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DaveS


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 02:59    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
Has anyone attempted to build a Puppy like Tiny/SliTaz with web-based apps selection?


Web based apps seem to need high speed connections and seem resource heavy to me. Maybe its just the connection speed making them seem slow, but Google Docs Spreadsheet is dog slow compared to locally installed Gnumeric. Same for writer v Abiword.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 03:18    Post subject:  

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Web based apps seem to need high speed connections and seem resource heavy to me.

Does that depend on how they are packaged? The .pet s I use are speedy. The advantage of web basing is that apps can be added piecemeal - ideal for DUN users. In use, FULL installs relate 'speed' to HW, of course, rather than compression, memory, etc. Notwithstanding, HD access becomes limiting. I do not believe that 'speed' has been an issue for decades in many cases of domestic users. Most folks can't/don't think that quick. Mobiles are popular despite their one-finger typing, 600-1200Ghz cpu, wi-fi, etc. so there is always a subtle balance between real/perceived speed and functionality. For mobiles, physical size matters!
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 03:37    Post subject:  

Testing VLC .Stripe wrote:
Quote:
Just finished a standalone vlc-1.1.11 pet for slackware, (all deps and language packs included) works on both B5 and B5++ (mozilla plugin disabled) (compiled in 4.9.X.7)
please download and test to see if it is OK
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwWD08HgAd2yZTkxNjk4YjctMGVkMS00MDdkLTkzMzctZjllNmRlZTJmN2Q3&hl=en_GB

It's good (language FR)
audio, video streaming,recording, playlist are OK...
And sound slider (taskbar) is... OK Very Happy
Thanks

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chrismt


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 03:38    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:


I have my new (old) lappy.. an IBM r51, centrino, radeon-mobility, 512RAM, works well but PAE is unsupported by the CPU. I left XP on it, defragged (now that's something I haven't done for years Laughing ) and split it up into an ntfs, 19G, ext3, 18G, and 1G swap. Already run grub4dos and did a frugal with universal-installer, worked fine. That gives me room to woof when I head yonder.



I have noticed that my XP is faster I dunno why
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 04:12    Post subject:  

Good work, guys Smile

I'm running Woof at the moment - I'm building my first B5 clone. Once it's ready, a big bunch of packages will pour out of it Very Happy

This is the plan:
Quote:
./fonts/fontconfig.sh
./fonts/liberation-fonts-ttf.sh
./fonts/dejavu-fonts-ttf.sh
./fonts/freefont-ttf.sh
./fonts/font-bh-ttf.sh
./fonts/LinLibertineTTF.sh
./fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera.sh
./fonts/ubuntu-font-family.sh
./fonts/ttf-droid.sh
./fonts/freetype.sh
./wmaker/wmsystemtray.sh
./wmaker/windowmaker-crm.sh
./wmaker/wmclock.sh
./e16/e16.sh
./e16/imlib2.sh
./e16/e16keyedit.sh
./e16/epplets.sh
./e16/e16-docs.sh
./e16/e16-themes.sh
./openbox/openbox.sh
./openbox/minipager.sh
./openbox/lal.sh
./openbox/docker.sh
./graphics/feh.sh
./graphics/giblib.sh
./graphics/scrot.sh
./office/gnumeric.sh
./office/goffice.sh
./office/libgsf.sh
./office/wv.sh
./office/abiword.sh
./office/librsvg.sh
./core/yad.sh
./core/advancecomp.sh
./core/optipng.sh
./core/squashfs-tools4.sh
./core/gtkdialog.sh
./core/dbus.sh
./core/dbus-glib.sh
./core/file.sh
./core/dhcpcd.sh
./core/bash.sh
./base/xsane.sh
./base/lxtask.sh
./base/mplayer.sh
./base/firefox.sh
./base/leafpad.sh
./base/emelfm2.sh
./base/rxvt-unicode.sh
./base/xarchiver.sh
./base/mhwaveedit.sh
./base/transmission.sh
./base/trayfreq.sh
./base/galculator.sh
./base/seamonkey.sh
./base/gftp.sh
./base/aumix.sh
./base/gtk-theme-switch.sh
./base/rgbpaint.sh
./base/ghasher.sh
./base/deadbeef.sh
./base/sylpheed.sh
./base/zathura.sh
./base/osmo.sh
./sdl/SDL_image.sh
./sdl/SDL_mixer.sh
./sdl/SDL_sound.sh
./sdl/SDL_ttf.sh
./sdl/SDL_net.sh
./sdl/SDL.sh
./fun/dosbox.sh
./fun/chocolate-doom.sh
./fun/scummvm.sh
./fun/openttd.sh
./midi/TiMidity++.sh
./midi/freepats.sh
./artwork/gtk-engines.sh
./artwork/gtk-xfce-engine.sh
./artwork/vanilla-dmz.sh


As you can see, all these are build scripts I wrote. There's a tool that builds those packages on another Puppy without having to install it first, so it's much easier. Smile

I not sure if I'll have the time to upload all these, but if I do - it's the biggest pile of packages I ever upload at once Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 04:50    Post subject:  

. . . Intermission . . .

