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puppynoob101

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011, 19:10    Post subject:  devx crashes Puppy  
Hello,

I am trying to get the ability to compile stuff so I can make my own packages for Puppy, but I cannot get lupu_dex_528.sfs to work.

First of all, I cannot download it from QuickPet (SfsGet section) because it says that the remote file was not found.

Secondly, when I download it from where it actually is online (Quickpet has a bad link), it crashes my Puppy when I try to boot with it, giving me a message like "Setting up layered file system... failed", then it posts some lines from the kernel log that I can't understand, and after that it pauses for 60 seconds, tries to finish booting, and gets a kernel panic.

I am using Puppy 5.2.8 on a Dell Optiplex 780 machine, off of a flash drive. Can anyone explain what might cause Puppy to crash when I try to boot with lupu_devx_528.sfs? Neutral

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 20:21    Post subject:  
Welcome puppynoob101, which bootloader did you choose?
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 20:27    Post subject:  
Semme wrote:
which bootloader did you choose?


I believe that I am using SYSLINUX, but when I installed it said "We will make ... bootable with Extlinux". So, I'm kind of confused about that. Confused


EDIT: Or maybe it was ISOLINUX? How can I check? When I boot, it passes by too fast for me to see it. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 20:34    Post subject:  
Essentially syslinux. What happens after the panic.. cold drop? Is this with the latest lupu_devx_528-3.sfs pkg?

What if you "load on the fly" instead of at boot- the same?
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 20:58    Post subject:  
Semme wrote:
What happens after the panic.. cold drop? Is this with the latest lupu_devx_528-3.sfs pkg?

What if you "load on the fly" instead of at boot- the same?


After the panic, it just stops and does nothing (until I shut down the computer).

Yes, this is the latest package (lupu_devx_528-3.sfs).

As for trying load-on-the-fly, I have yet to try that. If I do that, I should be able to just use the commands from the devx package (i.e., make, make install, etc.), right?

EDIT: I tried it now (reboot, 8:30 PM, Central Time). It mounted it just fine, but when I tried the command "make", it said "command not found". I don't have it stored in /mnt/home, though, it's in /root/my-documents/, would that still work?
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EDIT 2: I did the wrong thing last time (mounting by clicking on package). This time I actually used Load-on-the-Fly (after installing v.1.2 of it), but it told me it's experimental with PUPMODE=7 (my PUPMODE=7).

I clicked OK, and then it gave me an error message (see attached screenshot).

Also, I don't know if the package for the new version of Load-on-the-Fly updated the menu item (this is only a theory, by the way), so it's possible that it still ran the old version.

Finally, about the screenshot (below): I remember now that the error messages on bootup with devx being loaded on boot said something about pup_ro4 being overlapped. What does this mean and does this help me at all to solve my problem?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 07:39    Post subject:  
Since I'm no Pup expert, bring me up to speed. You help me, I'll try'n help you sort this.

PUPMODE=7 sets your usb to operate how? I'll welcome a response from anyone..
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 07:52    Post subject:  
There are a number of considerations in this issue.

1. How much RAM?

2. FLASH media is SLOW

3. Do you have swap? (either a swap file or a swap partition)

4. Are you sure all the checksums were correct on download?

I have successfully loaded devx on a lowly eee-701SD and compiled small stuff on a usb install.

In some way I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 11:26    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
There are a number of considerations in this issue.

1. How much RAM?

2. FLASH media is SLOW

3. Do you have swap? (either a swap file or a swap partition)

4. Are you sure all the checksums were correct on download?


1. Will check soon... (at school now)
2. It doesn't seem so slow to me... Confused
3. I do not have a swap file or partition. However, I don't think this has anything to do with the errors I got when I booted Puppy with devx.

4. I do not know how to check the checksums... How do I do that and where do I find it?

@Semme: I am not sure what PUPMODE=7 means... Confused

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 14:40    Post subject:  
puppynoob101- I thought you were trying to tell me that your pupmode was set to 7.

I'm guessing your /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE file lists it at 13?

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If checking md5's under Linux it's: md5sum [file]... or rt-clk'n hash.

If Windows, there are several freewares to choose from.

*Check both your install iso and devx file.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 16:41    Post subject:  
Semme wrote:
puppynoob101- I thought you were trying to tell me that your pupmode was set to 7.

I'm guessing your /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE file lists it at 13?

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If checking md5's under Linux it's: md5sum [file]... or rt-clk'n hash.

If Windows, there are several freewares to choose from.

*Check both your install iso and devx file.


Yes, my PUPMODE=7; I was not confused about that, I was confused about what PUPMODE=7 means.

I will soon try to check the checksums.
EDIT: It doesn't say the checksum for lupu_devx_528-3.sfs, only lupu_devx_528.sfs. Also, I don't have an ISO to check the checksum for.

EDIT 2: I tried SFS-Load again (this time without clicking on the file before doing the load-on-the-fly), and it gave a different fatal error (see attached screenshot).

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 17:13    Post subject:  
PM7 I haven't a clue. The devx checksum: 443eeff3df2d55c6b57aeb9c9f473fef lupu_devx_528-3.sfs

You formatted your usb ext2 or fat.. savefile format or all to usb? Amount of ram?

How is it you have a PUPMODE=7? Install details?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 17:14    Post subject:  
Please compile (and release for Puppy 5.3)
beta 5 is out but you need the beta 4 devx for now
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/NoobHelp

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 17:28    Post subject:  
Lobster wrote:
Please compile (and release for Puppy 5.3)
beta 5 is out but you need the beta 4 devx for now
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/NoobHelp


I do not see a download link for beta 4 devx, and what are you asking me to compile? I can't even compile anything without having devx.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Oct 2011, 17:46    Post subject:  
This thread has been inactive for a while now... Sad

@Semme:

I do not know how I have PUPMODE=7, since I don't know what it means.

I have 4GB RAM, flash drive formatted as ext2, and I set Puppy to save to the partition.

I didn't want to burn Puppy to a CD (no CD's available), so I installed from the Puppy 5.2.8 ISO running in VirtualBox.

EDIT: Now that I have read this link about PUPMODEs 6 & 7, it seems that they are modes with a frugal install, but no pupsave file. I don't know how I got this PUPMODE, maybe I did the installation wrong... I will back up files and reinstall soon.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Nov 2011, 05:09    Post subject: PUPMODE=7 problem  
puppynoob101 wrote:
Now that I have read this link about PUPMODEs 6 & 7, it seems that they are modes with a frugal install, but no pupsave file. I don't know how I got this PUPMODE, maybe I did the installation wrong... I will back up files and reinstall soon.

PUPMODE=7 causes much problem.
See the topic:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73091
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