do I boot Puppy from an NTFS XP partition without first taking the
drive out and shrinking the partition (and risking destroying XP, which
would greatly upset my partner since this is one of two laptops which
properly displays our 1986 DOS CAD program).

I could maybe install MicroXP in another computer, FAT32, on another
hard drive.

Wireless gateway in XP is called 'ad-hoc connection'. Will try that.

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#45 Post by mikeb »

then when it did
not work read that grub4dos stopped supporting NTFS in 2007 due to
changes in XP.
news to me...I have grub4dos on ntfs made by XP SP3

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grub4dos in NTFS

#46 Post by sindi »

mikeb wrote:
then when it did
not work read that grub4dos stopped supporting NTFS in 2007 due to
changes in XP.
news to me...I have grub4dos on ntfs made by XP SP3

mike
I put grldr in c:\ and added a line to boot.ini c:\grlder="grub4dos"
and copied a modified menu.lst to c:\ (from another computer, with
directory names changed), and when I selected Grub4DOS in the menu
'missing help'. A search on that and grub4dos and XP informed me that grub4dos stopped supporting NTFS (compressed partition) in 2007 because of changes included in the service packs. So what did I do wrong?

I just failed at ad-hoc mode in XP. We can use the XP computer by itself on the windowsill while I try adding Puppy to the netbook with grub4dos (which I hope works in ext2). Would a different grub work better in NTFS? I have not used grub until today.

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#47 Post by mikeb »

compressed partition
ah sorry did not notice this.

Yes that probably makes a problem...it usually does.

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Grub4DOS and NTFS

#48 Post by sindi »

It was suggested that I repartition and make a FAT32 partition for GRUB.

PQMagic for DOS informs me it cannot be run under Windows.
I prefer not to remove the hard drive to another computer with floppy boot.

AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard (8MB download, free) shrank NTFS 30GB to 5GB NTFS in a DELL Inspiron 2200 that I had partitioned to NTFS and installed MicroXP to for experimenting on. MicroXP installs in 20 min without driver packs. DELL had the video and sound drivers and a choice of two wifi drivers. The 78MB (!!!!) iw2200 worked and wifi even works so I can simply move this drive to the C400 if all else fails, after replacing the 5GB NTFS with FAT32. AOMEI NTFS > FAT32 convertor does not work on system partition.

XP Disk Management (Run, diskmgmt.msc) will partition and format FAT32.
(They also mention HPFS - Mac - but not EXT).

Can I leave NTLDR in C: and put GRLDR and menu.lst in D: and add to
C:\boot.ini the line d:\grldr="Grub4DOS"?

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#49 Post by mikeb »

Can I leave NTLDR in C: and put GRLDR and menu.lst in D: and add to
C:\boot.ini the line d:\grldr="Grub4DOS"?
Sounds logical....otherwise you might need
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\grldr="Grub4DOS"

NTFS compression does not save much really....not something I am a fan of...could you do without it?

Nlited XP is pretty neat...I use that and usboot to make a tidy portable install thet works like full XP. Never used driver packs either..I just have the needed drivers to hand for post install.

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grub4dos to boot NTFS XP and Wary 5.5

#50 Post by sindi »

mikeb wrote:
Can I leave NTLDR in C: and put GRLDR and menu.lst in D: and add to
C:\boot.ini the line d:\grldr="Grub4DOS"?
Sounds logical....otherwise you might need
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\grldr="Grub4DOS"
mike
d: is cdrom, e: is sda2 FAT32

The last suggestion was not necessary. I experimented and did some reading:

MicroXP always loads normally, but when I choose Grub4Dos:.

grldr and menu.lst both in c: - 'missing help' (won't work with both files only in NTFS partition)

grldr and menu.lst both in e: - 'Windows could not start because...
hal.dll is missing or corrupt' ?????

