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veronicathecow · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 526

I have had a look through various lists of puppy derivatives but I am still unsure of what is the best course of action.
What I will be doing is spending a day at a local volunteer centre offering installations of Puppy onto peoples old PCs.

What I want to produce is my own ISO that has the following.
A limited range on programs (people can get very confused). I.E.Seamonkey, Abiword, Gnumeric, the usual stuff but none of the little extras that will be rarely used.

A look and feel of Windows XP (I know, but we have to ease them in)

The speed of Puppy by running in 256mb of RAM.

So if any one has any suggestions of a stripped down Puppy based on 5.28 or 5.25 that has X that I can easily add apps to and then do my own remastered ISO. I have wondered about Woof but that may be beyond my abilities. Any thoughts appreciated.

Ray MK · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 668 Location: UK

Hi

Gray's waryNOP-511 might be a good place to start.

Outstanding pup and runs very well even on ram challenged kit.

In 256mb ram and a 500mb swap partition it fly's.

From the moment you hit the power button to a fully populated desktop
is about 35sec's if you choose vesa.

HTH - very best regards - Ray

puppyluvr · Posted: Sat 01 Oct 2011, 18:35 Post subject:

Hello,
Take a look at Wary...
A basic Pup, designed for older hardware..
Should fit the bill quite well... Cool

kros54 · Posted: Sun 02 Oct 2011, 01:31 Post subject: XP-Puppy!!!

Try this: Xp puppy (author S-kami)
Download:
ftp://puppylinux.hu/puppylinux/ISO/XP-like_puppy_ENG.iso

aarf · Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 3620 Location: around the bend

old PCs >> wary.

veronicathecow · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 526

Hi everyone, thanks for ideas.
I have tried a few of these under virtual box.

XP Puppy looks great but still has to many extras (I am not sure you can easily remove these?)

NOP 5.11 did not seem to work properly under virtualbox

Bare bones Lucid 5.01 seems good, close to what I am after. Perhaps I can use the XP feel from the XP puppy?

Hondasid says that there might be a barebones 5.28 out soon which might be even better.

Wary 5.1.4 seems good but I would still want to remove lots of bits to keep it simple for the good folks in Doze land. I wonder if there will be a barebones wary?

kros54 · Posted: Sun 02 Oct 2011, 04:49 Post subject: openbox+Puppy=solution?

As I read your problem, another puplet also occurred to me: Justin Bieber Linux. The name is a joke, in reality it is a Lupu525+Openbox, based on Rexbang and Slimpup.
Simple, excellent hardware detection, low consumption of RAM. Make this a try as well.
True, this is nothing compared to XP, but there are mouse-button menus.
Download: http://biebian.sourceforge.net/

veronicathecow · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 526

Hi kros54, to my surprise this is quite close to what I want once I De-Bieber it a bit! Thanks for that.

Lobster · Posted: Sun 02 Oct 2011, 06:53 Post subject:

Lit is easy to adapt
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=490722&search_id=1237105261#490722

here is a couple of nooby links
tutorial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/computertutor/computertutorone/index.shtml
http://www.eldy.eu/

and here is for hardcore newbys
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115

Hope that helps

mikeslr

Hi veronicathecow,

Ending up with a Puppy which only has "just the applications you want," that will run on an "undisclosed" pc, and have the "look and feel" --or at least the familiarity of XP-- poses a host of problems, You can either start with a "full-blown" Puppy and strip out unwanted apps (adding those you want) and remaster, or you can start with a "bare-bones" puppy, add the apps you want (stripping out those you don't) and remaster.
Although it might help if you told us exactly what computer configuration you Puppy was to run on, as it appears it has minimum ram and CPU the obvious generic choice would be Wary. But an alternative would be a Pre-Series 5 Puppy.

The problem involves "stripping" unwanted apps. With the emergence of "woof" --series 5 Pups-- there's no easy way to do this. Unfortunately, the "minimal" Series 5 Pups are usually "experimental/proof of concept" which translates to "you may not be able to add the apps you want, or run it on your system."