Iguleder wrote:
Good work, guys Smile
. . .
This is the plan: . . .
. . .
./fun/chocolate-doom.sh


Igu I was hoping that chocolate-doom
was related to 'death by chocolate' cake
http://chocolatecoveredss.com/2011/08/30/death-by-chocolate/
rather than:
http://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#What_is_Chocolate_Doom.3F

Hope all goes well with Dpup 'Next' - could well be the basis of Puppy 6
Do try Puppy Phone on Next - new version should be out soon from the indefatigable team of James Bond and Smokey . . .

. . . and now back to the Slacko . . .

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 05:05    Post subject:  

Hi All

I am waiting for 5.3 rc and i am bloody bursting how long please i just gotta know. Twisted Evil

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 06:21    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
For FULL installers, the smaller file would reach more/more easily DUN users.

How so?...
I would think that for "full installers" size is the least important thing.
Sage wrote:
ipso facto, forgive the question, perhaps a much smaller .iso could be provided for FULL installers? Has anyone attempted to build a Puppy like Tiny/SliTaz with web-based apps selection?

This issue has surfaced before several times.
The question is how Puppy would be different than these distros.

A bare-bones system with with kernel, firmware, Xvesa, connectivity, hardware initial support, window and file manager and basic linux utilities is 40-50MB and puppy can easily build an iso like that.
But then unless you know what you are doing, you are lost as a user.

In puppy things are even worse since PPM is rudimentary and pets are all over the place.
Tinycore and Slitaz have iron clad tool chance and carefully compiled and audited extensions and repos, assured to work with their cores. I do not even want to think of a person that will try to manage this for puppy.
But more important I do not see how this would be better than Tinycore, Slitaz or the current Puppies.

Puppy offers a fairly complete user experience at 110-130 MB and if you tailor it for specific hardware easily goes under 100 with everything included!

What would be really nice I think, is a script/programm that will automatically remaster the iso, getting rid of the extra video drivers, firmware, kernel modules videolibs etc and get a 20-30MB smaller iso for YOUR machine.
As an example, current puppies moded for the OLPC XO laptop are down to 90-100MB, by just removing some of these fit-to-all-hardware components from the sfs.
Then you can do any kind of installation you want with this...

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 06:32    Post subject:  

Icyos wrote:
Hi All

I am waiting for 5.3 rc and i am bloody bursting how long please i just gotta know. Twisted Evil


How long is a piece of string?

Sorry couldn't resist!

Soon.. very soon..

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 06:36    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Icyos wrote:
Hi All

I am waiting for 5.3 rc and i am bloody bursting how long please i just gotta know. Twisted Evil


How long is a piece of string?

Sorry couldn't resist!

Soon.. very soon..


Slaps Micko with a wet fish, now back to work slacker.......giggles.......get it......never mind thanks for reply hugs you all.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 09:29    Post subject:  

mavrothal
Who are you? where are you?
Obviously you have an axe to grind about the OLPC, but you seem to have misunderstood just about everything else that I said about Puppy and it's users. Your conflation is at best inappropriate. Stop and think a little longer about users - the ultimate targets. Load up John's 50Mb MeanPup and you might begin to understand. Think about the legions of DUN users and how they are constrained. Think about landfill and it's avoidance. One gets weary of the 4-core, 4Gb, PAE brigade who are in the wrong Forum.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 10:53    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
Tinycore and Slitaz have iron clad tool chance and carefully compiled and audited extensions and repos, assured to work with their cores. .

This was originally the promise of Tinycore, but their endless tinkering with the project has tarnished its reputation.

Witness the three-month adventure to install a printer here.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 11:28    Post subject:  

without a position to defend just attack the other person. do take it somewhere else.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 11:39    Post subject:  

Hi Mick,
thanks for the ... string
Quote:
How long is a piece of string?
Sorry couldn't resist!

... neither do I ...! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct 2011, 12:05    Post subject: scilab sfs
Subject description: numerical science and math package
 



I briefly tested Q5sys scilab package (forum thread here) and it seems to work fine. (It also works in lupu 511 and in LHP).
Maybe this could be added to the repo.

DOWNLOAD AT (128 MB):
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/MathSoftware/Puppy5-slacko/
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