I read that grldr must be in the same partition as windows and ntldr, and also that it will not boot things from NTFS, but the first 16 bytes (?) of it run from NTFS and look for other copies, so I tried:

grldr in c: AND in e:, menu.lst in d: - black screen, powers off. (It is a bit hard to follow since I need to hit Fn F8 in time to see on the external monitor - cracked LCD screen shows only 1" strip.)

Fixed the power-off by putting # in front of all lines in the section about booting Windows, because NTLDR takes care of that not GRLDR so maybe there was a conflict.

In a computer with FAT32 and DOS and no WIndows, this section booted it to DOS 7.1 (c:) (so I relabelled it 'DOS or Windows' on that computer) but there is no DOS on here.

I also commented out the rest except for wary, reboot and halt since I do not have GRUB2 and don't need commandline control.

# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.7.2
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0

# Frugal installed Puppy

title Puppy wary 5.5 (sda2/wary55)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /wary55/initrd.gz
kernel /wary55/vmlinuz psubdir=wary55 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
initrd /wary55/initrd.gz

title Puppy wary 5.5 (sda2/wary55) RAM mode noFB\nBoot up Puppy without pupsave
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /wary55/initrd.gz
kernel /wary55/vmlinuz psubdir=wary55 pmedia=atahd
pfix=ram,fsck
initrd /wary55/initrd.gz

#title Pup 412PULP 0.1 (sda9/pulp1)
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /pulp1/initrd.gz
# kernel /pulp1/vmlinuz psubdir=pulp1 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
# initrd /pulp1/initrd.gz

#title Pup 431 (sda1/pup42630)
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /pup42630/initrd.gz
# kernel /pup42630/vmlinuz psubdir=pup42630 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck
# initrd /pup42630/initrd.gz

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up

#title DOS or Windows\nBoot up Windows if installed
# errorcheck off
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
# chainloader /bootmgr
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
# chainloader /ntldr
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /io.sys
# chainloader /io.sys
# errorcheck on

# Boot from Partition Boot Sector

####title Puppy wary 5.5 (sda1:PBS)
#### uuid 52EF-BE95
#### chainloader +1

# additionals

#title Find Grub2\nBoot up grub2 if installed
# find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /boot/grub/core.img
# kernel /boot/grub/core.img

title Grub4Dos commandline\n(for experts only)
commandline

title Reboot computer
reboot

title Halt computer
halt


(Lines starting with pfix or 'without' should be part of preceding line - they auto wrapped here).
NTFS compression does not save much really....not something I am a fan of...could you do without it?
The DELL c400 was given to us this way 'working' (except for unusable keyboard and mouse stops working once in a while).

I don't know how to change compression. I prefer to shrink the NTFS and add FAT32 anyway. Wary can now copy its files from FAT32 to EXT2 partition and re-edit menu.lst to look there. (It was a real pain editing menu.lst with notepad - everything run together with little rectangles representing line feeds that needed deleting - I should have run dos2unix -d first).

On the C400 about 1/6 of the drive is MTF files in the middle - I hope AOMEI can handle squashing them into the first 5 or 10GB.

The 2005 DELL inspiron 2200 wireless bcm b43frugal is supported by kernels 2.6.24 and later (not puppy 4 retro).


Nlited XP is pretty neat...I use that and usboot to make a tidy portable install thet works like full XP. Never used driver packs either..I just have the needed drivers to hand for post install.
MicroXP is simpler, I think. It came without floppy driver, or FTP or telnet (I added putty and psftp) or WMP (SMplayer is better) or IE (Browzar works) or Outlook - all the virus magnets. Flash will not install normally (I got it on there somehow at a games site and can probably manuallly copy some dll). On most computers wifi does not work with it - a known bug. You need not and must not add antivirus (it deletes essential components) or do updates (not that they work any more). Booted in 20 sec. Uses about 50MB RAM. Can't tell since Ctrl-Alt-Del does not seem to work either. During install it wipes out Windows directory but keeps Programs and registers them. Might be useful for saving a wrecked XP without losing programs or personal files. 2008 version is newer than all our computers.

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