So you may want to explore Barebones Lucid 5.01. Although based on a newer kernel, it was built the "old-fashioned way" and so includes "pet-Be-Gone." Pet-Be-Gone enables you to easily remove unwanted apps --Don't mess with system files unless you really know what you're doing. Running Pet-Be-Gone really doesn't instantly remove an app: it just hides it. But when you remaster, the "removed" app won't be included in your new ISO.
Barebones Lucid 5.01's thread starts here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64480. The author's iso link does not currently appear to be working, but working alternate links can be found later on the thread. [Disclaimer: I haven't run it, so I don't know which Lucid/Lupu apps may not run, nor whether it uses Series 3 or Series 4 SFSes].

If you're like me, then what you're really aiming at is not the removal of unwanted apps --they don't take up much disk space anyway
and don't use RAM unless opened-- but rather an easy way to find the apps you want on a menu. If that's the case, you may want to look
for any Series 5 Puppy into which icewm can be installed as your windows manager. With icewm, you can fairly easily create a
favorites menu. Instructions how to do so can be found here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=41923&sid=76458912f073fbf926025606cbf457a5

Edit: I decided to try Barebones 5.01. Here's what I found. It's a very nice, minimal Puplet. But I was mistaken. It doesn't include "Pet-Be-Gone," so there isn't any easy way to remove the included apps, which as its name implies, are few. [If I remember correctly, the technique for removing an included app is to install it anyway, then uninstall it and remaster. Hopefully, "it" doesn't also include libs needed by something else]. Barebones uses Series 4 SFSes, the same as used by Lucid pups. Many of the Lucid pets I tried both installed and worked. Gnome-player opened but didn't play files. I think codecs were lacking.I recommend using the VLC sfs as it includes it own codecs. Opera worked, but didn't run flash. I was able to hunt up how to install what was missing. I'll note it on the Barebones thread once I'm back on the computer I was testing Barebones on.

Happy hunting, & remastering.

mikesLr

veronicathecow · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 526

Hi Lobster, thanks for links.
Hi mikeslr, thanks for reply.
I want this to give the basic, Internet, office, Gimp, video, music playing that everyone expects. In total 99% of what I do is done with less than 20 programs. I want it to be able run on anything someone brings into the centre with 256mb or more of RAM (hence a full set of drivers) but not have the stuff that is rarely used for a beginner.
A 75 year old friend of mine did not want to use linux but I set up PCLinuxos with most of the stuff stripped out and about 4 icons on his desktop and he was delighted and is still preferring to boot to that rather than Windows 18 months later
I will also have another look at Barebones 5.01 and hope I can get to grips with altering the menus.
I have a feeling that what I need to do is learn more about Woof. I have set up a VM machine running 5.28 and run Woof but I don't end up with an ISO but with lots of directories and files. I think Barry is about to hatch a new version so will give that a try.
I wonder if someone might be kind enough to do a youtube tutorial on woof? There is easywoof but that is based on an earlier version but will look further into it.
Cheers
Tony

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stu90 · Posted: Wed 05 Oct 2011, 00:39 Post subject:

Not to discourage but building a lightweight pup either by manually stripping out applications or by using woof is pretty involved - you then of course run the risk of packages built on / for the full size version not working on your light weight version, so you have more work there checking for missing dependencies and re packaging etc.

Given that full size pups are not that large to begin with it is probably easier just to remove the .desktop files for the the applications you don't want in the menus.

Alternatively you could try sc0ttman's woofy re-mastering tool ( i used woofy to build Lucid Lite ) i would class woofy as a bridge between the standard puppy remaster tool and woof - you can do alot with woofy, from just a quick run through changing themes adding .pets .sfs etc to full manual edit.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57037

harii4 · Posted: Wed 05 Oct 2011, 01:31 Post subject:

with TXZ_pup (an slackware pup) you don't need pet-be-gone.

veronicathecow · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 526

Hi stu90, thanks, i think you are probably right. It was not so much the size but the look and that I can achieve by removing/changing icons and menu entries. I was also trying to get one size fits all ISO when perhaps I need an older and version of puppy and a series 5 for newer machines that get brought to the centre.
I gave woofy a quick go, but I think I need to revisit it.

Hi harii4, thanks for idea re TXZ_pup. I have tried to run it in Virtualbox but it gives an error when trying to open the hard drive (ext3) something about unsupported optional features (240). Ah, it may be ext4, will reformat virtual box disk and retry.